WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2004-03-28

WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2004-03-28
12:02:51 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session. <WalterOS2> There isn't very much on the agenda today. <WalterOS2> Bill, are you logging? <Kris> There is always room for doctering at my Thinkpad :-) <wdl> Yes. <WalterOS2> OK, Kris. We can look at your problems under "Other Business" :-) <Kris> Thanks <WalterOS2> A. Old Business <WalterOS2> 1. Latest status on plugin <WalterOS2> Just in time, Doug. :-) <Doug> hi guys <WalterOS2> We were about begin the item: "Latest status on plugin" <g> <Doug> is that ME? <WalterOS2> Yep <Doug> ok - the site is currently running - I was just making sure of that <Doug> I am working on the part that ties database rows to a file on the hard drive <Doug> which isn't technically the plug-in, but we need to have that running. <Doug> DB2 has a feature that does this already - links external information to the database - but that feature was not released for OS/2 <WalterOS2> :-( <Doug> So I am building a set of "stuff" that does that. Basically - we want to be able to store information on the hard drive and make sure that it is "synced" to the database <Doug> For example: larger application files/drivers/utilites, etc. we want to store on the hard drive so that they are accessible via FTP <Doug> But we also want to reference them from the database and control them from the database. <Doug> So.... what I have been doing (for the last 2 weeks) is making UDF (user defined functions in DB2 speak) and "triggers" which together will do that. <Doug> While is it not rocket science, it has turned out to be a little more complicated than I thought. <Doug> So -- the upshot is - the site is running right now - we can look at it. I hope to have the database to disk file linkage running soon (meaning the next week or too) <WalterOS2> Is there anything in the site you want us to test or that you want to demonstrate? <WalterOS2> 'Course we go there just to look around. :-) <Doug> If you see something that doesn't work correctly, please let me know. There are a few bugs that I know about, but mostly what you see should work correctly. <WalterOS2> I put doing that under new Business, but we might as well do it now. <WalterOS2> Ken, is there anything you have to do to get us there? <KenKrchnr> No, just go to www2.warpdoctor.org <WalterOS2> I am there now. The "Create New User" works a lot better, anyway. <Doug> you can also change your user information from the JS version now. There is another tab in the settings notebook to do that <Doug> things like password, email address, etc. <WalterOS2> However, I just tried to switch to the "Plugin", and got a "Attempting to Run Program" error from the plugin. I clicked on the "Run..." button. and got a white screen. <WalterOS2> Running IBM browser v2.0.2 <Doug> oh - sorry. Anyone that has the plug-in installed from before the switch to www2.warpdoctor.org will need to get the latest version of the plug-in <Doug> That has to do with the security file and a bug related to that. The security file with the older version did not have the site www2.warpdoctor.org listed as an acceptable site. <WalterOS2> How long ago was the switch? <Doug> a month or two <WalterOS2> Mine might be older than that. Where can I download the new one? <Doug> I am uploading the very lastest as we speak - hang on a second <WalterOS2> very latest is alpha or gamma or beta? :-) <wdl> Doug: I tried to go to the plugin-getter place... <wdl> ...and got this: <wdl> The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request. <Doug> ftp://www2.warpdoctor.org/wdRexxin.wpi - should work <WalterOS2> There's a specific message for you. :-( <Doug> Bill -try now. You may have been trying to download while I was uploading. <Kris> Doug, this is the file, right? 288.373 0 a--- npwrpdoc.dll <Doug> You mean the DLL extracted from wdRexxIn.wpi? Yes that is the DLL that goes in the browser's plugins directory <Kris> Doug: yes, that's what I meant, it's right at it's place now. <Doug> But you really need to de-install the plug-in, and reinstall the new plug-in. The problem is a combination of the security file that is the warpdoctor folder, and the plug-in code in npwrpdoc.dll <Doug> Or you can just copy the file ... <WalterOS2> OK, now I'm in with the Plugin running. :-) <Doug> Nah - it would be better to de-install and re-install using the WarpIN interface. <Kris> How do I knw it's running? <Doug> If your browser has a Help - About Plug-ins menu option, you can use that to see the version. <Doug> The version should be 2.13 <WalterOS2> Click on the "Gear" icon. <Kris> Yes, that's it exactly <WalterOS2> Who's Coloron? :-) <Doug> You should be OK then. <Doug> Ken's company <WalterOS2> Ah! <KenKrchnr> I haven't seen the new site, where's Coloron mentioned? <Doug> bottom on the main page. <WalterOS2> Bottom of the Home page. <Doug> It is also now on the warpstock main page <KenKrchnr> Well, I appreciate the sentiment, but we don't need to do that. <WalterOS2> Doug, it might be better to say, "Hosted by" <Kris> Doug: I've clicked on the gear, what next? <Doug> select the plug-in radion button and press OK. That should switch you to plug-in mode. <Doug> Ken - sorry I don't have the coloron image hooked up to your site yet. <WalterOS2> Doug: Is there a folder that contains any data or examples we could look at? <Kris> Doug: what's the plug-in radio button? <Doug> Walter - ok hosted by instead of sponsored by <KenKrchnr> Hosted by VOICE is good. <WalterOS2> It's better understood. And "sponsored by" might be confused with VOICE's sponsoring program. <Doug> Kris - if you click on the gear icon you should get something that looks somewhat like an OS/2 notebook. The only page in that notebook should have three radion buttons that say <Doug> Non-javascript, Javascript, Plug-in. <Doug> I konw you have trouble getting that notebook to appear. (The supporting code for the notebook is about 70k so sometimes it takes awhile to download the first time) <Doug> If you have trouble with the notebook use www2.warpdoctor.org/settings_site.html <Doug> That is the html page that appears in the notebook. <WalterOS2> Doug: I noticed that the site responds quicker with the plugin than with JS. :-) <Doug> In many instances that is true. <Kris> What I am seeing is: nonjava*, javascript, plug-in apply <Doug> That is it. <Doug> Click the plug-in part, then the apply button. <Doug> That should cause the site to reload in your browser. The reloaded site should be in plug-in mode. <Kris> Done <Kris> How do I know it's in the plug-in mode? <Doug> The peformance has to do with how much has to be downloaded. With the plug-in the data that must be downloaded is often less than with pure HTML. <Doug> The left side - the folder list. If you see a folder highlighted, like an OS/2 container would do, that is the plug-in. <Doug> When in the JS mode, the folder titles are underlined - because they are actually HREF or links. <Doug> In the plug-in mode the folder list is actually an OS/2 container, so it looks very slightly different. <WalterOS2> I forgot to mention that Gord isn't absent because he doesn't care or anything. <Kris> Yes, looks like there is highlighting now. <WalterOS2> He had a major system meltdown, and is now reduced to email only for awhile. <Doug> You can also right-click with the mouse in the plug-in mode and get a pop-up menu from the plug-in site. In JS mode the pop-up menu is the standard browser thing <Doug> poor guy (Gord) <WalterOS2> Doug: The whole site is quite slick...and fast. <Kris> Doug, yes, it's working indeed. Quicker tha in JS mode for sure <WalterOS2> Good work! <Doug> Thanks - but my question is: did Ken turbo-charge the machine. It does seem really fast now. <KenKrchnr> Actually, I haven't touched that machine in several months :-) <Doug> wow - well it seemed to be on steroids this morning. <WalterOS2> Doug: Is there anyway Bill (and Gord when his system recovers) could enter their compatibility data? <Doug> Basically - the normal user shouldn't see much of a perfomance difference between the two modes. There are some things I can do to speed up the JS mode, but I am holding those for last <WalterOS2> It would give them something to do <g> and also give us something to look at. <WalterOS2> Doug: We've all noticed a performance difference. In what way are we not normal? :-) <Doug> If all my free time doesn't get sucked up this week by other stuff, I should have all the changes done to the database <Doug> by next weekend. If I am not done by then, we will just have Gord start anyway, and I will compensate. <Doug> The biggest difference is the time it takes for the initial screen/home page to show up. <Doug> I can help that by compressing the data stream used in the JS mode. <Doug> Going from page to page you shouldn't see much of a difference. <Doug> once you are in one mode or another. <WalterOS2> Doug: You haven't answered my earlier question? Is there any real data (non-empty folders) on the site now? <Doug> not much - let me look at sec and see if I can find any. (Most of my data input has been to build the help pages and screens.) <Doug> no - the stuff that is there you have seen before. <WalterOS2> That's OK, I was basically just wondering. :-) <Doug> One of the things I need to do is to setup "batch" input, so that Kris and others with REALLY BIG input can do it more or less automatically <Doug> (Kris has the redbook stuff, and Niel has the DDK stuff that needs to get in the database.) <WalterOS2> Sounds like a plan. <Kris> Doug: but it has been uploaded already, hasn't it? <Doug> The redbook stuff might be uploaded, I don't believe the DDK has been <Doug> I also need an easy way to handle data that is already on the server machine. You can drag and drop files now, but those files are on your local machine <Doug> We need a way to drag and drop files that already reside on the server, so that we can get the stuff already on VOICE3 into the database. <Doug> Walter - are you using xpager now, with the plug-in? <WalterOS2> Yes. <Doug> Good - so that problem is fixed for sure. <WalterOS2> Since the fixed, it works flawlessly both with the plugin and Homepage Publisher. <WalterOS2> <VBG> <Doug> Kudos to you for pushing the fix through. Thanks <WalterOS2> Well, I didn't do any of the work. We should be thanking Bart, which I've already done. <WalterOS2> Wouldn't for him to hear it again from someone else, though. <Doug> Thanks Bart, - and Ullrich <WalterOS2> Wouldn't hurt for him.... <Doug> I'll send him a thank-you email this week. <WalterOS2> :-) <WalterOS2> Anything else anyone wants to do on the site today or to comment about? <Doug> Does anyone know if lotus-cam works on OS/2? <Doug> or is available on OS/2? <Kris> What's Lotus cam? <wdl> Huh. Fitzing 'round --- still no joy. The installer didn't honor... <wdl> ...my environment for mozilla. But OK, ... <Doug> that is an application for making a "movie" - which consists of a sequence of screen shots. For making computer training stuff <wdl> ...I moved what it did install into the right place. <wdl> ... Now I see an updated plugin ---- >> BUT <wdl> ...l it's version 2.08. + HUH? <Doug> Did you download it this morning? <wdl> Doug: Who? Me? Download? <wdl> Doug: I downloaded the plugin minutes ago. <Doug> ok - sounds like the npwrpdoc.dll from the download minutes ago is not getting into the right directory. <Doug> How is you mozilla setup? Do you have a "plain" installation? <Kris> Doug: why don't you ask filesize and date first? <wdl> Doug: I did a global search, and found all the versions. <wdl> Doug: and put the newest where it belonged. <wdl> Doug: "plain" install -- No. That is, I've split mozilla to have <Kris> wdl: and have you closed and rsatrted mozilla? <Doug> should be 288,373 and a date of 3-28-2004 <wdl> ...profiles and plugings "elsewhere". <wdl> "Closed/restarted" Yes. And the plugin I had before this started was v.2.00 <wdl> ...Now it's 2.08 <Doug> Do you get it from www2.warpdoctor.org or www.warpdoctor.org? <Kris> wdl: and have you in you config something like: SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers ??? <wdl> the plugin used right now: npwrpdoc.dll 295491 10-15-03 6:29 <wdl> Plugin path is defined in config.sys <wdl> Doug: hang on, gotta restart mozilla... <Kris> wdl: looks like you'll have to copy manually the file <WalterOS2> wdl: You probably need to delete any memory-resident components of Mozilla and restart Mozilla. <WalterOS2> i.e. Mozturbo <wdl> Doug: I got it from ftp://www2.warpdoctor.org/ <wdl> Walter: yes I always shuy down mozturbo, etc etc etc. <wdl> Kris: I *did* copy the file manually <Kris> wdl: but you told the file is : npwrpdoc.dll 295491 10-15-03 6:29 <Doug> that is the wrong file. <Doug> Bill - run the WarpIn installer, and on the page with the packages, pick other browser. You can type in the path where the DLL should go on that screen. <Kris> wdl: you shouldhave copied the file 288,373 and a date of 3-28-2004 <wdl> Kris: ...searching... <KenKrchnr> Bill, which warpdoctor did you download from? :-) <Doug> Actually is is called Plug-in DLL for user Specified Browser <Doug> the wdRexxIn.wpi file should have a size of 641,077 <WalterOS2> Hello Vaughn <WalterOS2> Vaughn, we're testing the new WD site at www2.warpdoctor.org <WalterOS2> If you want to use the plugin, you need to dl it from ftp://www2.warpdoctor.org <Doug> ftp://www2.warpdoctor.org/wdRexxIn.wpi <WalterOS2> right <WalterOS2> Has everyone been able to access the site? <WalterOS2> Anyone not, maybe I should say. :-) <wdl> Nope. Still futzing. 'Ats OK - carry on... <WalterOS2> Kris: what about you? <Kris> Walter: yes, it's working now here. <WalterOS2> OK, let's move on to: <WalterOS2> B: New Business <WalterOS2> 1. What to do with VOICE1? <WalterOS2> To host here I need to upgrade my isp account to Business. <WalterOS2> This costs about $46/month more, and I can't handle all of that on my own. <WalterOS2> :-( <Doug> Is this a requirement of you internet service agreement? <WalterOS2> I've mentioned this on the admin mail list, but so far there has been no response. <WarpedOS2> hi walter <WalterOS2> Doug: basically yes. <WalterOS2> You can't put a server on a personal account, but you can on a business account. :-( <WalterOS2> Unfortunately, xDSL isn't available at my address. <WalterOS2> Not that I know it would be cheaper. <WarpedOS2> does the plugin work with Firefox? <Doug> is firefox the same as phoenix? <WalterOS2> Vaughn: we're dealing with VOICE1 now. :-) <Doug> Walter - that amount ends up being pretty steep. My take would be that for the $500/year or os that adds, it would be better just to use the backup machine at Ken's place. <WalterOS2> I agree: but it's a little more complicated that. <WarpedOS2> firefox is current version of phoenix <WalterOS2> Upgrading the Internet account alone is about $10/month. <WalterOS2> However my television service is bundled with that, which saves me around $30/year <WalterOS2> Unfortunately, there's no bundle availabe with business accounts. :-( <WalterOS2> That's why the number is so high. <WalterOS2> All I (and my family) have to do is stop watching TV. <g> <WalterOS2> Doug: I agree, but we still need to do something with the VOICE1 hardware. <WalterOS2> I don't really want to just leave it Holland's place. <Doug> Since Ken has the backup machine already - the only time really that the site would be routed to your machine is if the power goes down to both buildings, or if his internet pipe goes down. <WalterOS2> However, it would need to be backed up nightly. <Doug> Do you think you would have to pay for a business account when the machine would only be actively access once a year maybe - if that much? <WalterOS2> Backed up s/b updated. <Doug> If you are willing, I think you should still get the machine, even if it isn't hooked up. Although that seems a long way to drive. <WalterOS2> If you're asking me if I should put the server on my personal account, my wife and I don't feel comfortable with that. <Doug> OK <WalterOS2> Besides, if they caught me, they could cut off my connection. :-( <Doug> What is the "trip" from going from personal to business? Is a permanent IP address, or is it ANY web server must be on a business account? <WalterOS2> There is a guy who has a business in Windsor (across the river from Detroit) who is very pro-OS/2. His name escapes me, but he has tried to figure out a way to host WS a couple of times. <WalterOS2> I should contact him, and see if he would be willing. He certainly has the required business ISP account. <g> <WalterOS2> I think his name is Ed Strackon or something. <WalterOS2> Hosting WS didn't work out because Windsor doesn't have an international airport. <wdl> Kris: Thanks. Downloading now... <WalterOS2> We've finished with the regular agenda, so we can move on to: <WalterOS2> Other Business. <WalterOS2> If that's OK with everyone.(?) <wdl> Cool. I can stick it out anoth 1/2-hour. TTW... <WalterOS2> Doug: To answer your earlier question, the difference is the speed of the connection. <Doug> Is there no restriction about web servers? <WalterOS2> On a personal account, the maximum d/l speed is 128 kps. On the business account it's 3 megs/sec. <WalterOS2> Both use dynamic ips, however. <WalterOS2> With an DNS client, however, a dynamic IP is really no problem. <Doug> Ideally - the update traffic to keep the backup server in sync with the main server - shouldn't be that big of deal on a daily basis. <WalterOS2> Doug: I don't understand your last question. <Doug> There won't be that much updating that happens on any one day. <WalterOS2> It would probably just once a day at night. <WalterOS2> probably be <WalterOS2> So, Kris, what's your current TP problem? <Doug> Which means that normally I wouldn't think the speed difference is that big of deal. But there must be some contractual language in there to restrict having a server. <Kris> Hmm, well, for a starter, how do I install the network thinghies? <WalterOS2> Doug: I just emailed you my ISP's EUA. <Doug> thanks <WalterOS2> Kris: what version of eCS/OS2 do you have? <Kris> ecs1.1 installed without bells and whistles <WalterOS2> Take a look at http://www.ecomstation.com/edp/mod.php?mod=ecsfaq&op=show_answer&faq_id=43 <WalterOS2> As they say, the easiest way to add networking is to reinstall. <WalterOS2> I have tried several times to add or update it after the fact, and the results have been dicey at best. <WalterOS2> That's one real weakness with eCS. :-( <Kris> Walter: I have been there, and it is of no use. Reinstall is worthless too, as ecs1.1 doesn't recognizes the e1000 nic <WalterOS2> The Intel Pro/100 Card Bus II <Kris> So, me thinks manual and step by step is the only safe option <WalterOS2> The guy to talk to is Alex Taylor <alextaylor41NOT@THISrogers.com>. He wrote most of the Installation stuff. <WalterOS2> Kris: What is the name of your adapter? <Kris> According to Chucks program I do need e1000.nif , and I have already copied it. <WalterOS2> What is the name of your adapter? <Kris> Walter: how can I possibly sort that out? <wdl> Walter: BTW - I've been corresponding w/ Alex _re_ my eCS non-install. <wdl> Walter: ... he's stumped. <wdl> Walter: ... current thought is corrupt CDs. But they do correspond dir-wise <Kris> Bill: he shouldn't be stumped at all after the things I've told him already, but that's another issue. <wdl> Walter: ... with another guy's CD. ??? <wdl> Walter: *I* think it's *gotta* be my HDD layout/OSs installed, etc. <wdl> ... something "they" didn't think off / accomodate to. <wdl> ... end of bleat. ;-( <WalterOS2> I'm trying to install the Intel Pro/100 Card Bus II NIC, and I had problems with just re-install MPTS. <WalterOS2> And I was trying to use Chuck's file for PCMCIA NIC's. <WalterOS2> Kris: I found a driver packages on the Intel site which is much newer than Chuck's. <WalterOS2> I am about to re-install using that. <Kris> Walter: It took me over a week to install ecs1.1 more or less properly, so I'm not going to reinstall from scratch <Kris> All the more, the problem isn't about new drivers but about eCS not able to install the drivers. <WalterOS2> In particular there is an E1000 driver dated 2002-4-3. :-) <Kris> e1000 drivers I have are dated 27-09-2003, but that shoudn't make any difference <WalterOS2> Kris: I don't want to beat a dead horse, but is it possible the drivers won't install because they don't recognize the NIC connected to the system? <Kris> What do you mean by "nic connected to ...? We are talking about onboard thinghies of the t-40, arent't we? <Kris> So, there is no way to install the damn things manually? <WalterOS2> Kris: In your case yes. Mine is external. That's why I said "connected to" <Kris> Sorry, but I even can't solve my problems, how do you think I could solve yours? <WalterOS2> I don't know if "there's no way"; it's just not recommended and in my experience takes more time messing with than doing a reinstall. <WalterOS2> There are ways to make a reinstall less painful, however. <Kris> Which ways? <WalterOS2> I wasn't asking you to solve my problem. <WalterOS2> I was really just trying to point out the newer drivers on the Intel site. <KenKrchnr> Hi Kris, sorry, I've been in and out here, but, you need to pick the "Intel 825x" or similar driver from the mpts screens. <WalterOS2> First, backup your Desktop + wp root. sf file. <KenKrchnr> Did you do an initial install of networking? <WalterOS2> Then back up the whole partition. <Kris> Ken, just a moment <KenKrchnr> (do you have tcp/ip or peer installed) <wdl> It's 2.5 hours. Agenda's done? Need to adjourn... ( TTW = tap-tap-tap... ) <WalterOS2> When the re-install is done, you can delete the Desktop and restore the saved desktop. This will restore your customization. <wdl> Move to adjourn. <wdl> Everyone else can stay, of course... <WalterOS2> All in favour, type Aye. <wdl> Aye <WarpedOS2> Aye <KenKrchnr> Aye 14:33:49 <WalterOS2> Motion is carried. Official meeting is adjourned.