07-20-03 15:15:33 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session.
07-20-03 15:17:13 <Rat-Salad> hello
07-20-03 15:18:02 <WalterOS2> Hi RS: just sent you an email, which you can now ignore. :-)
07-20-03 15:18:11 <Rat-Salad> hehe
07-20-03 15:19:06 <WalterOS2> Under OLD BUSINESS
07-20-03 15:19:29 <WalterOS2> Let's look at 1. DNS & Domain status
07-20-03 15:19:59 <WalterOS2> a. Network Solutions - Walter
07-20-03 15:20:24 <WalterOS2> I've sent in the fax, but haven't heard back from them yet.
07-20-03 15:20:57 <WalterOS2> b. Names4ever: Jeremy - what does that look like now?
07-20-03 15:22:52 <Rat-Salad> im on the phone
07-20-03 15:23:13 <Rat-Salad> everything is all set with bother registrars
07-20-03 15:23:36 <WalterOS2> Could you please give the details?
07-20-03 15:23:54 <Rat-Salad> everything is using Ken's account
07-20-03 15:25:05 <KenKrchnr> That's for the nameservers. I think Walter means the registrar contact entries?
07-20-03 15:25:24 <WalterOS2> Right.
07-20-03 15:26:09 <WalterOS2> Jeremy: You said "both registers"--which ones?
07-20-03 15:26:55 <WalterOS2> registrars
07-20-03 15:27:01 <Rat-Salad> all domain names point to the dns Ken has provided
07-20-03 15:27:06 <Rat-Salad> thats what i meant
07-20-03 15:28:28 <WalterOS2> Exactly what is in the Names4ever account?
07-20-03 15:28:51 <Rat-Salad> os2voice.com
07-20-03 15:29:01 <Rat-Salad> the rest are at network solutions
07-20-03 15:29:31 <WalterOS2> OK, that clears things up a little.
07-20-03 15:30:38 <WalterOS2> I'm still a little confused on how we are using Ken's account.
07-20-03 15:30:50 <KenKrchnr> I can answer that -
07-20-03 15:30:57 <WalterOS2> Is this a new account Ken set up for VOICE2
07-20-03 15:30:59 <WalterOS2> ?
07-20-03 15:31:29 <KenKrchnr> The account is one I had setup for one of my domains. The account can have up to 50 domains.
07-20-03 15:32:01 <WalterOS2> OK, I'm beginning to really understand now. :-)
07-20-03 15:32:12 <KenKrchnr> I set up the voice names just to get something going while we were discussing what was going to be done.
07-20-03 15:32:22 <WalterOS2> I'll just have to mull it over in mind awhile.
07-20-03 15:32:45 <WalterOS2> I remember.
07-20-03 15:32:59 <KenKrchnr> I have no problem with voice using the account, I just don't want anyone to think I am forcing that provider.
07-20-03 15:33:37 <WalterOS2> I certainly don't feel that way.
07-20-03 15:33:38 <KenKrchnr> If it is decided to stay there, I'll give othe rpeople the password (Jeremy already has it).
07-20-03 15:34:12 <KenKrchnr> I just ask that noone change my one domain left there ;)
07-20-03 15:34:38 <Rat-Salad> hehehe
07-20-03 15:34:52 <WalterOS2> I wonder why you want that?
07-20-03 15:34:57 <Rat-Salad> you can trust me Ken.. I won't touch your property :)
07-20-03 15:35:31 <KenKrchnr> Well, it's really only a mail domain setup for reverse dns lookups. Not one of my primary domains ;)
07-20-03 15:35:49 <WalterOS2> Probably just as well.
07-20-03 15:36:26 <WalterOS2> That way if something disastrous does occur with VOICE, your system won't totally go down.
07-20-03 15:37:03 <KenKrchnr> Yeah, I thought about that before setting things up ;-)
07-20-03 15:37:11 <WalterOS2> :-)
07-20-03 15:38:03 <WalterOS2> OK, let's move on.
07-20-03 15:38:20 <WalterOS2> Section B: New Business
07-20-03 15:38:45 <WalterOS2> 1. Status of Warpdoctor--Doug
07-20-03 15:39:05 <WalterOS2> Have you started running WD on your server?
07-20-03 15:39:22 <Doug> The ip address for this week is 69.3.127.217
07-20-03 15:39:36 <WalterOS2> ip of the week. :-)
07-20-03 15:39:54 <Doug> You should get the plug-in from ftp://206.135.240.102/home/anonymous/wdRexxin.wpi
07-20-03 15:40:25 <Doug> You can use the 69... IP address to view the javascript version - by typing in
07-20-03 15:40:36 <Doug> http://69.3.127.217/home.html
07-20-03 15:41:02 <Doug> To use the plug-in you will have to edit your HOSTS file and change (or add) the entry for www.warpdoctor.org so that it like like this
07-20-03 15:41:16 <Doug> 69.3.127.217   www.warpdoctor.org
07-20-03 15:41:32 <Doug> When you get done looking at the development site, be sure to remove that line from your HOSTS file
07-20-03 15:42:10 <Doug> I did not get nearly all the stuff done that I wanted to get done, but this should give everyone a view for how it looks, and to an extent, how it operates
07-20-03 15:42:39 <Doug> To view using Javascript you must be using a Mozilla based browser. I haven't put in the code for Netscape yet.
07-20-03 15:43:02 <Doug> Also - the logon screen doesn't work in the javascript version unless the HOSTS file is changed. I am looking at that.
07-20-03 15:43:36 <Doug> I ran up against some problems with compression, that stymied me this week. If anyone can help I would appreciate it.
07-20-03 15:43:47 <KenKrchnr> Doug, is that a new plugin from a few weeks ago?
07-20-03 15:44:12 <Doug> Yes - latest and greatest. And you need the fixes, updates in the latest version. I believe it is v 2.02
07-20-03 15:44:36 <Doug> compression problem: I store HTML, etc. in both compressed and uncompressed forms in the database.
07-20-03 15:45:02 <Doug> when serving to a browser that cannot handle Content-Encoding: gzip, I serve the uncompressed stuff
07-20-03 15:45:05 <Doug> Works file.
07-20-03 15:45:31 <Doug> When serving to a browser that supports that encoding, I want to serve the compressed stream. But it comes out all funky
07-20-03 15:45:53 <Doug> Some of the smaller pages look fine. Pages larger than about 2k come out weird.
07-20-03 15:45:54 <WalterOS2> Doug: I can't access URL ftp://206.135.240.102/home/anonymous/wdRexxin.wpi.
07-20-03 15:46:14 <Doug> I would appreciate any thoughts or help on the matter.
07-20-03 15:46:32 <WalterOS2> I keep getting 550 Cannot change directory.
07-20-03 15:47:06 <Doug> Try just tying in the FTP address first. Then see if it lets you change directories. That IP address is VOICE1
07-20-03 15:47:06 <KenKrchnr> Walter - try ftp://www.warpdoctor.org
07-20-03 15:47:39 <WalterOS2> OK
07-20-03 15:47:42 <Doug> It is also on my machine in the same relative location, but it will download faster from VOICE1
07-20-03 15:47:51 <KenKrchnr> That should put you right into anonymous directory
07-20-03 15:48:10 <KenKrchnr> Ummm, Doug, that address is voice2 ;)
07-20-03 15:48:10 <WalterOS2> That worked.
07-20-03 15:48:14 <Doug> Currently - and this will change - if the plugin is installed in the browser, the plug-in is used. If the plug-in is not installed, the javascript version is used.
07-20-03 15:48:31 <Doug> That will be configurable soon in the user settings.
07-20-03 15:49:36 <Doug> Ken - is it. I just pinged www.warpdoctor.org and that is what came back.
07-20-03 15:50:28 <KenKrchnr> Yes, voice2 is online testing for a week or so until you're ready to test against Apache 2.0
07-20-03 15:50:48 <KenKrchnr> (only for Warpdoctor)
07-20-03 15:51:01 <Doug> Once you have run in the WarpIn  install program you can remove the plug-in from the browser by deleting the file NPWRPDOC.DLL from the browser's plugin directory. To reinstall just put the file back. Be sure to make a copy of it to restore,
07-20-03 15:51:12 <Doug> or you will have to re-run the WarpIn install program.
07-20-03 15:51:26 <NielsJ> Just got the plugin from www.warpdoctor.org using FTP-PM
07-20-03 15:51:28 <Doug> Ken - good.
07-20-03 15:53:29 <WalterOS2> Doug: What about my problem? I still can't see your site/page. :-(
07-20-03 15:53:49 <Doug> Using the plug-in you mean?
07-20-03 15:54:19 <WalterOS2> ftp://www.warpdoctor.org does work either.
07-20-03 15:54:49 <Doug> you mean it doesn't work?
07-20-03 15:54:56 <WalterOS2> I do the get top level directory, but no subdirectories.
07-20-03 15:55:15 <Doug> See if the file wdRexxIn.WPI is in the top directory
07-20-03 15:55:19 <WalterOS2> sorry, doesn't work
07-20-03 15:55:28 <KenKrchnr> Walter, that should be the anonymous directory. You should find the .wpi listed there.
07-20-03 15:56:00 <WalterOS2> Yes, I see it there.
07-20-03 15:56:57 <Doug> Sorry walter. I was confused. the home/anonymous directory is what you are put in when you sign on as anonymous
07-20-03 15:58:41 <Doug> If you want to look at the administration tools, use http://www.warpdoctor.org/adminx.html
07-20-03 15:59:08 <Doug> To see the Tables in the TABLES tab you will have to have the plug-in installed. Otherwise you can see the other tabs.
07-20-03 15:59:25 <Doug> A user ID and password that will get you in is: uid=****, pwd=xxx
07-20-03 15:59:51 <Doug> Please don't shut down DB2 or stop the connection manager while you are in there.
07-20-03 16:00:58 <KenKrchnr> This is on real warpdoctor or redirected warpdoctor?
07-20-03 16:01:03 <Doug> There isn't much data in there, I expected to have more done. But you can see some items in the
07-20-03 16:01:12 <Doug> Download  - Drivers - Video folder.
07-20-03 16:01:24 <Doug> The re-directed www.warpdoctor.org
07-20-03 16:01:56 <Doug> (well actually, an older version is still on the real warpdoctor, but it won't work with Mozilla based browsers)
07-20-03 16:02:20 <Doug> I had to re-write the code for the notebook control to work with Mozilla.
07-20-03 16:05:59 <Doug> On the JS version - the code and data that makes the folders work on the left side is about 60K. It would be nice to send that as compressed. The home page would open faster.
07-20-03 16:06:39 <Doug> The DrRexx application that handles the left side - the folders - is about 55K compressed, and it retrieves about 10K of data from the database to build the folders container.
07-20-03 16:07:18 <WalterOS2> Somehow my #warpdoctor window was collapsed (/leave) when I tried to install the plugin. :-(
07-20-03 16:07:36 <Doug> Oops.
07-20-03 16:07:52 <WalterOS2> Doug: Does the plugin support Mozilla 1.3?
07-20-03 16:08:13 <Doug> That is what I test it with. That and IBM Web browser.
07-20-03 16:08:23 <Doug> and ... Netscape 4.61
07-20-03 16:08:27 <WalterOS2> It's weird.
07-20-03 16:08:51 <WalterOS2> It found NS 4.61 which I have and IWB which I don't have.
07-20-03 16:09:12 <WalterOS2> And when I tried to make it recognize Mozilla, it wouldn't.
07-20-03 16:09:25 <Doug> I think it looks in OS2.INI for entries for the browsers.
07-20-03 16:09:35 <WalterOS2> Any brilliant ideas? :-)
07-20-03 16:10:05 <Doug> You can install to NS 4.61, and then move or copy the file NPWRPDOC.DLL from the plugins directory of NS to Mozilla.
07-20-03 16:10:23 <Doug> For netscape the plugins directory is c:\netscape\programs\plugins
07-20-03 16:10:43 <Doug> Or with ecs 1.1 it is c:\programs\netscape\programs\plugins
07-20-03 16:10:57 <Doug> The mozilla plugins directory is also called PLUGINS
07-20-03 16:11:20 <Doug> But you might want to look at the site first before you install the plug-in, to see what it looks like in JS
07-20-03 16:11:52 <WalterOS2> OK, I'll do that.
07-20-03 16:12:19 <WalterOS2> BTW the INI files contained NS 4.61 and Mozilla and not IWB.
07-20-03 16:12:40 <Doug> The JS version does not restrict the folders shown in the folder list yet. The bottom two folders should only be visible to those people that have access authority after they log in.
07-20-03 16:12:47 <Doug> The plug-in handles that correctly
07-20-03 16:13:18 <Doug> The bottom folder is just somewhere that we could put stuff in that we wanted to only be visible to VOICE or WD members.
07-20-03 16:13:51 <Doug> The special folder above that is used ( or will be used) to store information that needs to be in the database but does not appear in the folder structure.
07-20-03 16:14:05 <Doug> Like help screens for the editor and other plug-in screens.
07-20-03 16:14:07 <WalterOS2> What URL are we looking at?
07-20-03 16:14:32 <WalterOS2> I've gotten just a wee bit behind. :-)
07-20-03 16:14:43 <Doug> To view the site as JS, enter http://69.3.127.217/home.html
07-20-03 16:15:14 <Doug> In order to use the logon screen, you will have to modify your HOSTS file to make that IP address point to www.warpdoctor.org
07-20-03 16:15:34 <Doug> the other icons don't work yet in the JS version.
07-20-03 16:18:03 <Doug> If you are using the plug-in, you can add folders, move folders, delete folders, and enter HTML for a folder.
07-20-03 16:18:27 <Doug> The other "content types" screens have not been put in yet.
07-20-03 16:18:27 <eCSNL> Sorry to interrupt was doing some other things... at which agenda poijnt is the meeting ?
07-20-03 16:18:39 <eCSNL> B1 ?
07-20-03 16:20:27 <NielsJ> Yes, B1 = Status of Warpdoctor
07-20-03 16:21:40 <KenKrchnr> Doug, Is it Lotus Go webserver at the first screen?
07-20-03 16:22:22 <Doug> Did you enter the address without the HOME.HTML ?
07-20-03 16:22:42 <KenKrchnr> I have http://www.warpdoctor.org
07-20-03 16:22:55 <KenKrchnr> (with plugin)
07-20-03 16:23:28 <Doug> Yeah - it is the configuration screen. type httP:/www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
07-20-03 16:23:31 <Doug> You need the HOME.HTML
07-20-03 16:23:48 <Doug> Sorry - I have not configured the server to automatically take you to the correct page.
07-20-03 16:25:09 <KenKrchnr> OK, I gottum.
07-20-03 16:25:19 <Doug> Lotus GO, and I assume APache, will detect browsers and server up a different welcome page based on the browser. When I configure that we can avoid the HOME.HTML page, which basically does just that
07-20-03 16:30:11 <WalterOS2> Doug: when I first loaded http://69.3.127.217/home.html, I got a memory error when the plugin tried to load.
07-20-03 16:30:49 <WalterOS2> I have copied the files into the Mozilla /plugin directory as you said.
07-20-03 16:31:02 <Doug> If you are using the plug-in, you will have to edit you HOSTS file so that www.warpdoctor.org points to 69.3.127.217
07-20-03 16:31:06 <WalterOS2> Not one of my days. :-(
07-20-03 16:31:24 <WalterOS2> better days.
07-20-03 16:31:26 <Doug> And then you will have to use http://www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
07-20-03 16:31:29 <NielsJ> Doug: do you us to report small bugs to you by e-mail?
07-20-03 16:31:52 <NielsJ> e.g. folders that have strange content
07-20-03 16:32:09 <Doug> Yeah - I believe there is rexxplugin@os2voice.org
07-20-03 16:32:13 <Doug> that you can use. 
07-20-03 16:32:18 <Doug> Which folder(s)?
07-20-03 16:34:19 <Doug> hang on - I am testing the rexxplugin@os2voice.org to see if it works.
07-20-03 16:34:29 <NielsJ> e.g. folder Links > Manufacturers
07-20-03 16:35:54 <WalterOS2> Doug: Just changed hosts file, and tried to access the page.  Results were the same.
07-20-03 16:36:11 <Doug> Yeah - sorry. I have not written the output or input screens for LINKS, or PUBLICATIONS, or most of the other content yet.
07-20-03 16:36:46 <Doug> walter - can you email me the error message.
07-20-03 16:37:06 <Doug> Nielsj - you have my email address from what I sent you last week. Use that.
07-20-03 16:37:18 <WalterOS2> Will do.
07-20-03 16:37:28 <NielsJ> I will use that.
07-20-03 16:38:58 <Doug> I need to give you guys logon IDs. I see that NEW USER page doesn't work in the plug-in, but it does in the JS version. Sigh..
07-20-03 16:41:23 <Doug> ok - rexxplugin@os2voice.org does work. You can send me mail at that address, or my other email address it you have it.
07-20-03 16:43:55 <WalterOS2> Any other problems/solutions/comments about the Plugin?
07-20-03 16:44:08 <WalterOS2> I have one. :-)
07-20-03 16:44:25 <Doug> shoot
07-20-03 16:44:52 <WalterOS2> I guess the testing is sort of down until some of the problems with the plug-in, if that's what they are, are resolved.
07-20-03 16:45:03 <WalterOS2> What do think?
07-20-03 16:45:29 <WalterOS2> I mean the parallel testing of WD on your server.
07-20-03 16:45:47 <Doug> NielsJ got it to work, you did not. 
07-20-03 16:46:00 <Doug> I will work with you to try and see what the problem is.
07-20-03 16:46:00 <KenKrchnr> I got it to work as well.
07-20-03 16:46:09 <Doug> Good.
07-20-03 16:46:16 <WalterOS2> OK, that's better
07-20-03 16:46:26 <NielsJ> I am not using the plugin - pure JS with Mozilla 1.4
07-20-03 16:46:32 <Doug> Oh - sorry NielsJ
07-20-03 16:46:34 <WalterOS2> I've been away from the screen alot with my various problems.
07-20-03 16:46:39 <WalterOS2> :-(
07-20-03 16:46:39 <KenKrchnr> I tried both.
07-20-03 16:47:02 <WalterOS2> Ken, were you using the plugin?
07-20-03 16:47:16 <Doug> Really though, I need to add some more of the data entry screens, such as HCL, before we can do much.
07-20-03 16:47:21 <KenKrchnr> I used both, first javascript, then plugin.
07-20-03 16:47:53 <Doug> I hoped to have those done this weekend, but they are not. So perhaps we should delay the testing a bit.
07-20-03 16:48:01 <WalterOS2> What versions/type of browsers?
07-20-03 16:48:14 <KenKrchnr> With Mozilla 1.4, then plugin with Firebird (after Mozilla).
07-20-03 16:48:52 <WalterOS2> I was using Mozilla 1.3; wonder if that's a factor.
07-20-03 16:49:01 <KenKrchnr> What did you see?
07-20-03 16:49:26 <WalterOS2> I ran 1.4 for awhile, and it gave me so much grieve, I went back to 1.3.
07-20-03 16:49:42 <WalterOS2> grieve=grief
07-20-03 16:49:50 <Doug> Sorry - I thought I was using 1.3, but now that I look I am using 1.4
07-20-03 16:49:57 <WalterOS2> Maybe I'll try Firebird.
07-20-03 16:50:15 <Doug> The version of Mozilla shouldn't make much different for the plug-in. I think we have another problem.
07-20-03 16:50:32 <KenKrchnr> What happened when you tried to connect?
07-20-03 16:51:15 <WalterOS2> In any case, I shouldn't let my bad experience today unduly influence the decision to continue the testing.
07-20-03 16:51:45 <eCSNL> Mr chairman, what is the scheduled time for a Warpdoctor meeting ?
07-20-03 16:51:52 <eCSNL> 2 hours or is there no time frame ?
07-20-03 16:52:03 <WalterOS2> 2 hours
07-20-03 16:52:35 <WalterOS2> But I'm really flexible as to the agenda if that's what's concerning you. :-)
07-20-03 16:53:04 <Doug> How late is it there Rodrick?
07-20-03 16:53:07 <WalterOS2> However, we've really gone to B2
07-20-03 16:53:29 <eCSNL> 22:54
07-20-03 16:53:30 <NielsJ> It is almost 11 PM!
07-20-03 16:53:33 <eCSNL> So thats not the problem...
07-20-03 16:53:41 <WalterOS2> B2: Current status of DB2 engine, etc.
07-20-03 16:53:44 <eCSNL> 11Pm is no problem....
07-20-03 16:53:59 <WalterOS2> a: What's the next step?
07-20-03 16:54:25 <Doug> The Db2 engine is done, for the purposes of Warpdoctor. I would like to compile for straight ODBC, but that won't affect WD
07-20-03 16:54:58 <WalterOS2> Doug: you want to add some data before we continue, is that right?
07-20-03 16:55:05 <Doug> (unless we discover some bugs when we run the site under heavy use)
07-20-03 16:55:29 <Doug> Yeah - let me finish some more stuff, before you all spend too much time on it.
07-20-03 16:55:51 <WalterOS2> Pardon my memory, but I forget what ODBC is. <blush>
07-20-03 16:56:25 <Doug> It is an API that provides for access to any database that recognizes the API.
07-20-03 16:56:37 <KenKrchnr> Open Data Base Connectivity
07-20-03 16:56:43 <Doug> The DB2 engine stuff is written to the ODBC API, but compiled for DB2
07-20-03 16:56:53 <WalterOS2> OK
07-20-03 16:56:55 <Doug> which allows us to use 2 special functions that DB2 provides
07-20-03 16:56:59 <eCSNL> I would almost translate that as Open Data Bug Control :-)
07-20-03 16:57:11 <eCSNL> SOrry for saying so... I have no experience what so ever, but are you using the ODBC
07-20-03 16:57:19 <eCSNL> that is also supplied with
07-20-03 16:57:26 <eCSNL> Smartsuite....
07-20-03 16:57:42 <eCSNL> I have heard 2 people about it, and there experience where not to best :-(
07-20-03 16:58:14 <Doug> Yes - the ODBC drivers supplied with Smart Suite won't work with other applications, other than ours.
07-20-03 16:58:25 <WalterOS2> Is it ODBC or DB2 that allows you the special functions?
07-20-03 16:58:31 <eCSNL> AHaaa oke
07-20-03 16:58:36 <eCSNL> I said nothing :-)
07-20-03 16:58:43 <Doug> And some of the ODBC function calls used by Lotus asre not supported by some drivers, such as PostGresql
07-20-03 16:59:17 <Doug> Db2 has 2 functions that copy data from a file to a blob, and from a blob  to a file. I use those when the code is compiled for DB2.
07-20-03 16:59:39 <Doug> When it is compiled for straight ODBC, I substitute my own version for those functions.
07-20-03 16:59:49 <Doug> Other than that, it works the same.
07-20-03 16:59:52 <Doug> for both
07-20-03 17:00:10 <WalterOS2> In your opinion is ODBC better than DB2, and if so, why?
07-20-03 17:00:23 <WalterOS2> Sounds like a high school question. :-)
07-20-03 17:01:03 <Doug> ODBC provides a bridge between an application and a database. The database can be DB2, or many other databases, such as ORACLE, postgresql, MS SQL server, Sybase, etc.
07-20-03 17:01:25 <Doug> I like DB2 very much. I also think that ODBC was one of the better things that Microsoft came up with.
07-20-03 17:01:51 <Doug> With it, you can write an application once, and have it work with multiple databases.
07-20-03 17:02:22 <WalterOS2> Except we don't have multiple data bases. :-)
07-20-03 17:02:31 <Doug> For example, I intended to  suffle our data over to postgresql one day and run the site using postgresql instead of DB2. Just for kicks
07-20-03 17:02:59 <Doug> We don't, but that stuff is all written to be very nonspecific about which database it uses.
07-20-03 17:03:55 <Doug> it slowed down the process, but hopefully someone else could take the pieces and use them it their web site, if they want to.
07-20-03 17:04:13 <WalterOS2> For myself, I wouldn't spend much effort trying to leave DB2 for a MS product.
07-20-03 17:05:04 <Doug> I wouldn't either. But I am sure that some people using OS/2 need to get to data in MS SQL Server at some points
07-20-03 17:05:07 <WalterOS2> However,  I respect your judgement, and as long as performance doesn't suffer signifantly, I'll let you do what you think is best.
07-20-03 17:05:12 <WalterOS2> :-)
07-20-03 17:06:11 <Doug> In the database world, ODBC became something called CLI, or Call Level Interface. It is now approved by one of those standards groups
07-20-03 17:06:44 <eCSNL> Mr chairman I would lik to add one point to agenda point d...
07-20-03 17:06:54 <eCSNL> Well bring up a point before you close the meeting
07-20-03 17:07:01 <eCSNL> Which does not take up much time....
07-20-03 17:07:14 <WalterOS2> Fire away.
07-20-03 17:07:30 <eCSNL> I think its related to warpdoctor since it concerns OS/2 support
07-20-03 17:07:44 <eCSNL> the point I brought up last night about OS/2 voice telephone support
07-20-03 17:07:54 <eCSNL> I have done the needed rewiring...
07-20-03 17:08:00 <eCSNL> And its ready for a test run...
07-20-03 17:08:11 <eCSNL> How to test, see how many people call....
07-20-03 17:09:04 <WalterOS2> How do you propose we test it?
07-20-03 17:09:15 <Doug> What is it?
07-20-03 17:09:18 <eCSNL> Simple put the phonenumber on the voice 
07-20-03 17:09:24 <eCSNL> and warpdoctor website....
07-20-03 17:09:29 <eCSNL> With 2 warnigs
07-20-03 17:09:32 <eCSNL> "as is"
07-20-03 17:09:42 <eCSNL> People need to be aware its an international phone call
07-20-03 17:09:55 <eCSNL> And they need to watch the time zones so they don't call me out of bed....
07-20-03 17:09:57 <eCSNL> Then again...
07-20-03 17:10:08 <eCSNL> I disconnect the phone always at night :-)
07-20-03 17:10:24 <Doug> Rod - are you offering telephone support for os/2?
07-20-03 17:10:29 <eCSNL> yep
07-20-03 17:10:47 <eCSNL> Here is the reason...
07-20-03 17:11:04 <eCSNL> I think it offers a lot of benefit if you can guide people threw a problem over the phone....
07-20-03 17:11:11 <eCSNL> You can ask questions....
07-20-03 17:11:28 <eCSNL> You can ask them to describe how they are doing things....
07-20-03 17:11:41 <eCSNL> You squeeze much more information from somebody that way :-)
07-20-03 17:12:01 <WalterOS2> "as is" needs to be expanded a little.  We don't want to give people the idea some one will always there.  If we do, and you don't answer, that could give them another reason to critize OS/2.  "as is" doesn't really say that.
07-20-03 17:12:14 <Doug> I think it is a GREAT idea.
07-20-03 17:12:25 <Doug> how about, as available
07-20-03 17:12:34 <eCSNL> The phonenumber has been in use for the Dutch OS/2 usergroup....
07-20-03 17:12:35 <Doug> or , when available
07-20-03 17:12:38 <eCSNL> for 3 years
07-20-03 17:12:50 <WalterOS2> We need something like "on an as available basis"
07-20-03 17:12:51 <eCSNL> and it rings one or 2 times a week...
07-20-03 17:13:05 <eCSNL> ANd also I'm NOT responsible for damages...
07-20-03 17:13:12 <Doug> Is there a group that answers, or just lonely little ole you?
07-20-03 17:13:27 <WalterOS2> For now, "just" him.
07-20-03 17:13:35 <WalterOS2> But it might grow.
07-20-03 17:13:51 <eCSNL> I'm also just doing this free of charge, zip zilch nada...
07-20-03 17:13:59 <eCSNL> People can call 7 days a week
07-20-03 17:14:04 <WalterOS2> Is Rat-Salad still here?
07-20-03 17:14:10 <eCSNL> between 20:00 and 22:00 CET!!!!
07-20-03 17:14:12 <Doug> That is fantastic.
07-20-03 17:14:18 <eCSNL> Especialy the weekends are crucial
07-20-03 17:14:20 <WalterOS2> I agree
07-20-03 17:14:26 <eCSNL> Since the time difference is a problem...
07-20-03 17:14:47 <eCSNL> Again people need to be aware they are making an international phone call...
07-20-03 17:14:49 <eCSNL> !!!
07-20-03 17:14:54 <eCSNL> It can be expensive!
07-20-03 17:15:04 <Doug> The phone system I use now was working on a system where different extensions would be located around the world, and the voice and ringing would work throught the internet, i.e voice over IP.
07-20-03 17:15:10 <WalterOS2> Do you accept collect calls?
07-20-03 17:15:12 <WalterOS2> hehe
07-20-03 17:15:36 <eCSNL> Well collect calls are never cheaper....
07-20-03 17:15:53 <eCSNL> And if people want a collect call, fine but the I will double the charge :-)
07-20-03 17:16:07 <eCSNL> Why place a collect phone call to the Netherlands...
07-20-03 17:16:14 <eCSNL> Its usealy more expensive...
07-20-03 17:16:17 <Doug> What it the number? I'm sure that I wil be calling in the future.
07-20-03 17:16:21 <Rat-Salad> I'm here..
07-20-03 17:16:33 <eCSNL> 011-31-3436771
07-20-03 17:16:37 <eCSNL> Thats from the US
07-20-03 17:16:54 <eCSNL> 011 is the international access code...
07-20-03 17:17:00 <eCSNL> Not many people in the US know that :-)
07-20-03 17:17:09 <eCSNL> I discovered when I was in the US
07-20-03 17:17:14 <eCSNL> and tried to call home :-)
07-20-03 17:17:18 <eCSNL> I thought it was 00
07-20-03 17:17:21 <WalterOS2> Can you put Rodericks offer of OS/2 support, his number, and other info on the VOICE website?
07-20-03 17:17:23 <Doug> You mean there are other countries in the world? Other than the US
07-20-03 17:17:30 <eCSNL> Yep
07-20-03 17:17:35 <WalterOS2> Or would the Warpdoctor site be better?
07-20-03 17:17:44 <eCSNL> Do both!
07-20-03 17:17:53 <WalterOS2> Double yep!!
07-20-03 17:17:54 <Rat-Salad> sure I can
07-20-03 17:18:06 <eCSNL> Rat Salad what is your email address...
07-20-03 17:18:19 <Rat-Salad> eCSNL: please e-mail all the info you would like posted to rs@fyrelizard.com
07-20-03 17:18:28 <WalterOS2> OK, eCSNL, send Jeremy a description of your service.
07-20-03 17:18:36 <Rat-Salad> :)
07-20-03 17:19:43 <WalterOS2> I have one short comment before we adjourn,
07-20-03 17:21:11 <Rat-Salad> eCSNL: around 0.65 - 1.00 per minute from the US :)
07-20-03 17:21:25 <Rat-Salad> cheaper than a 900 number though :)
07-20-03 17:21:30 <WalterOS2> Doug: would you send an announcement to submit@os2voice.org and warpdoctor.os2voice.org asking for volunteers to input data into the database?
07-20-03 17:22:06 <eCSNL> What is that for maffia pricing ?
07-20-03 17:22:19 <eCSNL> 0.65 upto 1 dollar a minute ?
07-20-03 17:22:21 <WalterOS2> I'm sure Gord and Bill would be available to help. :-)
07-20-03 17:22:32 <Doug> Yes
07-20-03 17:22:39 <WalterOS2> Thanks.
07-20-03 17:22:46 <eCSNL> I call the US for 0,04 Euro cent a minute!
07-20-03 17:23:04 <eCSNL> Thats about 6 dollar cents I think with the present exchange rate!
07-20-03 17:23:09 <Rat-Salad> that's awesome eCSNL
07-20-03 17:23:18 <WalterOS2> eCSNL: Can we stop for a minute.
07-20-03 17:23:23 <eCSNL> Oke
07-20-03 17:23:27 <Rat-Salad> we pay more than that usually for calls within the US
07-20-03 17:23:34 <WalterOS2> So we can adjourn.
07-20-03 17:23:51 <Gord> Motion to adjourn.
07-20-03 17:23:58 <WalterOS2> Does anyone want to move we adjourn the meeting?
07-20-03 17:24:02 <Rat-Salad> long distance within the use is between $0.05 and $0.10
07-20-03 17:24:06 <Rat-Salad> US
07-20-03 17:24:14 <eCSNL> In favour to adjourn
07-20-03 17:24:17 <wdl> "...available to help."  Yes.
07-20-03 17:24:19 <WalterOS2> RS: shhh!
07-20-03 17:24:23 <Rat-Salad> :)
07-20-03 17:24:40 <WalterOS2> All in favour of adjourning, please type Aye.
07-20-03 17:24:42 <Gord> Aye
07-20-03 17:24:46 <Doug> Aye
07-20-03 17:24:48 <KenKrchnr> Aye
07-20-03 17:24:52 <NielsJ> Aye
07-20-03 17:25:02 <wdl> Aye - should it matter at this late time...
07-20-03 17:25:08 <Rat-Salad> Aye
07-20-03 17:25:21 <WalterOS2> All opposed, please type Nay
07-20-03 17:25:42 <WalterOS2> The motion is carried. The meeting is adjourned.