05-25-03 15:08:00 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session.
05-25-03 15:09:54 <WalterOS2> Jeremy, I didn't put this on the agenda, but perhaps you would like to say something about the new DNS provider you've been looking at. (?)
05-25-03 15:11:40 <Rat-Salad> well... I've looked in to it... checked around the net and all, to see about their reputation
05-25-03 15:11:54 <Rat-Salad> no negative information
05-25-03 15:12:07 <WalterOS2> What's their name?
05-25-03 15:12:49 <Rat-Salad> WebKor
05-25-03 15:13:26 <WalterOS2> Any positive info?
05-25-03 15:13:31 <Rat-Salad> the service is $8.95 per year
05-25-03 15:13:57 <Rat-Salad> I found one praising comment about them... and a lot of sites that seem to be hosted by them
05-25-03 15:14:14 <Rat-Salad> but other than that... not much consumer feedback
05-25-03 15:14:43 <WalterOS2> OK...that's good.  Are they mirrored across several sites like dyndns.org?
05-25-03 15:14:46 <KenKrchnr> It's $8.95 per year per domain tho', right?
05-25-03 15:15:12 <Rat-Salad> yeah, I believe its per domain
05-25-03 15:15:55 <WalterOS2> I think VOICE could handle that. :-)
05-25-03 15:16:26 <Rat-Salad> http://webkor.com/domain_forwarding.htm
05-25-03 15:16:36 <WalterOS2> Jeremy:  Are they mirrored across several sites like dyndns.org?
05-25-03 15:18:43 <Rat-Salad> I believe one of us needs to give this place a call and ask those questions
05-25-03 15:18:57 <WalterOS2> OK
05-25-03 15:19:19 <WalterOS2> That would be you, I suppose. <g>
05-25-03 15:19:29 <Rat-Salad> 1. is it $8.99 per domain... or can muliple domains be used
05-25-03 15:19:55 <Rat-Salad> 2. how many nameservers do they provide
05-25-03 15:20:59 <Rat-Salad>  For added reliability, your DNS records are added to our entire network of geographically diverse nameservers operating on several different network backbones. In the event that one of our primary nameservers is temporarily unreachable for any reason, our other nameservers are completely capable of answering requests for your domain. We have double-tiered backups for nameservers, and we have double redundant backup power supply to all equip
05-25-03 15:20:59 <Rat-Salad> ment.
05-25-03 15:21:24 <WalterOS2> Sounds great!
05-25-03 15:21:47 <Doug> Here's what they say about name servers
05-25-03 15:21:54 <Doug>  For added reliability, your DNS records are added to our entire network of geographically diverse nameservers operating on several different network backbones. In the event that one of our primary nameservers is temporarily unreachable for any reaso
05-25-03 15:22:10 <Doug>  our other nameservers are completely capable of answering requests for your domain. We have double-tiered backups for nameservers, and we have double redundant backup power supply to all equipment.
05-25-03 15:22:21 <WalterOS2> Hmm.  
05-25-03 15:22:35 <WalterOS2> Is there an echo in here? <g>
05-25-03 15:22:46 <Doug> oopps  oopps
05-25-03 15:23:12 <Rat-Salad> hehe
05-25-03 15:23:24 <WalterOS2> Call it redundancy.
05-25-03 15:23:47 <Doug> yeah  that's it. 
05-25-03 15:23:48 <Rat-Salad> but so far I can't find anything about multiple domains
05-25-03 15:23:53 <Doug> backup information
05-25-03 15:24:12 <Rat-Salad> its probably $8.99 per domain
05-25-03 15:25:02 <KenKrchnr> It's per domain, when you go to register you can only register one domain for each "account".
05-25-03 15:25:26 <WalterOS2> Do they give you direct access to the "keys" or whatever they're called?
05-25-03 15:25:39 <WalterOS2> So we'd need three accounts.
05-25-03 15:26:03 <Doug> three?  voice.org, warpdoctor.org ???.org
05-25-03 15:26:13 <KenKrchnr> Or 4 if you count warpstock.
05-25-03 15:26:14 <WalterOS2> Or two and Warpstock would need one.
05-25-03 15:26:34 <WalterOS2> Sorry; can't count today. :-(
05-25-03 15:26:47 <KenKrchnr> Hmm, os2voice.org, os2voice.com, warpdoctor.org, warpstock.???
05-25-03 15:26:56 <Rat-Salad> did Mark end up purchasing DNS from dyndns.org?
05-25-03 15:27:25 <WalterOS2> Mark's here somewhere.  Maybe he'll answer himself.
05-25-03 15:27:33 <MADecsSMP> warpstock's biggest problem at the moment is that Paul Hethmon is the only person that can change the domain record.  And I haven't yet heard back from him.
05-25-03 15:27:45 <Rat-Salad> ahh
05-25-03 15:27:46 <MADecsSMP> No I haven't done anything yet.
05-25-03 15:28:30 <Doug> Is the only difference between webkor and dyndsn $21 per year per domain?
05-25-03 15:29:05 <Rat-Salad> it does seem so Doug... looks like the same exact type of service to me
05-25-03 15:30:27 <Doug> Do these guys just basically provide a network of name lookup servers, so that warpdoctor.org gets pointed to the right IP address?
05-25-03 15:31:38 <Rat-Salad> they provide the name servers, and give you the ability to change your domains zone file whenever you like via a website interface
05-25-03 15:31:42 <WalterOS2> That's how I understand it, Doug.
05-25-03 15:32:50 <Doug> for $9 per year, or even $30 per year, I don't think we are going to go broke.
05-25-03 15:33:30 <Doug> But when you pay to register a domain name, don't you already get the name -> ip function
05-25-03 15:34:04 <Rat-Salad> when your register a domain, you are just renting the rights to that name
05-25-03 15:34:28 <WalterOS2> We also have to go to the VOICE membership and get permission to spend xxx per year instead of a one-time fee of $150.
05-25-03 15:34:28 <Rat-Salad> it's up to you to have nameservers for your zone file to preside
05-25-03 15:34:52 <Rat-Salad> there is no one time fee anymore WalterOS2
05-25-03 15:35:11 <Rat-Salad> dyndns.org changed their pricing while we were debating on doing this
05-25-03 15:35:30 <WalterOS2> I know: However that's what our motion covered, so it is now out of date.
05-25-03 15:35:39 <Rat-Salad> true
05-25-03 15:36:03 <WalterOS2> So we need to pass a new motion.
05-25-03 15:39:54 <WalterOS2> That leaves Warpstock in particular hanging, since we don't have another VOICE meeting until June 7.
05-25-03 15:40:58 <MADecsSMP> Warpstock will handle its own.  Though I will look at webkor
05-25-03 15:41:02 <Doug> If money is an issue I will donate $30 - for three domains - and we can get going before June 7
05-25-03 15:41:11 <Doug> Ok $20
05-25-03 15:41:55 <Rat-Salad> I don't think money is a issue
05-25-03 15:42:08 <WalterOS2> It's timing.
05-25-03 15:42:15 <MADecsSMP> VOICE actually has 3 domains - or did I miss something?  os2voice.org, os2voice.com, warpdoctor.org
05-25-03 15:42:20 <Rat-Salad> yeah the issue with this was indeed timing
05-25-03 15:44:21 <WalterOS2> We could do this:  VOICE has already authorized $150, I believe.
05-25-03 15:44:21 <Doug> I'll second the first motion. And move that we take Ken's money.  - btw thanks ken
05-25-03 15:44:48 <KenKrchnr> Not a problem. It's just time to get it goin' ;)
05-25-03 15:46:05 <Rat-Salad> we can't make such motions here at a WarpDoctor meeting Doug :)
05-25-03 15:46:15 <Doug> ok _ move that we get going.
05-25-03 15:47:48 <WalterOS3> I think that would be appropriate, since the motion is invalid now anyhow.
05-25-03 15:48:12 <WalterOS3> invalid==useless
05-25-03 15:57:32 <WalterOS2> OK, anything else anyone wants to say about the DNS situation?
05-25-03 15:58:17 <WalterOS2> OK....Let's get into the written agenda.
05-25-03 15:58:33 <WalterOS2> A. Old Business
05-25-03 15:58:48 <WalterOS2> 1. Status of Plugin  -- Doug
05-25-03 15:58:58 <wdl> Anyone besides me can't get to the agenda site?
05-25-03 15:59:22 <WalterOS2> Have you been able to fix the problems we discovered in the last two weeks?
05-25-03 15:59:58 <Doug> I uploaded a new version of the plug-in last week. Or rather, a new version of the plug-in installer.
05-25-03 16:00:23 <Doug> Hopefully that will fix the "does not find Mozilla" bug. But i haven't heard from anyone trying it yet.
05-25-03 16:00:57 <Doug> So I will assume it is fixed, until I hear otherwise
05-25-03 16:01:07 <WalterOS2> wdl: Have you used the URL: http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-05-25.html ?
05-25-03 16:01:47 <WalterOS2> Doug: which Browser caused the problem?
05-25-03 16:02:55 <Doug> We were not finding an installed copy of Mozilla. The version was 1.3 I believe. Gord is the one that reported the problem
05-25-03 16:03:32 <Doug> But the problem would probably apply to all versions of Mozilla. IBM web browser is/was probably ok.
05-25-03 16:04:15 <MADecsSMP> Would Firebird be considered Mozilla?
05-25-03 16:04:17 <wdl> WalterOS2:  "The connection was refused... etc."
05-25-03 16:05:43 <Doug> I haven't heard of firebird. But to generally answer the question: if firebird had an entry in OS2.INI that said MOZILLA with a key of HOME, - AND - if the plugins directory is under HOME/plugins, then yes it would work
05-25-03 16:05:49 <KenKrchnr> wdl: try http://warpdoctor.easydns.org/agendas/
05-25-03 16:05:52 <Doug> Where do you get firebird?
05-25-03 16:06:17 <MADecsSMP> FireBird is the browser only version of Mozilla.
05-25-03 16:06:25 <KenKrchnr> ooops, warpdoctor.easydns.us/agendas/
05-25-03 16:06:41 <Doug> Is it smaller?
05-25-03 16:07:30 <wdl> KenKrchnr:  "...could not be found, etc"  from cut'n'paste.
05-25-03 16:07:32 <MADecsSMP> Honestly not sure.  I never looked.  It lacks mail/news/IRC
05-25-03 16:08:22 <MADecsSMP> Mozilla Firebird 0.6 <http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird/release-notes.html>  (formerly Phoenix) is available for download. The OS/2 version is available as a Zipfile <http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firebird/releases/0.6/contrib/MozillaFirebird-0.6-os2.zip>.
05-25-03 16:08:37 <WalterOS2> Doug: which browser was the plugin erroring on?  I didn't get your response.
05-25-03 16:09:11 <Doug> Mozilla v 1.3 - if I remember correctly
05-25-03 16:09:42 <Doug> MAD - I'll try firebird and make sure it works
05-25-03 16:10:19 <Doug> walter - the problem was with the install script not finding Mozilla. Which I THINK I have fixed.
05-25-03 16:11:01 <wdl> KenKrchnr:  That did it.  Thanks.
05-25-03 16:12:00 <KenKrchnr> (wdl: don't tell anyone, but that's running on voice2 ;) )
05-25-03 16:18:04 <wdl> Ken: voice2 = coool.
05-25-03 16:18:07 <WalterOS2> Doug: what is the name of the Plugin on Hobbes?
05-25-03 16:18:52 <Doug> I don't think it is on hobbes. Only on warpdoctor.org/plugin_page.html - pick the install link
05-25-03 16:19:13 <WalterOS2> OK
05-25-03 16:19:29 <WalterOS2> Let's move on.
05-25-03 16:19:39 <WalterOS2> B: New Business
05-25-03 16:20:06 <WalterOS2>    1. Current Status of DB2 Engine, etc.
05-25-03 16:20:32 <WalterOS2>     2. Phase 2
05-25-03 16:20:48 <WalterOS2> Might as well put those togther. :-)
05-25-03 16:20:57 <WalterOS2> Doug: any news to report?
05-25-03 16:21:07 <Doug> I have one little semaphore problem that is triggering a bug (excuse the pun) in the db2 engine
05-25-03 16:21:33 <Doug> when I find that the engine will be done - at least for our purposes
05-25-03 16:22:15 <Doug> I will be out of town until Jun 5 
05-25-03 16:22:35 <Doug> so not much is going to happen for the next 2 weeks. Sorry
05-25-03 16:22:53 <WalterOS2> Great!  Could you repeat the block diagram for those of with faltering memories?
05-25-03 16:22:58 <WalterOS2> That's OK.
05-25-03 16:23:26 <WalterOS2> Block Diagram of the overall project, I mean.
05-25-03 16:23:41 <Doug> user -> browser -> web server -> db2 engine -> db2 -  data -> browser
05-25-03 16:23:44 <Doug> that one?
05-25-03 16:24:07 <WalterOS2> I guess so.
05-25-03 16:24:41 <Doug> Or user -> browser -> plug-in -> web server -> db2 engine -> db2   <- back
05-25-03 16:25:05 <WalterOS2> I don't mean to rush you, but what's the next thing after the db2 engine?
05-25-03 16:25:48 <Doug> The next thing, and last big thing development wise, are the input screens and associated output CGI program.
05-25-03 16:26:11 <Doug> I think there are 7 "type" on content that the site will handle:
05-25-03 16:26:45 <Doug> 1) HCL, 2) SCL, 3) drivers, 4) documents, 5) links to external sites, 6) meetings, 7) I can't remember right now
05-25-03 16:27:02 <WalterOS2> I love 7)
05-25-03 16:27:06 <WalterOS2> :-)
05-25-03 16:27:13 <Doug> Oh - 7) APPs - which is software, utilities, etc.
05-25-03 16:27:37 <WalterOS2> OK, thanks.
05-25-03 16:27:41 <Doug> Each "type" of content will have its own input screen. And the output for each type of content will be different
05-25-03 16:28:26 <Rat-Salad> gotta shutdown.. things are freaking out here
05-25-03 16:29:07 <WalterOS2> Let's continue the meeting next week.
05-25-03 16:34:08 <wdl> Well...  I gotta question about the HCL end of Warpdoctor...
05-25-03 16:34:33 <wdl> Is there any plan to list - briefly - items known *NOT* to work with Warp?
05-25-03 16:34:52 <wdl> My current interest is USB.  Weird...
05-25-03 16:34:59 <KenKrchnr> The last I heard there was no such plan.
05-25-03 16:35:32 <KenKrchnr> It was discussed, but the thought was that list would be too long ;)
05-25-03 16:35:45 <wdl> That's really too bad.  Most valuable - when considering what to buy. Um, *not* to buy.
05-25-03 16:36:59 <MADecsSMP> That really should be considered