WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2003-09-14
09-14-03 12:05:12 <WalterOS2> This session of Warpdoctor is now in session.
<WalterOS2> Bill, are you going to take the log?
<wdl> WalterOS2: Yes.
<WalterOS2> FYI The agenda is at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-09-14.html
<WalterOS2> thx
<WalterOS2> There's some stuff I want to talk about that came up after I posted the agenda.
<WalterOS2> Someone wrote an email to me pleading with some help with CONFIG.SYS.
<WalterOS2> He was particularly concerned with how to modify it for applications like browsers; things like uninstalling Netscape 4.62 in particular.
<Kris> Walter: You do mean 4.61, don't you?
<WalterOS2> I wrote a fairly extensive repy, but thought it would be a good idea to put an article dealing with that on Warpdoctor.
<WalterOS2> You mean you haven't heard of 4.62? Solves all the problems in 4.61.
<WalterOS2> hehe
<WalterOS2> You're right: I should have said 4.61.
<Kris> Walter: Imho the epf* (watever) install ininstalls everything
<Kris> correction:uninstalls
<WalterOS2> You're right, but it's easy for that to get lost after NS's been on the system for a while.
<WalterOS2> Kris: Happens to me a lot. :-(
<Kris> Hmm, You can delete manually all the entries in the config and the os2.ini file, but that doesn't sound easier for a newbee.
<WalterOS2> It would be a good idea to have an article targeted at newer users.
<Kris> Are new users still burdened with 4.61?
<WalterOS2> You can use UniMaint too, as I've done, but I wouldn't recommend that for a newbie, either.
<WalterOS2> It's a "recommended" install with eCS 1.1, but I don't think it's really necessary.
<WalterOS2> The only thing *I* can think of where you need Netscape specifically is a standalone install of Java 1.1.8, and not too many times does a person do that.
<Kris> hmm yes. It stiil is needed to install java131. Like that A mess it is of course
<WalterOS2> HOWEVER: The LVM GUI and the TCP/IP Configuration tool both require Java 1.1.8 and will not run under Java 1.2 or higher!!
<Kris> Not even under java131???
<WalterOS2> Nope!
<WalterOS2> I've tried it several times, and no dice.
<Kris> Then it is a mess (-:
<KenKrchnr> There are reports that lvmgui runs under Innotek Java 1.4
<WalterOS2> Would someone like to take on the job of writing that article?
<WalterOS2> I haven't fooled around with Java 1.4 to be sure. I'll check it after the meeting or tomorrow.
<Kris> Ken: and what about GoldenCode java 1.4?
<WalterOS2> I haven't fooled around *enough* with Java 1.4 .... is what I meant.
<KenKrchnr> I haven't seen it mentioned. But it's possible I've missed that.
<WalterOS2> Downloaded but not installed it yet.
<wdl> LVM GUI vs Java: 1.3.1 Works here. I'm running "Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.1".
<WalterOS2> I've got *three* Java's on my system as it is!
<wdl> "*three* Javas: Same here.
<WalterOS2> wdl: Have you removed Java 1.1.8?
<Kris> Walter: I have-
<wdl> WalterOAS2: No. I block it as needed in alternate Config.Sys files.
<WalterOS2> wdl: Look carefully at the Classpath statement in your CONFIG.SYS and tell me what order the Java's are in.
<WalterOS2> I think you'll find LVM is loading the 1.1.8 modules.
<WalterOS2> I know every test I've run and that's a lot show it runs on 1.1.8.
<wdl> WalterOs2: At present, they're such that 1.3.1 is first. As I said, I use alternate Config.Sys files, as needed. Rebooting, of course.
<WalterOS2> Strange...
<WalterOS2> Kris, would like to write an article about this?
<WalterOS2> That's OK if you don't.
<WalterOS2> Since Doug has popped in, let's discuss the plugin, at least for a bit.
<WalterOS2> Doug, did you get my email?
<Doug> yes - I sent the document using warpdoctorNOSPAM@os2voice.org, but since you didn't get it I also sent it directly to you.
<Doug> just now
<WalterOS2> Doug: I don't have it yet.
<WalterOS2> Must be the border traffic. :-)
<Doug> probably customs - can't be too careful these days
<WalterOS2> <g>
<WalterOS2> Ken, do you want to do your think with the firewall?
<WalterOS2> think=thing
<KenKrchnr> Sure, just a sec..
<KenKrchnr> OK, it's switched
<Doug> oops walter. Apparently I just THOUGHT I had sent it to you. Look now.
<Doug> Mark - did you get the little PDF thingy on debugging?
<MADodel> Yes Doug. One question. It says it writes the file to C:\pmprintf.log
<MADodel> But my C: drive is NTFS
<Doug> I think it writes to C. Its either that or it writes it to bootdrive>\pmprintf.log
<WalterOS2> Doug: I unzipped PMPrintf.zip and ran it from e:\warpdoctor. It gave me two messages saying it couldn't find the .HLP files or directory, and then came to PM window. Now what?
<WalterOS2> e: is my boot drive
<MADodel> OK I haven't tried it yet. I'm in the middle of installing VPC/2 on a new install of eCS on my laptop.
<Kris> Where did you guysfind pmprintf.zip???
<Doug> you are ok - now go to www.warpdoctor.org/homedb.html
<Doug> This should produce output in the pmprintf window
<Doug> Background to everyone else: I sent a small document out yesterday describing how to turn on debug output from the plug-in.
<Doug> Walter and Mark are trying to do that.
<Doug> Kris - Pmprintf_viewer.zip is at ftp://www.warpdoctor.org
<Doug> If you sign on as anonymous you should find that file.
<Doug> Since my boot drive is C on all my machine, I don't know if it uses C:\PMPRINTF.LOG or bootdrive:\PMPRINTF.LOG
<WalterOS2> Doug: I got two messages stating it couldn't find the wdplugin.dll file. It did the same thing when I first accessed the www.warpdoctor.org/home.html.
<WalterOS2> I may need to reinstall the plugin.
<Doug> There are two DLLs that need to be in your libpath: wdPlugin.DLL and wdicons.dll.
<WalterOS2> Except I don't think wdplugin.dll is part of the plugin??
<Doug> They are put in c:\os2\apps\dll by the install program
<WalterOS2> That explains it. I reinstalled my system since last week. :-)
<Doug> wdPlugin.DLL contains Rexx functions that Rexx programs need and use when they are running under the plugin
<Doug> There are a couple of other files that are necessary - that are put in the directory that you specify as the install directory.
<Doug> which by default is c:\warpdoctor - in the install program.
<WalterOS2> It's probably quicker to reinstall the plugin, than to find and restore the files.
<Doug> probably is.
<WalterOS2> I'll do that and come back when I'm done.
<Kris> I'm giving in guys, it's turning out to difficult for simple human beings. Maybe till next time.
<Doug> kris - what is your email?
<WalterOS2> Doug: OK, I'm back and everything is working per specifications. :-)
<WalterOS2> What should I look for?
<Doug> When you go to www.warpdoctor.org/homedb.html
<Doug> you should see some output in the PmPrintf.exe window.
<WalterOS2> I'm there now.
<WalterOS2> All kinds of stuff. :-)
<Doug> Are you still getting a blank screen with a vertical line in the middle
<WalterOS2> Yep
<Doug> ok - now I need a copy of the output from the PmPrintf window please.
<WalterOS2> OK, I'll email it to you, OK?
<Doug> Please.
<Doug> walter - do you have watchcat or some process monitor like that?
<WalterOS2> The only one I have installed is PM Patrol. What do you want it do?
<Doug> IS there any way you can get a list of the processes/applications that you are currently running, and email that also?
<WalterOS2> BTW, there's a problem wih PMPRINTF. I can't capture the output with the usual <CTRL><INS>. I saved it a log. Do you know what/where the log is?
<Doug> I don't know of PM Patrol will allow you to do a log or list.
<Doug> Walter - try Actions - Displayed Messages - Write Logfile on the PmPrintf menu bar.
<WalterOS2> It will display a list. I'll see if it will let me print/save the list.
<Doug> That will create a file PmPrintf.log - which will be either in C:\ or bootdrive:\
<WalterOS2> I've done the save from PMPrintf; let me check for the file.
<Doug> ok - you can also try OPTIONS - Log Options. That should allow you to specify the log file name and location
<WalterOS2> Doug: The log has been emailed to you.
<WalterOS2> Let me see what I can do with PMPatrol.
<Doug> Thanks - I will look at the log
<KenKrchnr> Walter - PMPatrol - process monitor - edit - copy
<KenKrchnr> Or use the file - option of process monitor
<Doug> Walter - how fast is your processor?
<WalterOS2> Doug: 2 for 2. I was able to save the Processes List to a file, and I have just emailed that to you as well.
<Doug> ok thanks
<Doug> What version of Mozilla are you using again?
<WalterOS2> Ken: My processwor is an AMD-Athlon-1800
<WalterOS2> 1.4
<Doug> thanks
<WalterOS2> I'm told that 1.4 is the last "monolithic" version of Mozilla. After this they will be releasing separate modules such as Fireball and Thunderbird.
<KenKrchnr> Doug - if it helps, I see the same thing with Mozilla 1.4, yet Firebird 0.6.1 works. Both start from the same type of batch file to set parameters.
<WalterOS2> FWIW I have found that 1.4 is remarkably stable under almost any conditions. I like it..I like it. :-)
<Doug> Well - looking at Walter's debug output, it appears that Mozilla is not recognizing the "type" of data stream that is being sent by the web server.
<Doug> Where Firebird does.
<WalterOS2> Hmm.
<Doug> Walter - what other browsers do you have installed on your machine?
<WalterOS2> Just Netscape 4.61.
<Doug> Could you try that? - copy the npwrpdoc.dll file to your netscape\program\plugins directory
<WalterOS2> I just never got around to making the setups necessary to have the others installed concurrently.
<Doug> That's ok - netscape 4.61 should work, I think.
<WalterOS2> Sure.
<KenKrchnr> Doug, NS 4.61 - page loads, but when I click on the toolbar it shows the Domino Go logo where the toolbar was.
<Doug> oh yeah - just a minute. Let me see if I can fix that real quick.
<WalterOS2> OK--The plugin works under NS 4.61
<Doug> great - I will investigate the Mozilla v 1.4 thing more. After looking at your debug output I am beginning to think that it is something else.
<Doug> Didn't Mark say that he was running Mozilla 1.5x last week?
<KenKrchnr> Yes
<WalterOS2> Doug: Looks real good too.
<Doug> Just a second wallter and I will lead you through some of the screens.
<WalterOS2> I don't where I read that. I was surfing the net like crazy yesterday, and that's when I read it.
<WalterOS2> don't know where....
<WalterOS2> I hope they *do* continue to develop the integrated browser.
<Doug> Walter - click on the keys in the toolbar - tell me what you see, please
<WalterOS2> The Lotus Domino logo. <g>
<Doug> OK - you don't have the plug-in yet. Give me another second or two.
<WalterOS2> I feel like a guy in a car, with a mechanic poking around under the hood, giving me the occasional instructions.
<WalterOS2> Feels weird because Ken and Doug are both hundreds/thousands of miles away. :-)
<KenKrchnr> The wonder of the internet :-)
<WalterOS2> :-)
<Doug> ok - while you are try this. www.warpdoctor.org/settings_site.html
<Doug> Then select Plug-in from the screen and click apply
<WalterOS2> I got a Javascript error at the bottom of the screen, and I don't think anything happened.
<Doug> You won't be able to see anything - I'll send you somewhere else in a second to check
<WalterOS2> I'm still getting the Lotus logo.
<KenKrchnr> Walter, try the settings page _twice_. The first time the plugin setting doesn't take, but when you go back you'll see that javascript is now enabled and you should be able to set plugin mode.
<KenKrchnr> That said, Doug, once I go to plugin mode with 4.61 I get only a split bar, but not in the same place.
<Doug> Yeah - the names of the applications used by Netscape are different than the ones used by Mozilla, etc.
<Doug> I am creating those Netscape specific apps right now. It will take another minute or so.
<Doug> This is because Mozilla, etc. will automaticallly decompress a compressed datastream, where Netscape will not uniless it is displaying it.
<Doug> Therefor when using Netscape the apps are compressed using ZIP instead of gzip
<WalterOS2> Doug: I've gone back to /home.html, and I'm back to seeing the verticle bar.
<WalterOS2> Now I did shut down NS and reload it.
<Doug> Yeah - same problem. Just a second and we can try it.
<WalterOS2> I hope that didn't screw anything up.
<Doug> nope
<WalterOS2> setting_site shows the plugin as selected.
<WalterOS2> ping Doug
<Doug> still here
<WalterOS2> Just checking. :-)
<Doug> Ok - I am getting the toolbar but not anything else.
<WalterOS2> I was more concerned about whether my system had cut me off and not told me. :-)
<Doug> It looks like I will have spend some more time looking at Netscape. I think I can get netsape to run fairly quickly, but probably not in this meeting.
<Doug> I will also download the latest version of Mozilla, whatever that is, and see if I can track down what is happening
<Doug> I think that Walter and Ken's problem will be the same one that Kris is having.
<WalterOS2> That's OK. Do you know what can be done about Mozilla's not recognizing the plugin?
<Doug> I thought you guys where having a different problem - one that I experience occassionally, but that is not the case.
<Doug> I will also change the install program to using MOZ_PLUGIN_DIR (or whatever the setting is) so that it places the npwrpdoc.dll file in the correct directory
<WalterOS2> OK
<KenKrchnr> Doug, in Firebird now I get the toolbar, then a DrRexx dialog saying "No fialog to load".
<KenKrchnr> Or Dialog even ;-)
<WalterOS2> :-)
<Doug> And - I will alter the installer to look for the actual browser executable when it finds an entry in the OS2.INI file so that if the OS2.INI is not cleaned up when a browser is deleted we will handle it correctly.
<Doug> Ken - I need to change something back that I changed to make Netscape work.
<KenKrchnr> Ahh, OK.
<Doug> ok - fixed now
<Doug> So right now- the plugin should work with Firebird, Mozilla 1.4a and earlier, and IBM web browser version 2
<WalterOS2> <sniff>
<WalterOS2> :-)
<Doug> I will work on the later versions of Mozilla and on Netscape 4.61 early this week.
<WalterOS2> Much appreciated.
<KenKrchnr> Latest version of Mozilla is 1.5b
<Doug> I will send you a note Walter as soon as I get Netscape to work, so that you can look at it.
<WalterOS2> OK, that'll be great.
<WalterOS2> OK, well, it's about that time again.
<WalterOS2> Thanks for all your hard work, Doug.
<Doug> we'll get this working shortly. Does anyone know Kris's email?
<WalterOS2> I don't have it.
<Doug> ok - I'll try to get it next week.
<Doug> Are you all going to WarpStock this year?
<KenKrchnr> I'll be there.
<wdl> Me too...
<Doug> There were some REALLY good prices for awhile on UNITED, example $99 for SF from Denver
<Doug> although I will be driving this year.
<Doug> move to adjourn?
<wdl> Doug: Drop by and visit a bit? I'm in Berkeley.
<WalterOS2> There's a motion to adjourn on the floor.
<Doug> I am bringing the family to SF and I would like to go to Berkeley. Lets get togethet at WS.
<wdl> Doug: OK.
<WalterOS2> All in favour of adjourning, pleas type AYE.
<Doug> aye
<KenKrchnr> Aye
<wdl> AYE
14:10:12 <WalterOS2> The motion is carried. The meeting is adjourned.