WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2003-08-31
15:08:40 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session.
15:09:03 <WalterOS2> Ken, would you take the log for us, please?
15:09:13 <KenKrchnr> Got it.
15:09:18 <WalterOS2> Thx
15:09:53 <WalterOS2> As I mentioned in announcement, we are going to pick up where we left off last week.
15:10:38 <WalterOS2> To that end, let's find out who's still having problems with the browser plugin.
15:11:06 <WalterOS2> If you are having problems, please give the name and version of your browser.
15:11:41 <KenKrchnr> If anyone wants to pick up the agenda, maybe they should do that before I switch Warpdoctor to the new site (for the duration of the meeting).
15:12:15 <WalterOS2> That's a thought. :-)
15:12:29 <MADodel> What is the IP for the new site again?
15:13:04 <Doug> 206.135.240.98
15:13:11 <WalterOS2> The agenda is at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-08-31.html .
15:13:14 <KenKrchnr> Mark, 206.135.240.98, but I'm going to redirect it at the firewall while the meeting is in progress.
15:13:39 <WalterOS2> I haven't been given chan op status, so I can't post it on the Topic line.
15:13:57 <KenKrchnr> This way people don't have to muck about with their "hosts" file.
15:14:14 <WalterOS2> Thx again.
15:14:58 <KenKrchnr> Doesn't look like anyone here has op status.
15:15:00 <Kris> I'm refused connection now at 206.135.240.98
15:15:53 <Doug> me too
15:15:57 <MADodel> The network NickServ is down, so unless everyone wants to leave the channel then return, no one can get ops.
15:17:31 <KenKrchnr> Kris, that address isn't set yet, will be shortly. I'm awaiting people to get the agenda.
15:17:36 <WalterOS2> It's not a big deal to me. Does everyone want to do that so they can see the topic line?
15:17:58 <Doug> I'm fine without a new topic line.
15:18:18 <WalterOS2> Again, the Agenda is at: http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-08-31.html .
15:20:27 <KenKrchnr> Are we ready to try to switch the warpdoctor site?
15:20:44 <WalterOS2> I am read and waiting...
15:20:53 <WalterOS2> make that ready
15:21:47 <Kris> I am at a loss
15:22:40 <WalterOS2> Right now, I see a nice LOTUS Domino GO Web Server yellow home page. :-)
15:22:52 <Kris> So do I
15:23:23 <MADodel> As do I
15:23:29 <KenKrchnr> It's switched, you need to use www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
15:25:11 <Kris> I'm there now
15:26:23 <Kris> And the keys still are giving me a blank page.
15:26:32 <KenKrchnr> Everybody see the new page?
15:27:05 <Doug> Kris - keys download about 70k before they appear
15:27:07 <WalterOS2> Yep.
15:28:23 <Doug> Kris - do you see anything from the Keys yet?
15:29:54 <MADodel> Doug: Trying "New User" I get "Error 404
15:29:54 <Kris> Lights on my adsl modem aren't flickering, nothong coming in really. Looks like I'm to far away
15:29:54 <MADodel> The file was not found, even after searching on any extensions to the file name. The file does not exist or is" when I click on "Create Use & Logon"
15:31:35 <Doug> Does anyone else get the 404 error on the New User tab?
15:31:56 <Kris> I'm getting nothing at all, just a blank page.
15:32:19 <WalterOS2> Doug: I selected "New User", filled in the required info, including email section, and clicked on "Create user & logon", and got a 404 error.
15:32:33 <KenKrchnr> Same 404 error here.
15:33:43 <Doug> ok - let me check it out
15:34:07 <Doug> I think all of you already have user ids and passwords assigned.
15:34:27 <KenKrchnr> Using the ID you gave me works.
15:36:23 <WalterOS2> Ditto
15:36:33 <MADodel> I tried my usual ID and it says its an "Invalid User ID"
15:38:25 <Doug> ok I fixed the Create New User.
15:39:18 <Doug> Mark - why don't you create your own user id and I will change your authorization after it is created
15:39:56 <WalterOS2> Doug: When I go to settings, and select "User" I get a 404.
15:40:26 <Doug> The User tab in Settings doesn't point to any page yet. Its not done
15:40:39 <WalterOS2> Oh..OK. :-)
15:40:47 <Doug> That will be where you change all the stuff related to your user id - password, contact info, etc.
15:40:52 <WalterOS2> heh
15:41:57 <WalterOS2> At least the setting you choose now "sticks".
15:42:36 <WalterOS2> Are the rest of the tools done yet?
15:43:50 <Doug> The bug and Info icon in both JS and plugin versions don't work yet.
15:44:13 <Doug> All the settings pages work in the plug-in. There are about 4 or 5 pages.
15:48:26 <MADodel> DOug: CLicking on create new user ID froze Mozilla 1.5b and my whole system.
15:48:28 <WalterOS2> Are you planning on putting either bubble-help or something on the status line so that the user will know what the icons mean?
15:49:43 <Kris> Meanwhile guys, I'm still getting blank page at http://www.warpdoctor.org/notebook.html
15:49:52 <Doug> I have an occasional conflict between ezirc and the plug-in - or more specifically DrRexx.
15:50:05 <Kris> And it's here, because I can look at the entire source.
15:50:21 <Doug> Which browser are you using Kris?
15:50:41 <Kris> Mozilla 1.4 GA
15:51:20 <Doug> This shouldn't matter here - but what is your settings for allowing pop-ups?
15:51:57 <Kris> I think I've disabled these things.
15:52:47 <WalterOS2> Doug: Are you planning on putting either bubble-help or something on the status line so that the user
15:52:53 <WalterOS2> will know what the icons mean?
15:53:20 <Doug> Walter - non-Mozilla browser have the bubble help. Mozilla based browser don't show the bubble help
15:53:39 <WalterOS2> Oh...that's nice. :-(
15:53:53 <Doug> I have not been successful adding bubble help to the plug-in because it appears that the browser does not notify the plug-in when the mouse pointer runs over the icons
15:54:11 <Doug> Its a bug in Mozilla.
15:54:15 <WalterOS2> I'm not blaming you.
15:54:20 <Doug> I know
15:54:44 <Doug> I might be able to put a text line below each icon.
15:54:59 <WalterOS2> Anything would be a help.
15:55:34 <Kris> Tag <alt > would do, wouldn't it?
15:55:37 <WalterOS2> My memory's getting more like a sieve every day. :-( Every little thing helps. :-)
15:56:44 <WalterOS2> Sounds like it should. :-)
15:56:52 <Doug> The images in the JS version have the ALT tag, Mozila doesn't display the alt text if it displays the icon. It only displays the ALT text if it doesn't display the icon
15:57:05 <Doug> Just one of the many decisions they made to be different from Netscape.
15:57:33 <WalterOS2> Why did they attempt to different from NS??
15:57:45 <Doug> who knows?
15:58:49 <Kris> According to the "rules", <alt > is meant for textmode browsers. They are following the rules rather strictly it seems.
15:58:52 <Doug> I have had this argument with them on plug-in function calls, and the result is they have not fixed a single bug I have turned on. And I reported these bugs more than a year ago.
15:59:08 <WalterOS2> Well, whatever they did, they came up with a browser far more stable than NS. That's the main reason I use it.
15:59:56 <Doug> Kris is correct. In many instances they choose to follow what they thing is the correct interpretation of "rules"
16:00:25 <WalterOS2> We can always suppose that some of these niceties in NS caused to its instability.
16:00:54 <Doug> The problems are that many of the rules (in the plug-in API) are open to interpretation, and some of the stuff needs to be compatible in order for web sites to work with multiple browsers
16:01:21 <WalterOS2> True enough.
16:01:26 <Doug> oh well - we aren't going to fix it, and apparently neither are they.
16:01:34 <WalterOS2> :-(
16:02:39 <WalterOS2> Back to the plugin.
16:03:03 <Kris> Doug: The notebook.html is here, for I can see the source, but the page is still blank as a virgin.
16:03:06 <MADodel> OK now that I'm logged in what am I supposed to do?
16:03:48 <WalterOS2> Go to www.warpdoctor.org/home
16:04:08 <WalterOS2> Sorry, forget I said anything.
16:04:11 <wdl> For what it's worth - Like Kris, I get blank pages from the ?task bar? icons. "View source" shows me something's there, but it's not *working*.
16:04:20 <Doug> Kris - try http://www.warpdoctor.org/logon_existinguser.html
16:04:43 <Doug> That is the page that is not showing up in the notebook. Enter your user id and password and click on logon.
16:04:52 <MADodel> Under Settings, "User" tab, I get "Error 404"
16:05:43 <Doug> User tab is not finished yet. The only page that works in the Settings notebook is the on that switches views
16:05:54 <MADodel> OK
16:06:23 <Doug> Kris - then go back to www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
16:07:31 <wdl> Trying " http://www.warpdoctor.org/logon_existinguser.html ", it says I've successfully logged-on.
16:08:14 <Doug> Mark - when you clicked on the keys did you also get a blank screen.
16:08:16 <Doug> ?
16:08:41 <MADodel> I don't see any difference
16:09:54 <Doug> Mark - you should see two additional folders in the left window: one with a key and one with a lock
16:09:56 <Kris> http://www.warpdoctor.org/logon_existinguser.html gves me a 404
16:10:06 <wdl> ...logged on. But nothing else changes. Still blank windows (with "hidden" text).
16:10:13 <MADodel> Yes they are there
16:10:50 <Doug> Ok - that is the most visible difference between "regular" users and "admin" users
16:11:20 <Doug> Ken - is it possible that Kris is somehow going back to the other warpdoctor.org address?
16:11:45 <KenKrchnr> Not if he see's the new base page.
16:12:19 <KenKrchnr> If he see's the file, it has to come from the new site.
16:12:24 <WalterOS2> I need to go. I'll be back shortly.
16:13:07 <KenKrchnr> Kris, did you try restarting Mozilla and flushing the cache?
16:13:17 <Doug> Kris - please clear your cache in Mozilla.
16:13:38 <Kris> Doug, I just logged in, but the paword etc... is invalid. You gave me kris - h0st last week
16:14:08 <Doug> Edit - Preferences - Advanced - Cache. Clear both memory and disk
16:16:35 <Kris> Logon succesfull, what now?
16:17:44 <Doug> You could look around. However the main stuff to see is when you are using the plug-in.
16:18:17 <Doug> If you have the plug-in installed you will see Plug-in as an option on the Settings - Site mode page.
16:18:19 <Kris> I'm just getting the logon page and nothing else
16:18:29 <Doug> If you don't have the plug-in installed that option won't show up.
16:18:43 <Kris> What option?
16:18:53 <Kris> What plugin?
16:19:13 <Doug> Click on the Gear icon at the top to get the settings notebook.
16:20:43 <Kris> Ugh?
16:20:45 <Doug> The plug-in runs a different user interface to the site, although it looks very similar to what you are seeing now.
16:20:56 <Doug> Is it also blank?
16:21:16 <Kris> I'm still at that logon page.
16:21:29 <Doug> When using the plug-in you can create, delete, move and copy folders on the left side,
16:22:03 <Doug> Add or modify HTML that is displayed in a folder, etc.
16:23:38 <WalterOS2> I'm back.
16:23:56 <Doug> Kris - have you gone back to www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
16:24:52 <Kris> No. Have I to?
16:25:13 <Doug> yes - because of the way we logged you in. You have to reload the main page.
16:26:33 <Kris> I'm at the gear thing now, and getting a blank page. I can see the source however.
16:27:16 <KenKrchnr> Doug, is plugin version 2.02 current?
16:27:23 <Doug> You can also run that page independent from the notebook. It is www.warpdoctor.org/settings_site.html
16:27:25 <WalterOS2> Something maybe messed up with Kris' browser or cache.
16:27:45 <Doug> let me look Ken.
16:28:12 <Doug> vers 2.04
16:28:36 <Doug> The latest version was uploaded Last Sun morning at the start of the meeting.
16:29:28 <Doug> To switch from JS to plug-in, click on the Plug-in radion button in the Settings notebook - Site Mode. THen click on Apply. Then reload the main page, i.e. www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
16:29:52 <Doug> That is also how you switch back, or to the more basic non-js mode.
16:30:33 <WalterOS2> Doug: What is the URL of your machine? My plugin is out of date.
16:31:09 <Doug> The lastest version is on www.warpdoctor.org. The file is wdRexxIn.wpi
16:31:42 <Doug> At least I think I uploaded it. Let me do that again just to make sure.
16:33:29 <Doug> ok its there. It is about 640k in size
16:35:50 <wdl> Doug: When I go to " www.warpdoctor.org ", I get a Lotus site. No Warpdoc stuff at all???
16:35:51 <KenKrchnr> Doug, which ip address did you check? ftp.warpdoctor.org shows 596K, dated 7-21-03
16:36:32 <Doug> It is the one we are currently using: 206.135.240.98
16:36:49 <Doug> wdl - you have to use www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
16:37:19 <Doug> wdl - I don't have it set up to automatically take you to the right place yet.
16:37:22 <KenKrchnr> ahh, only accessible to you and I. Can you u/l it to 206.135.240.102?
16:37:37 <Doug> Sure - just a second.
16:37:46 <wdl> Doug: Yes, I get *that* site fine. But the updated plug-in???
16:38:21 <KenKrchnr> Bill, Doug's u/l'ng now. Then go to ftp.warpdoctor.org to pick it up.
16:41:47 <Doug> Ken - I cann't change directories or send a file to 206.135.240.102
16:41:54 <WarpedOS2> yea...exactly...so what server was he connected to??
16:42:10 <KenKrchnr> OK, let me see if I can move it...
16:43:31 <Kris> Doug: I've closed mozilla 1.4 and launched opera/2. With opera/2 notebooks etc do show up. I'm at the gear thing now, and what next?
16:44:59 <KenKrchnr> OK, to get the new plugin, go to ftp://206.135.240.98
16:45:08 <Doug> The gear thing brings up the settings notebook. The page that works is the Site Mode. This is where you can switch viewing modes:
16:45:37 <Doug> You are currently in the JavaScript mode. You could switch to the basic non-js mode, or if you have the plug-in installed, to the plug-in mode.
16:46:01 <Doug> I have mot recently tested the plug-in with Opera so I don't know if it willl work with Opera.
16:46:01 <KenKrchnr> Then look for wdrexxin.wpi, if it's dated 8-31, you have the right one.
16:46:44 <Kris> ftp sever not available it says. And anyway, Opera too tells there are javascript errors.
16:47:52 <Kris> And the site shows very messy with opera/2
16:48:03 <KenKrchnr> Kris, try again now. I don't have that machine set up for too many users at once.
16:48:28 <Kris> Hmm, I've closed Opera/2 already
16:48:29 <Doug> Opera won't allow JS in one window to talk to another window. So I will have to rewrite some of the JS stuff to work with Opera.
16:49:34 <Kris> Started mozilla agian, and mozilla says there are to many users (421)
16:52:22 <KenKrchnr> OK, try again now
16:54:28 <Kris> I'm in now. What nexts?
16:54:53 <Doug> get file wdrexxin.wpi, download to a directory, double click on the file.
16:57:45 <Kris> Done. What now?
16:58:14 <Doug> If you double clicked on the WdRExxIn.wpi it should have installed the plug-in to your browsers.
16:58:42 <Doug> You can check that by opening a browser, go to Help - About Plug-ins and seeing if WarpDoctor Plug-in is listed.
16:58:44 <Kris> What's the name of that plugin?
16:59:00 <Doug> WarpDoctor Rexx Plug-in
16:59:36 <Doug> If it doesn't show up it probably wasn't installed to the browser. You can double click on WdRexxIn.wpi again and when you get to the
16:59:55 <Doug> page where where it shows the browsers, make sure that Mozilla is listed there.
17:00:27 <Doug> The page that shows the browsers is titled PACKAGES.
17:00:42 <Kris> It is not. Mind, I do have the setting SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers in my config
17:01:40 <Doug> OK - the warpin thingy looks in your os2.ini to find which browsers you have installed and where they are at.
17:02:06 <Doug> You can "enable" that last thing under browsers and manually specify the path where the Mozilla plugins to
17:02:15 <Kris> Not Ok, as the entry SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers is not in the os2.ini file
17:02:36 <Kris> What's the name of the file exactly?
17:02:47 <Doug> I still think it will work. Double click on the last - grayed out- icon under browsers.
17:03:05 <Doug> Then enter the path c:\internet\instekers in the install path box.
17:03:33 <Doug> Then click the Next button and finish the install.
17:03:44 <Doug> If that doesn't work we still have another alternative to use.
17:05:07 <Doug> The file you want int the plugins path is npwrpdoc.dll
17:10:42 <Kris> OK (or not so ok). The file had been installed in \netscape\program\plugins. IMho it would be more easy just to copy the file anyway.
17:11:22 <wdl> Doug: Got the .wpi file; thanks. Maybe it's my browser; I'm at Mozilla 1.3 still. I've got later versiopns, just not installed.
17:11:24 <Doug> The whole plugin package includes more that just that file.
17:11:58 <Doug> It should work with mozilla v 1.1 on.
17:12:13 <Doug> or at least 1.2 on.
17:12:16 <wdl> Doug: Yes, I knew that. I've got the whole shmear (earlier/est) version. Will pick up more later.
17:12:43 <Doug> ok
17:13:19 <KenKrchnr> OK, I have the plugin version working with Firebird 0.6.1 (with plugin support fix)
17:13:54 <Doug> ok - have you switch to plug-in mode by using the Plug-in option in the Settings - Site Mode page.
17:14:00 <Kris> The entry in the config pointed to the older _mozilla_plugin directory, not even the netscrape directory. Apparently the setting in the config.sys prevails to the entries in the ini file. So I don't think it's a good idea to use the os2.ini file for installing. Why not just a simple and easy copy action?
17:14:45 <KenKrchnr> Yup, works here. What should I look for?
17:15:06 <Doug> Kris - I will look at simpler install.
17:15:28 <Doug> Ken - right click on a folder. You should get a pop-up menu with a number of options.
17:16:09 <Kris> As a further comment. I'm using the entry SET MOZ_PLUGIN_PATH=C:\Internet\Instekers because that way mozilla, firebird and thunderbird always can use the same directory-plugins, an if necessary I can wipe out a M*, f* t* tree just like that.
17:16:15 <Doug> Or - you may want to be sure an be logged in first. The log in information is stored in a temporary cookie, so if you shut down the browser you will have to log in again.
17:17:28 <Doug> If you are not logged in the pop-up should say: Settings, Login, Open Folder, Help.
17:17:36 <Doug> The HELP doesn't work yet.
17:17:56 <Doug> When you login with the plug-in the toolbar should change to show a number of new icons.
17:19:31 <Doug> One the first things to check is the settings for the number of clicks it takes to open a folder.
17:19:36 <KenKrchnr> Yes, some new folder options, a clipboard and some others.
17:20:13 <Doug> Open the settings notebook (the gear in the toolbar) click on the Left Window tab, then on the Folder tab on the bottom.
17:20:44 <Doug> Change the Update content display setting to Single click.
17:21:27 <KenKrchnr> That works.
17:22:20 <Doug> The double click setting is useful when you are dragging or editing folders. You don't want to have the right side constantly updating as you select different folders.
17:23:16 <KenKrchnr> I forgot, which folder has some content?
17:23:55 <Doug> Download - Drivers - Video Cards... has a number of content items.
17:24:10 <KenKrchnr> Just found it :)
17:24:18 <Doug> Scroll down to the Matrox item and right click it.
17:25:16 <Doug> Then you can click Edit and view or change that item. You will notice that the Matrox item has a number of drivers associated with it.
17:25:56 <Doug> Most of those are URLs back to the Matrox site, but v 2.54 is actually stored as a blob in the database.
17:26:22 <Doug> Drivers can be stored as a URL, a disk file (accessible via FTP) or a blob in the database.
17:27:04 <Doug> The disk file is controlled via user defined functions (UDF) in DB2. When the database row is delete the UDF (DB2) deletes the file.
17:27:17 <Doug> If you rename the file name entry the file is renamed on disk.
17:27:36 <Doug> I fyou blank out the file name the file is deleted.
17:28:21 <Doug> A single drive can actually be stored as both URL and file/blob. That way if the URL becomes invalid we can still serve the file from our own archive.
17:28:33 <Doug> drive = driver
17:28:35 <KenKrchnr> And it even d/l's. The zip came thru fine.
17:28:52 <KenKrchnr> Has anybody else gotten to this page yet?
17:29:04 <Doug> Yes. You can also drag and drop a file to get it into the database.
17:29:07 <Kris> Yep, I'm there
17:29:21 <KenKrchnr> Looks pretty good to me.
17:30:04 <Doug> Go back to the Video Cards.. .folder - so that you are looking at the contents of the folder.
17:30:26 <KenKrchnr> There
17:30:38 <Doug> Scroll to the top of the right window. The text that appears at the top of the window is "folder HTML"
17:31:13 <Doug> Each folder can store HTML, in addition to contents. The folder HTML is added/changed with the white scroll looking icon, 6 in from the left.
17:31:40 <Doug> The HOME folder is an example of a folder that contains HTML but no contents.
17:32:38 <Doug> The contents that can be stored in a folder is determined by the CONTENTTYPE field for the folder. Right click on a folder and select Edit Folder from the pop-up to see that field.
17:33:00 <Doug> Or click on the Edit Folder icon - the folder with a pencil - in the toolbar.
17:33:09 <Kris> What folder is it about?
17:33:53 <Doug> The selected folder (the one hightlighted in the left side) is the one that is edited.
17:34:24 <Kris> I don't get it. What is the selected folder?
17:35:01 <Doug> If you are looking at the Download - Drivers - Video Cards... folder - that is the current folder.
17:35:22 <Doug> Do this. Open the edit Folder box - click on the folder with a pencil icon.
17:35:41 <Kris> Yes. On top I have "the video drivers are listed by ma*
17:36:06 <Doug> Then - leaving that dialog box open, click on different folders in the left side. The "edit box" will update with whatever folder you have clicked.
17:36:40 <Kris> Yes, I see
17:37:08 <Doug> To make changes you alt-click the right column in the edit box an type a new value.
17:37:24 <Kris> What changes?
17:37:43 <Doug> For example - change the title of one of the folders. See what happens.
17:38:11 <Doug> Or you can change the icon. Use a value between 1 and 4.
17:39:09 <Doug> Going back to the toolbar. You can change the folder list on the left side from tree mode to details mode by clicking the third icon from the left in the toolbar.
17:39:21 <Kris> Beats me
17:39:39 <Doug> Ken - are you following?
17:39:43 <Doug> Or anyone else?
17:40:17 <KenKrchnr> Yep, I just edited the text for video cards. Is that going to be only for me, or all?
17:40:38 <Doug> For everyone, regardless of browser or viewing mode.
17:41:06 <Doug> You can also drag a folder to a new location. If the folder has children they are all moved too.
17:41:40 <Kris> As far as I can see, I can't edit anything.
17:42:11 <Doug> If you want to move just a few of the children folders it is better to switch to details mode (third icon from left), and then one can select individual "children" to move.
17:42:29 <Doug> Kris - what happens when you try and change something?
17:43:19 <Kris> There is a rectangle around the ittem, Acer inc. for instance, and that's it
17:43:56 <Doug> When you right-click on Acer what happens?
17:44:47 <Kris> Menu "copy link location etc comes up
17:46:01 <Doug> Do you have the folder with a pencil icon in the toolbar?
17:46:26 <Kris> I hate toolbars. Disabled them
17:47:29 <KenKrchnr> I have to go away for a bit. Back in about 15 minutes.
17:47:40 <Doug> If you are using the plug-in you should have icons across the top: gear, square with little tiny folders, square with line, folder with plus sign, folder with pencil, etc.
17:51:25 <Kris> On top I have keys, gear, soemthing something, an insect at google searcg at right hand. And according to about:plugins npwrpdoc.dll is installed and active
17:52:01 <Doug> ok - you have the plug-in installed but you haven't switch to the plug-in mode.
17:52:25 <Doug> Click on the gear - on the Site mode page select Plug-in, then click on the Apply button.
17:53:12 <Doug> If you can't get the page to show up (I know you are having problems with the notebook) - then use www.warpdoctor.org/settings_site.html.
17:53:42 <Doug> After you click on the Plug-in and Apply button, then go back to www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
17:54:01 <Doug> You should the additional icons across the top.
17:59:11 <Kris> No, no change.
17:59:52 <Doug> Ok hang on a second.
18:00:08 <wdl> Doug: Ditto here "...no change."
18:01:29 <Doug> ok try this: www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/warpdoc_menu.exe?!cmd=31
18:02:22 <Doug> Then tell me what happens
18:03:37 <Kris> I'm having the two colums with nothing in it.
18:03:55 <Doug> which irc are you using?
18:04:08 <Doug> irc client that is.
18:04:24 <Kris> What0s an irc client
18:04:45 <Doug> What did you do to connect to this meeting?
18:06:38 <Kris> I've opened the GTU irc, typed /server irc.fyrelizard.com and then /join warpdoctor
18:07:00 <Kris> That is /join #warpdoctor
18:07:38 <Doug> Ok - you are using GTU. Try shutting down the GTU, reloading the page, and then re-joining the meeting. There may be a conflict between your IRC client and the plug-in.
18:07:43 <Doug> There is for me.
18:07:57 <Doug> Bill - are you seeing anything?
18:08:41 <KenKrchnr> I'm back. Doug, in Mozilla 1.4 I see the same thing as Kris, no info, just the split bar.
18:09:26 <wdl> Doug: Same as Kris. But, ...I too am using GTU. Don't weant to shut it down right now. Actually - don't want to twist my dialer's tail. I'm downloading Innotek JDK..... ;-)
18:09:57 <Doug> Ken - what else do you have running?
18:11:10 <Kris> Doug: not the slightest difference. The *.exe page comes up almost blank, the home page doesn't show the additional tools.
18:11:52 <KenKrchnr> It's strange, it works in Firebird, but not Mozilla 1.4
18:12:16 <Doug> Thanks for trying Kris. What happens is that either the browser, the plug-in, or DrRexx conflicts with something that is running on the machine.
18:12:28 <Kris> OK. I00l shutdown mozilla and launch the firething
18:12:52 <Doug> Probably a DLL. I experience conflicts with ez_IRC, LXPM and VAC++ v 4
18:13:08 <Doug> Ken - try it again in FireBird.
18:13:56 <KenKrchnr> I just did, it works fine, and the page source looks identical.
18:14:31 <Doug> Hummmm.
18:14:38 <Kris> Same as in plain mozilla here, No changes
18:14:47 <Doug> It works with both Mozilla and Firebird here.
18:15:22 <Doug> Kris - tomorrow morning, or the next time you reboot - try to access the site first, after you reboot, before you do anything else.
18:15:42 <Kris> If I knew what to do , I could start the mozilla irc
18:15:55 <Doug> Use the www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/warpdoc_menu.exe?!mcd=31 URL. Then please email with what happens.
18:16:36 <Kris> Say again please
18:16:38 <Doug> oops www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/warpdoc_menu.exe?!cmd=31
18:16:43 <KenKrchnr> It won't work without changing the hosts file. After the meeting I'll be switching www.warpdoctor.org back to the primary server.
18:17:22 <Doug> Ok - Kris - any chance I could get you to reboot and then try the url?
18:17:40 <Kris> If you are patient enough
18:18:15 <Doug> ok - sorry to ask this, but if you could do that it would help. I will wait.
18:19:11 <Doug> What version of Mozilla are you running Ken.
18:19:29 <Doug> nevermind you said above.
18:19:31 <Kris> Please, not two things at a time. It's already difficult enough
18:19:48 <KenKrchnr> 1.4 GA
18:20:05 <Doug> Kris - try rebooting, then immediately try the
18:20:17 <Doug> www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/warpdoc_menu.exe?!cmd=31
18:20:27 <Doug> Then get back on IRC and tell us what happens.
18:20:31 <Doug> If that is OK.
18:21:09 <MADodel> Doug: What date should be the plugin you want us using? I d/ld the latest wdRexxin.wpi but the plugin is dated 8/14
18:22:04 <Doug> Mark - where are you looking at the date?
18:23:05 <MADodel> With Mozilla 1.5b I get "#Error, Instance handle specified in ReleaseInstance=0 does not exist."
18:23:26 <MADodel> File date on npwrpdoc.dll
18:24:52 <Doug> That error message is my message. If comes from when one plug-in app is trying to communication with another one, in this case probably the toolbar is sending a message to the folder list.
18:25:06 <Doug> Let me check the date for npwrpdoc.dll
18:25:52 <MADodel> So its supposed to be doing that?
18:26:01 <Doug> No it is not.
18:27:29 <Doug> 8/14 is the correct date.
18:28:06 <MADodel> OK, then maybe its 1.5b
18:28:09 <Doug> Does the error message say anything else, in the title of the dialog box>
18:28:44 <Doug> I will try v 1.5b tomorrow or tues. I have been using IBM web sever and FireBird recently.
18:28:54 <MADodel> Just "WarpDoctor REXX Plug-in"
18:29:22 <Doug> When do you get the error message?
18:30:08 <MADodel> When I click on links in the folder tree
18:30:37 <MADodel> Same when I click on links in the display window
18:31:44 <Doug> Can you get anything to show up in the right side?
18:31:59 <MADodel> Yes it does after I get the error message twice
18:33:05 <Doug> how fast of machine doyou have?
18:33:27 <MADodel> P4 2.4GHz
18:34:29 <Doug> In your warpdoctor folder - do you have PmPrintf.exe and PmPrintf.dll?
18:34:39 <MADodel> yes
18:35:04 <MADodel> Do I need to reboot after installing this?
18:35:07 <Doug> could you copy the pmprintf.dll to somewhere on your libpath.
18:35:11 <Doug> No you dont.
18:35:19 <Doug> Then start pmprintf.exe
18:35:35 <Doug> The right click in the left window and select run on debugging,
18:35:43 <Doug> Then try clicking on the Links folder.
18:36:12 <Doug> Then send me the debug output. I will tell you how in a minute.
18:36:35 <Doug> run on debugging should be Turn on debugging.
18:36:42 <MADodel> Actually I have pmprintf.dll but not pmprintf.exe
18:37:10 <MADodel> I have wdRunRX.exe
18:37:15 <Doug> Ken - are you still here?
18:37:21 <KenKrchnr> Yes
18:37:37 <Doug> If I upload pmprintf.exe, could you move it to the ftp server ?
18:38:04 <KenKrchnr> Can you u/l to 206.135.240.102?
18:38:22 <Doug> I havent been able to. I will try again.
18:39:02 <Doug> Nope, it won't let me change directories or upload.
18:39:16 <Doug> Wait - I can email it to mark.
18:39:28 <KenKrchnr> Ok, how big is the file?
18:40:03 <Doug> not that big. Let me check.
18:40:19 <Doug> 53k
18:40:29 <Doug> Ok mark _ i emailed you pmprintf.exe
18:40:59 <MADodel> thanks
18:41:15 <Doug> See if you can start that. I may have to send you the help file also.
18:41:32 <MADodel> got it
18:42:16 <MADodel> can't locate PMPRINTF.HLP file
18:42:30 <Doug> ok - I'll send you that in a sec.
18:42:47 <MADodel> It did start after I clicked on the error messages
18:43:07 <Doug> oh - I just sent the help file. Its 93k
18:44:47 <Doug> After you click on the LInks folder and get the error message, you can save the output from the PmPrintf.exe window.
18:45:26 <Doug> Click on Actions - Display Messages - Write to log file. A file will be created on you boot drive call c:\pmprintf.log
18:45:38 <Doug> If you can email me that file I would appreciate it.
18:47:02 <MADodel> My C:\ is a read only NTFS
18:47:33 <Doug> c:\ is whatever is your boot drive. At least that what I think it uses.
18:47:46 <MADodel> No it was using C:\
18:47:52 <Kris> Still anyone there?
18:47:56 <Doug> Thanks kris
18:48:01 <Doug> for trying the reboot.
18:48:04 <MADodel> I changed it to E:\
18:48:05 <Doug> Did it work?
18:48:10 <Kris> What now?
18:48:14 <KenKrchnr> Doug, you should be able to access 206.135.240.102 now -
18:48:24 <Doug> THanks ken
18:48:42 <Doug> Kris - did you try to get to www.warpdoctor.org/warpdoc_menu.exe?!cmd=31
18:49:05 <MADodel> Should it be writing something into the PMPrintf window?
18:49:09 <Kris> No. Should I now?
18:49:19 <Doug> Kris - please
18:49:31 <MADodel> Doug: you going to make it to Warpstock this year?
18:49:56 <Doug> Mark - after you click on Turn on Debugging, something should be written to the PmPrintf window each time you click on a folder.
18:50:18 <MADodel> WHere is Turn on Debugging?
18:50:22 <Doug> Yes - I am bringing the whole family. We will vacation in SF after WS.
18:50:33 <MADodel> Great
18:50:53 <Doug> right click on a folder in the left window. You should see Turn on Debugging from the pop-up menu.
18:51:18 <Kris> Doug: error 404
18:51:33 <MADodel> No turn on debugging I can see
18:51:53 <Doug> click on the keys - you need to logon for that to show up in the menu.
18:52:06 <Doug> Kris - type ping www.warpdoctor.org and tell me what you get.
18:52:22 <Doug> ken - are you remapping .102 to .98 at your firewall?
18:52:37 <KenKrchnr> Yes, it's still remapped.
18:52:53 <KenKrchnr> But only for port 80 (http)
18:52:56 <Kris> Doug: Lotus Dominino
18:52:56 <Doug> Kris - the ping is from a command prompt window.
18:52:58 <MADodel> Sorry but its not there. I logged on again just to make sure
18:53:37 <KenKrchnr> Doug, I get the 404 error too if I use the link you gave Kris.
18:53:56 <Kris> PING voice2.warpdoctor.org: 56 data bytes
18:53:56 <Kris> 64 bytes from 206.135.240.102: icmp_seq=0. time=110. ms
18:54:00 <Doug> oops my fault. I left part out.
18:54:14 <Doug> www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/warpdoc_menu.exe?!cmd=31
18:54:23 <Doug> I left out the /cgi-bin/ part
18:54:47 <Doug> Kris - try the URL.
18:54:58 <Doug> Mark - what icons do you see across the top?
18:55:26 <Kris> Doug: as before: two colums filled with blank
18:55:43 <MADodel> Keys, a sprocket, an I or something and a Bug.
18:56:30 <Doug> Kris - I am sorry. You are using mozilla v 1.4 aren't you?
18:57:05 <Kris> Yes I am. 1.4 GA
18:57:22 <Doug> Mark - try logging on again please.
18:57:29 <Doug> Kris - do you have netscape?
18:58:10 <Kris> hmm, I've disabled entries in the config etc...
18:59:39 <Doug> Mark - could you try and logon again? If you successfully log the icons should change.
18:59:52 <Doug> You should see 7 or 8 new icons at the top.
18:59:55 <MADodel> Gotta go. My son pulled the towel rack off the wall
19:00:04 <MADodel> BBIAB
19:00:08 <MADodel> I hope
19:00:10 <Doug> Ok - goodbye
19:00:21 <Doug> Kris - is netscape disabled?
19:00:41 <Kris> Depends on what you want me to do
19:01:15 <Doug> If you could copy the npwprdoc.dll to your netscape plugins directory, and try the site with netscape.
19:01:44 <Kris> What url exactly?
19:02:11 <Doug> www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/warpdoc_menu.exe?!cmd=31
19:04:12 <Kris> Netscapre gives me 2 blank colums as well
19:05:07 <Doug> ok thanks for trying. I suspect there is a conflict between you GTU and the plug-in.
19:05:32 <KenKrchnr> With NS, if I go into www.warpdoctor.org/home.html it loads, with the cmd=31 it just gives the split bar.
19:05:32 <Doug> I will try and investigate this more this week. Where did your get the GTU IRC?
19:06:07 <Doug> ok - then Kris - please try the www.warpdoctor.org/home.html from netscape.
19:06:25 <Kris> Ages ago. Don't recall really. BMT micor perhaps, but not sure. Nobody cares to guid eme trough mozilla irc?
19:06:53 <Doug> Hang on.
19:07:07 <KenKrchnr> sure, is Mozilla running?
19:07:10 <Doug> Ken- how does Kris use the Mozilla IRC?
19:07:55 <Doug> my daughter says hello to everyone
19:08:13 <KenKrchnr> Kris, have you ever set Chatzilla options?
19:08:16 <Kris> Pay her my regards
19:08:25 <Doug> ok - my wife says I have to go.
19:08:38 <Kris> Ken: yes, and it ended in a mess
19:08:44 <Doug> I will try and find GTU this week and see if I can duplicate the problem.
19:08:49 <Doug> See ya all next week.