WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2003-06-29
15:11:07 <WalterOS2> This session of Warpdoctor is now in session.
15:12:31 <WalterOS2> Ken, can you keep the log for us?
15:12:36 <KenKrchnr> Got it.
15:15:44 *** The topic for #warpdoctor is: Warpdoctor Meeting: Agenda at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-06-29.html
15:16:26 <WalterOS2> There is an agenda for this meeting:-- It's at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-06-29.html
15:17:18 <WalterOS2> Before we to the agenda, I'd like to catch up on what's happened while I've been off-line.

15:33:25 <WalterOS2> Let's get on with the WD business.
15:34:03 <WalterOS2> Ken, what, if anything, has happened that's new with VOICE2 on your end?
15:37:07 <WalterOS2> Ken seems to be away from his computer.
15:37:14 <WalterOS2> Doug, are you there?
15:37:18 <Doug> yes
15:37:41 <WalterOS2> OK, anything new on your end since I was here last?
15:38:24 <WalterOS2> BTW, I really appreciate everybody's concern for my wife's welfare. :-)
15:38:34 <Doug> no. I was hoping to have something running on voice2 this weekend, but my development machine took a dive last monday, and I just got it running ok yesterday.
15:39:04 <Doug> Ken, however, got me ssh connectivity on voice2, and the DTOC works as well.
15:39:04 <WalterOS2> hehe..I'm glad that happens to other people as well.
15:39:48 <Doug> I installed/reinstalled ecs 1.1 5 times before I finally get everything correct.
15:40:07 <WalterOS2> What the URL for DTOC?
15:40:24 <WalterOS2> I can never remember.
15:40:26 <Doug> let me look here
15:40:39 <KenKrchnr> I'm back
15:40:50 <WalterOS2> Hi Ken
15:40:58 <Doug> DTOC is at http://xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:xxxx
15:41:11 <WalterOS2> OK, thanks.
15:41:52 <KenKrchnr> Walter, I had to install DTOC from scratch. I have Doug, Jeremy and I think Mark's info.
15:42:14 <KenKrchnr> I would need to get other user's info to give them back their access.
15:43:54 <WalterOS2> Can you find out who has DTOC access on VOICE1?
15:44:27 <KenKrchnr> Yes, I can see the names, but the passwords are encrypted.
15:44:59 <KenKrchnr> And the encryption is based on a seed from voice1, so doesn't work if I copy them.
15:45:06 <WalterOS2> Is there an email address list with each user?
15:45:08 <KenKrchnr> Hang on a sec...
15:45:23 <WalterOS2> list=listed
15:45:35 <Doug> perhaps it would be better to have DTOC users re-request access, in order to clean up the list
15:46:42 <WalterOS2> Doug: I would agree, but we need some way to contact those who currently have DTOC access on VOICE1.
15:47:04 <WalterOS2> At least, that would be the best way, IMO.
15:47:05 <KenKrchnr> I think so. There may be some obsolete users (*****?)
15:47:34 <WalterOS2> That's ************
15:48:04 <Doug> you may have a devil of a time getting ahold of her
15:48:57 <KenKrchnr> OK, and ****, ****** and ******** (I know he's still around ;) )
15:49:11 <KenKrchnr> The others I know.
15:49:25 <KenKrchnr> And there's only 10 total.
15:49:30 <WalterOS2> I suggest make up a list of users who have DTOC access to VOICE1.
15:49:51 <WalterOS2> Remove the obsolete users.
15:50:04 <WalterOS2> ***** is obsolete.
15:50:20 <WalterOS2> You should work with me on that.
15:51:40 <WalterOS2> Then send an email cc: cleaned-up-list asking them to send you a username and password if they want DTOC on the new server.
15:52:07 <KenKrchnr> Sounds like the way to go.
15:53:43 <WalterOS2> You'll probably get some email-address errors. Then you can ignore them.
15:55:52 <KenKrchnr> There are no email addresses there, maybe elswhere.
15:56:44 <KenKrchnr> Other than that, voice2 is complete.
15:56:45 <WalterOS2> Ken: Any other update info? On VOICE2 or DNS?
15:56:58 <WalterOS2> Great stuff. <g>
15:57:30 <KenKrchnr> I talked to Jeremy last night. Abel is the contact, and he's currently sick. So nothing has been done on the dns.
15:59:33 <KenKrchnr> I've had Apache, ftpd, weasel pro, majormajor, iniserver, db2, dtoc, irc server and a couple other things running for 3 weeks.
16:02:50 <KenKrchnr> The 2 contacts for os2voice are both currently unavailable.
16:04:09 <KenKrchnr> And Jeremy had gotten an e-mail from the ISP that they were going to shut down the current nameserver voice uses last week.
16:05:11 <KenKrchnr> Luckily, Jeremy was able to talk to them and postpone that due to our situation. Otherwise, voice1 would be completely off line now.
16:05:35 <Doug> maybe we need another "contact" for os2voice
16:05:53 <Doug> like ken
16:06:05 <KenKrchnr> At least somebody who's still in contact.
16:06:10 <MADodel> (Admin) should have changed his contact info to someone elses.
16:06:52 <MADodel> That is problems if Abel is away. Someone needs to get Jeremy or Walter or Ken on the DNS record.
16:07:00 <KenKrchnr> Yes, that would have been the prudent thing to do.
16:07:17 <MADodel> (admin) left the scene pretty quickly
16:08:06 <KenKrchnr> When I was talking with jeremy and Sector about moving the dns, I recommended at least three people have the necessary access.
16:08:16 <WalterOS2> Either Ken or Jeremy is fine with me. I don't understand that stuff as well as they do.
16:08:34 <Doug> why not both?
16:08:55 <MADodel> You can have three people on a DNS record
16:09:06 <MADodel> Admin, Tech and billing.
16:09:32 <Doug> jeremy, ken, and hoss then?
16:09:33 <KenKrchnr> And you really need a longstanding member as part of that. Even if he doesn't know dns, he can allow for others to do what needs to be done.
16:09:47 <WalterOS2> Do they all have access to all parts of the record?
16:10:05 <KenKrchnr> It's currently all or nothing.
16:10:10 <MADodel> AFAIK anyone on the record has the ability to make changes
16:10:38 <Doug> AFAIK ?
16:10:41 <MADodel> Though the billing contact is the one notified when the record comes do for renewal
16:10:56 <MADodel> As Far As I Know
16:10:58 <KenKrchnr> You can only lock the billing (admin) contact.
16:11:16 <WalterOS2> I understand a fair bit of it, because I'm the contact for my church and for my own domain as well.
16:11:36 <WalterOS2> I'm not the guru that Ken and Jeremy are.
16:11:59 <WalterOS2> We could have Jeremy, Ken, and me if it allows for three.
16:12:12 <Doug> that would work also
16:12:36 <KenKrchnr> The dns stuff doesn't need to change very frequently, but when you need to it can be devastating to not be able to do it.
16:12:51 <WalterOS2> Don't I know it.
16:13:38 <KenKrchnr> You can also do like I did with my secondary account, I just gave Jeremy my username/password so he can do things as well.
16:14:02 <Doug> Does this need a vote to do?
16:14:43 <KenKrchnr> And if we decide to stray with that one, I'd give Walter, Mark and Sector the stuff as well. That way we can be assured of always being able to do things that need to be done.
16:14:59 <KenKrchnr> stray = stay ;)
16:15:07 <WalterOS2> I ran into that problem when my email became out of date because of the change from @home to @rogers. I had forgotten to change my DNS email address, and when time came to renew, I couldn't because the old email address no longer worked. I almost lost my domain!
16:16:41 <WalterOS2> We've been informal about voting, but this is important enough, that it would be good to vote.
16:16:53 <WalterOS2> vote==have a vote
16:17:07 <Doug> I move we change the DNS contacts to ken, jeremy and walter
16:17:40 <KenKrchnr> I'd modify that just a bit...
16:17:41 <WalterOS2> Is there a second?
16:17:56 <WalterOS2> A note on procedure.
16:18:24 <WalterOS2> There should be a second first. Then we can modify the motion if we want to.
16:18:32 <WalterOS2> <End of Note>
16:18:42 <MADodel> The vote isn't much good unless someone currently on the record goes along and changes it.
16:18:45 <KenKrchnr> It should be setup with the technical contact. Create a new user at the provider, then give those that you want the name/password.
16:19:10 <KenKrchnr> Mark's got that right :-)
16:19:59 <KenKrchnr> The "Billing contact" should be able to do that. I heard that was Peter?
16:20:24 <MADodel> Is Peter on there? Then he can change it
16:20:42 <KenKrchnr> Once that contact changes the tech contact, you're out of the woods.
16:20:46 <MADodel> Of course Peter was out of touch for a long time also.
16:21:30 <MADodel> People have to stop getting sick
16:22:12 <Doug> we could make that a motion
16:23:22 <WalterOS2> There's already an un-seconded motion on the floor.
16:23:44 <KenKrchnr> OK, Abel is tech, **** is admin, account owner is voice, Canada. That should be good enough for eithe Walter or Peter (assume he's treasurer/bill contact) to make those changes.
16:24:30 <WalterOS2> I'm completely confused. :-(
16:25:03 <WalterOS2> Abel is sick; and is not easily available when he's not.
16:25:11 <KenKrchnr> Walter as President of voice (domain owner) should be able to change the contacts.
16:25:58 <KenKrchnr> I second Doug's motion.
16:26:00 <WalterOS2> Not unless my name is on the account.
16:26:32 <Doug> I amend my motion to whatever Ken said above (about the passwords and all that stuff)
16:27:01 <KenKrchnr> As President you have the authority to make changes, but they usually require more paperwork that way.
16:27:52 <WalterOS2> You need to make your amended motion more specific.
16:28:07 <KenKrchnr> Admin can just go in and change. Other way you need to do a phone call/fax/maybe even letter of authorization.
16:28:17 <MADodel> You probably need to send something on official looking letterhead with your title.
16:28:21 <WalterOS2> IOW, I move that....
16:30:02 <WalterOS2> To simplify matters, I'm declaring that Doug's first motion failed for lack of second.
16:30:38 <Doug> ok Ken - your on. Make the motion how it should be.
16:30:46 <WalterOS2> Now, let's let all the preliminary discussion out of the way, before we make a second motion.
16:32:08 <KenKrchnr> Doug moves that tech contact for os2voice.org etal be changed to a pseudo name, the users of which will be determined by the directors of Voice.
16:32:39 <WalterOS2> That's not a valid motion. :-)
16:32:57 <WalterOS2> We need to find out what is required by the account holder.
16:33:10 <KenKrchnr> But it gives Doug what he needs.
16:33:54 <KenKrchnr> The account holder just wants a contact. That contact need not be an actual person. It does need an email address.
16:34:28 <Doug> Ken is say that instead of putting a specific, real person's name as tech contact, we put in a pseudo name and then distribute the name/password to those that need it
16:34:34 <WalterOS2> Where is our domain located?
16:34:48 <WalterOS2> Where is the account located?
16:35:06 <KenKrchnr> Some on Network Solutions. I think others are elsewhere.
16:35:49 <KenKrchnr> Doug - yes, that would eliminate the problem we now face.
16:36:31 <Doug> I move that the tech contact for os2voice.org etal be changed to a pseudo name, the users of which will be determined by the directors of VOICE
16:37:28 <KenKrchnr> I second Doug's motion
16:39:56 <WalterOS2> I still maintain that is not a valid motion.
16:40:18 <Doug> why not> Its in english!
16:40:52 <KenKrchnr> os2voice.com registrar = names4ever
16:40:58 <WalterOS2> We need to contact network solutions, and find out what they require in order to change the Account names.
16:41:17 <WalterOS2> Then we'll be in a position to make a meaningful motion.
16:42:01 <Doug> nah - the motion gives the president authority to make the changes once he contacts network solutions. Its empowerment.
16:42:33 <Doug> Or the vice president. What are you now Walter? I forgot.
16:42:53 <WalterOS2> Pres.
16:43:06 <WalterOS2> It hasn't changed recently. :-)
16:43:13 <WalterOS2> That I know of. <g>
16:43:29 <Doug> Good. Besides, if we wait until network solutions is contacted, and then have a vote at the next meeting, it might be too late.
16:43:43 <MADodel> I agree with Doug. Regardless of any motion wording we need to make the change before something happens to the DNS and the site is out of business.
16:44:26 <KenKrchnr> Looks like warpdoctor.org is Network Solutions as well.
16:44:57 <KenKrchnr> I agree with Mark and Doug. The motion is valid ;)
16:45:02 <Doug> I have complete confidence in the descretion and good judgement of the president, and am sure that he will fulfill this responsibility correctly.
16:45:06 <WalterOS2> Doug: Regarding your motion: what does "etal" mean.
16:45:26 <KenKrchnr> All domains so affected.
16:45:29 <MADodel> etal means all the related sites
16:45:35 <Doug> all those other domains, whatever they are, the are owned or that point to our server(s)
16:46:01 <MADodel> os2voice.com warpdoctor.org and of course os2voice.org. Are there any others?
16:46:19 <KenKrchnr> Do we count warpstock.org?
16:46:20 <WalterOS2> Second question: I don't understand "the users of which will be determined by the directors of VOICE"
16:46:32 <MADodel> Warpstock.org has already been handled.
16:46:54 <Doug> that means that when you decide on a user name and password, you deciminate that to whoever the board deems needs to have it
16:47:16 <WalterOS2> decimate?
16:47:18 <Doug> which would include ken and jeremy, for starters
16:47:52 <Doug> oops - darn that spelling. Deciminate. (hate to chop people into bits)
16:48:15 <Doug> you know - tell.
16:48:21 <WalterOS2> You mean "Disseminate"?
16:48:31 <Doug> yeah - that
16:48:50 <KenKrchnr> If he does mean decimate I don't think I want to be on the list ;-)
16:49:09 <Doug> especially if you are the 10th person on the list.
16:50:36 <WalterOS2> Any further discussion?
16:52:31 <WalterOS2> Doug: Would you restate the motion for us, please?
16:53:30 <WalterOS2> Is Doug still here?
16:54:01 <Doug> I move that Walter contact network solutions, and that he change the tech contact name to a pseudo name (by whatever means are necessary), and that he disseminate the name and password to those that the voice deems needs to know, plus to ken and rs
16:54:31 <Doug> for all domain names that pertain to voice or waprdoctor
16:54:50 <Doug> ... how that?
16:55:17 <WalterOS2> Do you want to qualify "pseudo name" in some way, or not?
16:55:39 <Doug> nah - just make up something good, something catchy
16:55:51 <WalterOS2> OK, time for the vote.
16:56:25 <Doug> aye
16:56:36 <WalterOS2> The motion is that:Walter contact network solutions, and that he change the tech contact name to a pseudo
16:56:36 <WalterOS2> name (by whatever means are necessary), and that he disseminate the name and password to those that the
16:56:36 <WalterOS2> voice deems needs to know, plus to ken and rs
16:56:36 <WalterOS2> <Doug> for all domain names that pertain to voice or waprdoctor
16:57:00 <WalterOS2> All in favour of this motion, please signify by typing Aye.
16:57:11 <KenKrchnr> Aye
16:57:19 <Doug> aye
17:00:18 <MADodel> Aye
17:00:41 <WalterOS2> All opposed to the above-stated motion, please signify by typing Nay
17:02:14 <WalterOS2> The Aye's have it.
17:02:21 <WalterOS2> Motion is carried.
17:03:11 <WalterOS2> I will contact Network Solutions with all due speed and get the tech contact name changed.
17:05:16 <WalterOS2> I have a question.
17:06:11 <WalterOS2> In all the activity of the motion, we apparently decided not to change the billing and admin contacts. Why not?
17:06:57 <KenKrchnr> Billing is to voice itself, admin could be changed, but is not as imperative as tech.
17:07:24 <KenKrchnr> Then again...
17:07:35 <WalterOS2> Any objection if I change admin to Ken?
17:07:47 <Doug> no - go for it.
17:07:59 <KenKrchnr> I think Admin should be President, VOICE.
17:08:01 <WalterOS2> Will do.
17:08:27 <WalterOS2> Then, I'm in twice.
17:08:46 <Doug> The president can always change stuff by virtue of being the president.
17:08:58 <WalterOS2> Remember the motion did not specify a particular person.
17:09:17 <WalterOS2> I'll work out something creative and useful.
17:09:23 <WalterOS2> :-)
17:09:33 <Doug> Is (admin) around anymore?
17:09:40 <KenKrchnr> But tech is shared access, admin can be used in an emergency to change tech without needing special communication.
17:10:01 <WalterOS2> Around, but not in a position to help us out.
17:10:35 <WalterOS2> Ken: What do you mean by "special communication"?
17:10:37 <Doug> ok - i bow to the logic of Ken's argument.
17:11:04 <KenKrchnr> Like now, you'll have to send NetSol proper authority.
17:11:28 <KenKrchnr> If you're admin, you can go in and change without having to do that.
17:11:46 <WalterOS2> I think I understand.
17:11:54 <KenKrchnr> Tech can't change admin, but admin can changetech.
17:12:02 <WalterOS2> We're past quitting time.
17:12:21 <WalterOS2> So I'm ready to entertain a motion of adjournment.
17:12:37 <KenKrchnr> And if something happens to require invalidation of the pseudo user password, you can do it immediately,
17:13:03 <WalterOS2> That's good to know.
17:14:04 <KenKrchnr> It's not as bad as if you had employees, but you always want to protect the entity.
17:15:09 <Doug> move to quit
17:15:21 <MADodel> second
17:19:16 <WalterOS2> All in favour of the motion to adjourn, type Aye
17:19:28 <wdl> Aye
17:19:36 <KenKrchnr> Aye
17:19:41 <Doug> aye
17:19:59 <WalterOS2> Motion is carried.
17:20:04 <WalterOS2> Meeting adjourned