WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2003-12-21
15:15:38 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session.
<WalterOS2> Item A: Old Business
<WalterOS2> A1: Redbooks
<WalterOS2> At our last meeting, we decided that the OS/2 Redbooks should be downloaded onto Warpdoctor.
<WalterOS2> We could use some volunteers, just to work through the downloads.
<wdl> I've got some already...
<KenKrchnr> I saw that in the log. Does anyone know how many there are in total?
<NielsJ_> I also have some already, and I could download at work between Christmas and New Years. I have a high speed connection there.
<Gord> I can help with that.
<WalterOS2> Here's the list: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/os/warp/library/redindex.html
<WalterOS2> OK, Niels, that would help us out.
<WalterOS2> Ken, can you set up a directory on WD into which we can put them?
<KenKrchnr> Yep.
<Gord> I defer to Niels high speed connection. I only have dialup.
<WalterOS2> Thanks. When you've got it, please post the URL to the WD mailist.
<WalterOS2> Gord: :-)
<KenKrchnr> I'll need to have the volunteers send me a note with a username/password. I don't want to make an anonymous upload area.
<WalterOS2> I've downloaded a few already onto my hard disk.
<NielsJ_> I will attempt to download the client redbooks on 29 and/or 30 of december.
<Gord> OK. Got the agenda now.
<WalterOS2> Niels: Thanks a lot. That would be great.
<WalterOS2> Anyone else with broadband who would like to help NielsJ out?
<WalterOS2> Ken: I forgot about the anonymous upload factor. Thanks for picking up on it. :-)
<WalterOS2> I think we decided just to download/upload just the pdf files, right?
<Doug> I think so - that would be much easier
<WalterOS2> True enough.
<wdl> Don't know if this one is still on that site: sg244586.zip 2040936 3-26-01 13:52 ArcOs2 Redbook: Object REXX for OS/2 '96 -- but I've got it as well.
<WalterOS2> Hopefully, Innotech will come out with a fix to Acrobat 4.x to allow printing before too long. Enough people (including me!) have complained about it on their forum.
<wdl> Maybe also a few other from years prior...
<WalterOS2> Most of the RD will work OK with Acrobat 3, though.
<WalterOS2> Good, do you have broadband?
<wdl> Um... Me? Broadband? Nooooooooooo.
<WalterOS2> Think you could upload the RB you've got that aren't on the IBM RB site to VOICE with dial-up?
<WalterOS2> Maybe you could set it up and night, or something.
<WalterOS2> and=at
<MADodel> Where should the Red Books go on Warpdoctor.org?
<wdl> Probably could. My downloads are quite reliable; my uploads less so. In terms of maintaining a connection...
<WalterOS2> Some clients (like EmTec) will allow you to restart uploads/downloads if you've been disconnected.
<KenKrchnr> I will create a private directory for the uploads, "redbooks"
<wdl> "...restart..." Yeah, mine does too. Don't know what the problem is. But uploading to my own website sometimes is a problem. ;-(
<WalterOS2> L:\REDBOOKS\SG242010.html 875 12/15/2003 10:24
<WalterOS2> L:\REDBOOKS\sg242010.pdf 1,601,020 12/15/2003 10:23
<WalterOS2> sg242028.pdf
<WalterOS2> sg244602.pdf
<WalterOS2> sg244702.pdf
<WalterOS2> sg244785.pdf
<WalterOS2> The above files are the ones I've downloaded, Niels.
<WalterOS2> So you don't have to do them again.
<jep> You can download everything in one sweep if you like (I know how)
<WalterOS2> OK, I'll bite: how?
<jep> wget -c -t 10 -w 1 -x -r -p -l 0 -L --referer=%h --progress=bar:force -P "%p" "%u"
<jep> awget actually
<WalterOS2> Niels, it your choice. :-)
<jep> Preserves directory structue too
<WalterOS2> We don't want the directory structure. Just the file.
<jep> don't use -x then
<WalterOS2> Well, it's up to Niels.
<WalterOS2> IAC, I'll upload the four I have to save time.
<WalterOS2> Anything else on that subject?
<NielsJ_> I will see what I can do. I only have limited experience with awget and wget.
<WalterOS2> At some point, we'll probably want to make them part of the WD database, so we can add titles and descriptions.
<NielsJ_> I have taken note of the once Walter already have downloaded.
<wdl> I've got these (sorry for big "sploosh" here):
<wdl> gg244459.pdf 903370 12-14-03 1:14 DatWdl Redbook: PC DOS 7 Tech Upd -IBM
<wdl> gg244505.pdf 10827438 4-05-00 22:20 DatApp Redbook: OS/2 Warp Generation,
<wdl> Vol 2: Exploring LAN Connectivity -IBM
<wdl> redindex.ht 16542 12-14-03 1:59 DatWdl Redbooks avail... (?g244*, etc)
<wdl> -IBM
<wdl> sg244295.pdf 2310898 12-16-03 19:30 DatWdl Redbook: OS/2 Install Techniques:
<wdl> The CID Guide -IBM
<wdl> sg244552.pd
<wdl> 45 3-28-00 0:57 DatApp Redbook: OS/2 Warp Generation,
<wdl> Vol 1: OS/2 Warp V.3, ... -IBM
<wdl> sg244586.zip 2040936 3-26-01 13:52 ArcOs2 Redbook: Object REXX for OS/2 '96
<wdl> sg244640.pdf 1505497 12-14-03 1:06 DatWdl Redbook: The OS/2 Debugging
<wdl> Handbook - Volume I Basic Skills and
<wdl> Diagnostic Techniques -IBM
<wdl> sg244640.inf 3712747 4-08-98 7:39 DatOs2 Debugging Handbook Warp3 1-1996
<wdl> sg
<wdl> INF 3592764 2-26-99 9:10 DatOs2 Debugging Handbook Warp3 199?
<wdl> sg244641.pdf 1719170 12-14-03 1:50 DatWdl Redbook: The OS/2 Debugging
<wdl> Handbook - Volume II Using the Debug
<wdl> Kernel and Dump Formatter -IBM
<wdl> sg244642.pdf 1164751 12-14-03 1:24 DatWdl Redbook: The OS/2 Debugging
<wdl> Handbook - Volume III System Trace
<wdl> Reference -IBM
<wdl> sg244643.pdf 1
<wdl> 12-14-03 1:42 DatWdl Redbook: The OS/2 Debugging
<wdl> Handbook - Volume IV System Diagnostic
<wdl> Ref -IBM
<wdl> sg244730.pdf 20963087 8-13-98 19:33 DatWdl Redbook: TCP/IP Implementation in
<wdl> an OS/2 Warp Environment -IBM
<WalterOS2> I was just thinking that we should probably d/l the Abstracts as well. That would make valuable for the db.
<wdl> Um. "sg244552.pd" = "sg244552.pdf" , etc...
<Doug> walter - I very much agree
<wdl> I've abstracts for most of the ones I've got. Saved as "*.zid", which I didn't list.
<WalterOS2> valuable=valuable info
<WalterOS2> OK, we need to move on.
<WalterOS2> A. Old Business
<WalterOS2> A2: Warpdoctor Status
<WalterOS2> Doug, can you let us know where you are?
<Doug> I did not get much done last week
<WalterOS2> OK, no problem.
<WalterOS2> Hi Vaughn
<WarpedOS2> Hi Walter, everyone...!
<WalterOS2> A3: Old Business:--Status of the XPager problem.
<WalterOS2> I haven't gotten a reply from the email I sent to one person in Netlabs.
<WalterOS2> I haven't been able to find the name and email address of anyone else who seems to be "in charge".
<WalterOS2> Anybody have any suggestions?
<Gord> No
<WalterOS2> Anyone *else*?
<WalterOS2> :-)
<WalterOS2> Doug: Did you say there was a discussion for Netlabs?
<WalterOS2> discussion forum
<WalterOS2> In Yahoo
<Doug> there is a yahoo group for WarpIn - I posted a question about who the "official maintainer" was of WarpIN - and the response I got was to search the archive/past messages for who that person is.
<Doug> I did - and never found out. I intend to send something off to Ulrich and see what happens.
<WalterOS2> Doug: Good luck!
<WalterOS2> I'm going to bug Roderick about it. Our voice in Europe so to speak. :-)
<WarpedOS2> Ulrich I believe is now a full fledged Lawyer and so his career is now taking up all his time.
<WalterOS2> This is what I've heard as well.
<Doug> I believe you are correct. However I have to also think that Ulrich has some interest in WarpIn and xWorkplace shell
<Doug> still
<WarpedOS2> I hope so
<WalterOS2> Roderick tends to know the OS/2 bright lights in Europe fairly well, so he may know the right person.
<Doug> Roderick is an excellent idea walter.
<WalterOS2> Anyone can fix the problem.
<WalterOS2> Just need someone to do it.
<WalterOS2> I've reported it in "bugzilla" or whatever its name is.
<WalterOS2> Xtracker is the right name.
<WalterOS2> B: New Business
<Doug> maybe when you find the correct xPerson you can report the xBug and get an xFix
<WalterOS2> 1. Switch-over of VOICE/Warpdoctor to new server.
<WalterOS2> a. I think we said we were going to do this in the new year.
<WalterOS2> Am I right or wrong?
<KenKrchnr> VOICE and the existing Warpdoctor are on voice2 already.
<KenKrchnr> The only service left on voice1 is mail.
<WalterOS2> OK, great!
<WalterOS2> I must have been asleep. :-)
<KenKrchnr> I am currently testing mail changes in preparation to move mail back to voice2.
<WalterOS2> Vaughn, are you still with us?
<WarpedOS2> last time I checked
<KenKrchnr> That will probably take 2 weeks (from this past Wednesday).
<WalterOS2> For your perspective, is there anything else that needs to be done before we can move Mail services?
<WarpedOS2> not sure ... if that question was directed to me...
<WalterOS2> I'm nervous about leaving services at TE over the holidays.
<WalterOS2> Vaughn: yes it was. :-)
<WarpedOS2> so when ken fired up the mail services on Voice 2 werer also the users on Voice1 moved as well..?
<KenKrchnr> Yes
<WalterOS2> I have visions about VOICE1 going down, and nobody from TE around who can/will restart it.
<KenKrchnr> We moved all to voice2, but after 2 weeks there was a problem with dropped connections.
<WarpedOS2> so guess all you have to do now is move DNS entries over to Voice2 and all should work??
<WarpedOS2> dropped connections?
<KenKrchnr> As I was going on vacation, I moved mail back to voice1 'til I got the chance to find the cause.
<KenKrchnr> For some reason smtp connections were dropping afgter getting the "DATA" command.
<WarpedOS2> you suspect it is software or hardware?
<KenKrchnr> Only inbound smtp, and only sporadically.
<KenKrchnr> I suspect software, but haven't decided if it was in Weasel or the firewall.
<WarpedOS2> well..I don't have any experience with lastest weasel...I stayed at 1.61 I think
<KenKrchnr> I have the same version of Weasel running mail services behind the firewall right now, I'm waiting for a failure to occur.
<WarpedOS2> don't have any problems with that version...the later versions I did have problems so maybe that is where to look..possibly
<KenKrchnr> In the meantime, I've reverted Weasel and MM to the same version as on voice1 to eliminate that as a cause.
<WarpedOS2> Sounds good to me...Ken...so you think that it may work ok now...haved you experienced anything like that since you did that?
<WalterOS2> Ken: I just noticed that Warpstock.org is still on VOICE1. (?)
<WalterOS2> And Warpstock.com doesn't respond. :-(
<KenKrchnr> Did you try www.warpstock.org
<KenKrchnr> I don't know if there is a warpstock.com?
<WalterOS2> OK, that's on VOICE2.
<WalterOS2> I think there used to be a (www.)warpstock.com on VOICE1 that was sort of used as a mirror.
<WalterOS2> Any, it's gone now.
<KenKrchnr> I don't have any real activity on voice2 weasel since it's moved. But the newer version I used for company mail is running fine so far.
<WalterOS2> unknown host www.warpstock.com
<KenKrchnr> But it took 2 weeks the last time for the problem to occur.
<WalterOS2> I'm surprised it took that long.
<WalterOS2> Because VOICE NEWS is on the mail server.
<KenKrchnr> Yes, it was strange. But the next day the same thing happened. Then I moved it.
<KenKrchnr> warpstock.com is registered to a Korean registrant. I don't think that's us :-)
<WalterOS2> Probably not!
<WalterOS2> Ken: Is your mail testing live (are things like our current VOICE NEWS using it?)
<KenKrchnr> voice2 webstats are at http://warpdoctor.org/webstats/clean - updated to Dec 15.
<KenKrchnr> My mail test is on my company domain (and the other commercial domain I maintain). But we don't use mail lists.
<WalterOS2> IOW, is are the various VOICE emails being handled by VOICE2 with your tests, or by VOICE1?
<KenKrchnr> All mail functions are on voice1 for the time being.
<WalterOS2> OK, thanks.
<WalterOS2> And it needs to run another two weeks?
<KenKrchnr> (All voice mail functions that is)
<WalterOS2> Your testing, that is.
<KenKrchnr> It's been going 4 days, so I want another 10 to get past the time it took for the problem to show up last time. I don't know any way to speed it up short of "moving and hoping", which I prefer not to do.
<WalterOS2> Agreed.
<WalterOS2> OK, I guess we'll let it run over the holidays on VOICE1 and hope the server doesn't go down.
<KenKrchnr> I have been pulling the mail files daily from voice 1 so if there is a problem we don't have out of date info like the last time.
<WalterOS2> Ken: Are you on the admin mail list?
<KenKrchnr> Yes
<WalterOS2> Good: so you're in the loop about Christian's proposed changes.
<KenKrchnr> Yes, I've seen the proposal.
<WalterOS2> 'Cause he made a reference about not wanting the webmaster "to go crazy and burn-out in no time."
<WalterOS2> Let's move on to B2: Other Business.
<WalterOS2> Ken: what impact will his changes have on you?
<KenKrchnr> Well, it'll be more on Doug and the Warpdoctor site.
<WalterOS2> And, what the heck is a "Content Management System"?
<KenKrchnr> But there will be a problem in running MySQL (the php part) on the version of Apache we have now.
<KenKrchnr> Basically what Doug is working on for Warpdoctor.
<WalterOS2> Ah. I thought so!
<NielsJ_> For "Content Management Systems" take a look at www.opensourcecms.org, and test drive some of these systems.
<WarpedOS2> I have been running pache/2.0.47 (OS/2) PHP/4.3.2 DAV/2
<WalterOS2> Doug: Christian is proposing some rather drastic changes to the VOICE web site, and I'm concerned how they will affect you and the Warpdoctor site.
<WalterOS2> I've forwarded you the email.
<Doug> ok I will look
<WalterOS2> I stress that these are PROPOSED changes, and that Christian probably has little if any idea what's going on in this group.
<Doug> but since voice and warpdoctor are two different sites, albeit running on the same machine, it shouldn't should it?
<WalterOS2> So we need to come up with some kind of intelligent, realistic response to his request for comments.
<KenKrchnr> It may be necessary to run 2 web servers, LDGW and Apache.
<WalterOS2> Ick!
<WarpedOS2> No reason one copy of Apache should be able to handle both domains..
<KenKrchnr> Doug may beg to differ.... ;-)
<WalterOS2> Vaughn: But we aren't using Apache for Warpdoctor.
<Doug> Ken - can two web servers be run on the same machine?
<WalterOS2> We're using Lotus Domino Go Webserver.
<WalterOS2> I was about to ask that.
<KenKrchnr> Yes, we can run two, but it may be preferable to have 2 machines.
<WalterOS2> I should think it would be quite tricky, at best.
<Doug> Vaughn - there appears to be a problem with Apache v 2.x with Apache not closing open TCP/IP sockets when running CGI programs
<WalterOS2> tricky==2 servers on one machine.
<KenKrchnr> Doug, I think that's fixed now.
<WarpedOS2> Doug ...we using CGI programs?
<WalterOS2> Ken: You're the one who fixed it, right?
<NielsJ_> 2 servers on one machine usually mean one is on a port other than 80, e.g. 8080.
<KenKrchnr> Well, I didn't actually fix anything, just backleveled mpts
<Doug> Vaughn - (using CGI programs?) currently yes..
<KenKrchnr> But the hung sockets problem is gone.
<WalterOS2> Now, you're just being modest. :-)
<Doug> The plan is to convert some of CGI programs to an internal process (i.e. an function contained in a DLL) that is therefor loaded and run more quickly by the web server
<Doug> The socket problem was the only one I remember as forcing us to use LDGW
<WalterOS2> Ken: What did you find to be the best version of mpts?
<KenKrchnr> It was Vaughn's input that got me to look at that. He had no problem with the same Apache version.
<KenKrchnr> I had to revert to 6.3001 (eCS 1.0) from 6.3100 (eCS 1.1)
<Doug> I have the problem on WSeB
<WalterOS2> Ken: OK, thanks. I'll keep that tidbit in mind.
<Doug> let me look at the MPTS level
<KenKrchnr> Doug, do you see sockets hanging in FIN_WAIT_2? that's the problem I saw.
<Doug> Actually - I don't know that it is sockets hanging - I heard someone say that it that is what it looks like
<WalterOS2> Ken: I'm inclined to agree with your earlier suggestion about having 2 machines.
<Doug> my syslevel says TCIP stack v 5.5
<WalterOS2> However, I won't let you buy a 2nd machine for us. :-) Furthermore there's the problem of mirroring/backing up 2 machines instead of just one.
<WarpedOS2> I purchased serveral Apache 2 books and you can run two instances of Apache 2.x, there is a bit of a performance hit..though
<KenKrchnr> I have a few spare machines around. And backing up wouldn't be a problem, tho' mirroring to a single machine could be.
<KenKrchnr> It's not 2 instances of Apache, would be 1 Apache, 1 LDGW (for Warpdoctor)
<Doug> mirroring and backing up are essentially going to be the same thing for WD
<WalterOS2> Ken: Your generosity is amazing!
<Doug> since they both involve backing up the database
<WarpedOS2> BBIAB folks
<WalterOS2> Ken: What is your professional opinion as to the best option?
<KenKrchnr> We need to see what needs we have for Christian, and where they differ from what we need for Doug.
<WalterOS2> Good point.
<KenKrchnr> I was already thinking about 2 servers, 'cause I have some issues with LDGW as well ;-)
<Doug> actually - some of what Christian wants sounds very much like what we are doing with WD - execpt in a different format
<WalterOS2> I'll send Christian a note expressing our concern, and ask him if he can identify his requirements more clearly.
<WalterOS2> I'm going to ask that we table this for further discussion
<WalterOS2> in our next meeting on Jan 11.
<WalterOS2> I've got a splitting headache that I need to take some medication for. :-(
<WalterOS2> Would someone like to move that we adjourn?
<Doug> move to adjourn
<NielsJ_> I second that
<WalterOS2> All in favour of adjourning, please type Aye.
<NielsJ_> Aye
<KenKrchnr> Aye
<Doug> aye
<WalterOS2> All opposed, please type Nay.
17:15:33 <WalterOS2> Motion is carried. Meeting is adjourned.