WarpDoctor - General Meeting for 2003-05-11
15:35:35 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session.
15:36:09 <WalterOS2> Sorry about a late start, but I had a devil of time getting here.
15:36:26 <os2hq> I'm wondering.... Is there somewhere on the Web that's a quick, easy, one-shot list of the "latest version"
15:36:28 <os2hq> of everything?
15:37:02 <os2hq> That is, latest Netscape/Mozilla, latest java JVM, latest issue of major OS/2 apps, etc. etc.
15:37:02 <WalterOS2> We should make sure we have that somewhere in Warpdoctor.
15:37:08 <Doug> Not yet
15:37:13 <os2hq> All in one place on a single page with a quick-link.
15:37:28 <os2hq> Someplace I can link on my homepage so I can check up on it quickly after doing an install, for example.
15:37:40 <WalterOS2> There used to be a Master OS/2 Update Page or something like that, and it was invaluable.
15:37:46 <os2hq> I used to really like the Warp-Up kits. Are they still available with latest stuff?
15:38:11 <WalterOS2> I could use that on my main system right now!
15:38:13 * os2hq *bookmark*
15:39:44 <WalterOS2> Here's another subject/question for the WD database:
15:40:05 <Gord> Doug: Lots of stuff back. 16 packets transmitted, 16 packets received, 0% packet loss
15:40:44 <WalterOS2> Why does eCS 1.x peer networking sometimes just die or crash, without notice or apparent cause?
15:41:07 <wdl> os2hq: Try http://www.os2site.com/sw/upgrades/upgrades.html
15:41:11 <Gord> Doug: 68.164.47.212
15:41:22 <os2hq> Thanks wdl.
15:41:31 <WalterOS2> This has happened to me several times in the last 2 or 3 weeks, and it just happened to a friend of mine with the same set up.
15:41:41 <Doug> Great - now type in http://www.warpdoctor.org/home.html in your browser , and tell me what happens
15:42:56 <Gord> Not found.
15:43:11 <Doug> ok - let me try
15:43:20 <os2hq> Now, my second question. How come the Network Solutions "whois" won't work for me -- just a blank page?
15:45:52 <Gord> Doug: /home.html was not found on this server.
15:46:21 <Doug> Try shutting down and restarting the browser
15:46:58 <Doug> Walter - I am trying to get some people to try out the test web site using the plug-in. Are you game?
15:48:04 <Gord> Home and a bunch of links
15:48:43 <Doug> Gord?
15:48:58 <Gord> Yes
15:49:22 <Doug> Home and a bunch of links????
15:50:20 <Gord> Doug: I arrived here: http://www.warpdoctor.org/cgi-bin/WarpDoc_menu.exe
15:50:37 <Doug> Good - what does your screen look like?
15:50:43 <Doug> And which browser are you using?
15:51:18 <Gord> It says HOME at the top. Down the left side are 7 folder icons with a link beside each one.
15:51:46 <Gord> Mozilla
15:51:58 <Doug> Great - you are there. Are there icons across the top of the page?
15:52:32 <Gord> No
15:52:53 <Gord> Mozilla 1.3b
15:53:06 <Doug> Minimize the browser window and then restore it. Sometimes the icons in the "toolbar" have trouble getting drawn
15:53:22 <Doug> That should make them appear.
15:53:40 <Gord> No change.
15:54:10 <Doug> Try right clicking in the left area - do you get a pop-up menu?
15:55:57 <Gord> MB2 gets me a pop-up that starts with BACK and ends with View Page Info
15:56:52 <Doug> You should get the menu when you right click on the right side. When you mb2 on the left side (pointing at a folder) you should get a menu with Add Folder, Edit Folder, etc.
15:58:36 <Gord> With the mouse pointer on a folder MB2 gets me a menu that starts with VIEW IMAGE and ends with PROPERTIES
15:59:51 <Doug> Go to Help - About Plug-ins (on the menu bar) and see if you have the WarpDoctor Rexx Plug-in listed.
16:01:55 <Gord> Only the Mozilla Default PlugIn is listed.
16:02:14 <Doug> OK - we don't have the plug-in installed in the browser.
16:02:38 <Doug> You are getting the default opening screen for the site
16:03:01 <Doug> Do you double-click the WdRexxIn.WPI file and run through the WarpIn install routine?
16:03:56 <Gord> No. I dragged the object of the plugin and dropped it on the Warpin Object.
16:04:16 <Doug> Did that start the install procedure?
16:04:29 <Gord> Then i went through the install routine.
16:04:51 <Gord> It warned me about acrive rexx code.
16:04:53 <Gord> active
16:04:57 <Gord> I accepted it.
16:05:11 <Gord> It installed more than one package.
16:05:25 <Doug> Ok - you went through the install. Did you see your Mozilla browser listed in the install? (if you remember)
16:05:45 <Doug> And - do you have more that one browser installed on your machine?
16:05:48 <Gord> Pretty sure I did NOT see it
16:06:03 <Gord> I have Navigator 4.61
16:06:16 <Doug> OK - is that install on C: ?
16:06:25 <Gord> Yes
16:06:38 <Gord> Mozilla is NOT installed on C:
16:07:00 <Doug> ok - go to the netscape/program/plugins directory and see if you can find the file npwrpdoc.dll
16:07:39 <Gord> It is there.
16:08:00 <Doug> OK we need to copy that file to the Mozilla plug-in directory.
16:08:12 <Gord> Where is that?
16:08:43 <Gord> OK I found it
16:08:53 <Doug> On my machine it is E:\MOZILLA.ORG\MOZILLA\PLUGINS - your drive will probably be different
16:09:10 <Doug> There will be a directory call PLUGINS. Copy the file NPWRPDOC.DLL to that directory.
16:10:06 <Doug> Shut down mozilla and restart mozilla. Then check the HELP - ABout PLug-ins and see if it is listed.
16:12:15 <Gord> It is there now. Whole screen full of pieces.
16:12:33 <Doug> OK - now try http://www.warpdoctor.org/home.html
16:17:35 <Doug> What are you seeing now?
16:21:14 <Gord> Doug: I got parts of pretty icons across the top and a text entry box. Then a lockup. REBOOT.
16:21:49 <Doug> Ok - let me try something here for a sec
16:22:26 <KenKrchnr> Doug, I just got a split page with no icons or text.
16:27:14 <Gord> Hmmmm
16:27:28 <KenKrchnr> Methinks Doug's rebooting.
16:27:58 <Rat-Salad> that could very well be :)
16:34:53 <Gord> welcome back, Doug
16:35:12 <Doug> Sorry - I seem to have gotten lost on the IRC somewhere
16:36:06 <Doug> Ken - did you ever get anything other than a blank screen
16:36:39 <KenKrchnr> Doug - retrying now.
16:38:07 <KenKrchnr> Now I don't get anything back. Just a "waiting for..." message.
16:39:14 <Doug> Ken - try www.warpdoctor.org/xhome.html and see if you get anything
16:41:07 <KenKrchnr> Doug - still just waiting, and I can't ping you either. My plugin shows as ver 02.00. Is that right?
16:41:20 <Doug> that is correct.
16:42:47 <Doug> try again - I just restarted the server
16:44:03 <KenKrchnr> Still nothing from the page, nor can I ping. IP is 68.164.47.212, correct?
16:44:34 <Doug> Yes, that is correct
16:45:14 <Doug> Let me restart the gateway - which will unfortunately change the IP address
16:48:09 <Gord> It seems quiet because we are trying out the new plugin
16:48:14 <Doug^> ken - try pinging 68.164.46.114
16:48:27 <Gord> Doug is resetting the server.
16:48:59 <KenKrchnr> Yep, got it.
16:49:11 <Gord> eCSNL: There is no agenda, just an open meeting.
16:49:23 <Doug^> Ok you will have to edit your HOSTS file again and change the IP to 68.164.46.113
16:49:37 <Doug^> then shut down and restart your browser
16:49:52 <Doug^> So the HOSTS file should read
16:50:02 <Doug^> 68.164.46.114 www.warpdoctor.org
16:50:28 <Doug^> When we get done here delete that line from the HOSTS file
16:53:50 <WalterOS2> Hi Roderick
16:55:55 <KenKrchnr> Doug, I seem to have the page now, let me check what's on it.
16:56:53 <KenKrchnr> OK, a menu in the left pane, and text for warpdoctor clinic in the right.
16:57:13 <Doug^> Icons along the top?
16:57:31 <KenKrchnr> (this is at xhome, not home) No icons.
16:57:43 <Doug^> Ok - try home.html
16:58:47 <KenKrchnr> Home just has the empty page with the split bar.
16:59:13 <Gord> The URL changes, but the page at HOME loads fully now.
16:59:34 <Doug^> God - you get the folders on the left and icons on the top?
16:59:43 <Doug^> Gord - I mean
16:59:50 <Gord> Yes.
17:00:27 <Doug^> Great - you can now edit the database table(s) by manipulating the folders, or right clicking and picking a menu option.
17:01:00 <Doug^> Everything but the right three icons on the top works.
17:01:10 <Doug^> Or should work.
17:01:57 <Doug^> Ken I will need to set up something to debug with you a little later. Maybe sometime this week?
17:03:14 <Doug^> Gord - you can change the titles for the folder by alt-clicking on the title.
17:03:35 <Doug^> You can add new folders with the ADD FOLDER icon, or with right-click - Add New Folder.
17:03:50 <Doug^> You can move folders to new locations by dragging the folder.
17:04:10 <Doug^> I made a backup of the table so don't worry about ruining anything
17:04:59 <KenKrchnr> Hey, now it's there!
17:05:01 <Doug^> You can ctl-drag one or more folders to the clipboard icon to copy the folder to the clipboard
17:05:16 <Doug^> and drag the clipboard to a folder to copy the contents of the clipboard to another folder
17:05:17 <Gord> ALT-click on a folder does get a text entry box. Why would I want to change a name?
17:05:21 <KenKrchnr> Icons across the top and all.
17:05:57 <Doug^> The name of the folder is the title that appears on the page for that folder. Try changing the title for HOME, and then click on the HOME folder and see what happens on the right side
17:06:24 <Doug^> Great KEN
17:06:59 <Doug^> The icons across the top are sort of a mix between a toolbar and template icons
17:07:20 <Gord> How can I find out what they do?
17:07:26 <Doug^> Meaning that you can click on the ADD FOLDER icon to get the ADD dialog box, or you can drag the icon to the folder you want to add a new folder below
17:08:10 <Doug^> Sorry _ don't have any help built yet. And the hover help doesn't work for some reason. I have to look at why the hover help doesn't work
17:09:00 <Gord> Looks good anyway.
17:09:05 <Doug^> From left to right the icons are
17:09:26 <Doug^> Settings - you can change the setting for what is displayed in the page, and how it is displayed
17:09:36 <Doug^> Next is TREE VIEW - this is the default view mode
17:09:56 <Doug^> Next is DETAIL view. This switchs the left side display to a details like view.
17:10:19 <Doug^> Next is add a new folder
17:10:24 <Doug^> Next is edit existing folder
17:10:43 <Doug^> next is clipboard. Clickin the icon shows what is on the clipboard
17:11:04 <Doug^> Dragging to the clipboard either cuts (normal drag) or copies (ctl-drag) to the clipboard
17:11:21 <Doug^> Dragging the clipboard to a folder adds the contents of the clipboard below that folder
17:11:41 <Doug^> Next is the trash can. Click on that to delete the currently highlighed folder
17:11:53 <Doug^> The last three icons don't work yet
17:12:31 <Doug^> The SETTINGS icon (first on the left) brings up the settings notebook
17:13:32 <Doug^> The first three pages effect how the site as a whole operates - i.e. what the page looks like, whether the plugin is used, whether a split window or 2 windows is used
17:14:13 <KenKrchnr> Doug, are those settings saved per user, or are they global?
17:14:16 <Doug^> The DATA page changes the display on the left side. If has two minor pages where you can determine which fields are shown in the display and what order the fields are shown in
17:14:25 <Doug^> They are saved per user.
17:14:36 <Doug^> And they are remmbered from session to session
17:15:01 <KenKrchnr> So I didn't just mess up Gords' page huh? ;)
17:15:11 <Doug^> Nope
17:15:47 <Doug^> The DATABASE page lets you switch from getting the data through the plug-in/web site to getting it directly through DB2 Client.
17:15:57 <Doug^> Don't change this setting.
17:16:35 <Doug^> The "editor" - what drives the left side - can run either as a plug-in program or stand-alone without the use of a browser
17:16:51 <Doug^> When running in stand-alone it uses the DB2 CAE (client) to access the data.
17:17:44 <Doug^> If you look on the DATA page of the settings notebook you will see that both the TREE and DETAIL views have 2 variations
17:17:55 <Doug^> You can display the TREE view with or without connecting lines
17:18:20 <Doug^> You can display the DETAILS with all the rows in the table shown at once, or in an "outline" format.
17:18:51 <Doug^> In the outline format - a cross between the TREE function and details function - you can double click on a row to expand or collapse the row
17:19:23 <Doug^> In the details views (either one) you can also alt-click on any field (except read-only fields) to direct edit the contents
17:21:04 <Doug^> Try right clicking in the left area and pick ADMIN from the pop-up menu
17:21:14 <KenKrchnr> Hmm, I tried to edit "Home" to "My Home". I got an error screen in DrRexx.
17:21:19 <KenKrchnr> REX0045: Error 45 running E:\LOTUSW4\TEMP\$W$21RY3.RES, line 3784: No data specified on function RETURN
17:21:21 <Doug^> This will show you the screen where you logon, or create a new user ID
17:22:12 <Doug^> Ken - try right clicking and select refresh
17:22:36 <Doug^> Your change went through. I will look at what caused the error message
17:22:53 <KenKrchnr> I just cleared the window and reloaded the page. It now says "My Home". So it worked.
17:27:10 <KenKrchnr> Other part of the error message was - rc = updateRow(parm.itemHandle, colnum, 1, strip(editcnr.item(eventData.1, 2)))
17:29:14 <Gord> Can we adjourn?
17:30:18 <Doug^> Thanks Gord for checking this out for me. I appreciate it.
17:30:24 <Doug^> Have a nice week
17:35:05 <KenKrchnr> Still here Doug?
17:35:10 <Doug^> yes
17:37:29 <KenKrchnr> OK, I see what gave me the blank page first time. In your code you have a direct reference to "www.warpdoctor.org\wdtoolbar.res". I was using www2.to access. A relative link would work.
17:38:13 <Doug^> Actually - I don't allow relative links in the SRC parameter for the EMBED tag, for security reasons
17:38:33 <KenKrchnr> (that is also a problem I run into with mirroring the website)
17:38:44 <Doug^> That is why I had everyone change the HOSTS file (as a quick way of redirecting the www.warpdoctor.org name)
17:39:18 <Doug^> Everywhere in the site, execpt for plug-in programs, is a relative link.
17:39:46 <Doug^> Plug-in programs won't be run by the plug-in unless the complete URL is specified for the program
17:40:16 <Doug^> The plug-in then checks that URL against a list of acceptable sites (currently only warpdoctor) before allowing the program to run.
17:40:51 <KenKrchnr> Aha. That will be whoever mirrors after me's problem ;)
17:41:31 <WalterOS2> We can adjourn anytime you want to. :-)
17:41:33 <Doug^> By mirror do you mean always running mirror, or backup in case of problems mirror?
17:42:37 <KenKrchnr> Mainly a mirror or load balancing thing. A backup server could have the same url as the server it replaces.
17:42:45 <WalterOS2> I just noticed the time. Anyone want to move that we adjourn?
17:43:32 <Doug^> Most of the html that starts the program is generated by the CGI program. I could set up the CGI program to output the correct, complete URL based on which server it is running on.
17:43:55 <Doug^> Say for instance, that the URL checked an environment variable for the correct URL to use.
17:44:21 <Doug^> I mean that the CGI program checked the variable for the URL, then output the correct URL.
17:44:31 <KenKrchnr> That or Apache's ServerName directive.
17:45:04 <Doug^> That way, after setting some environment variables on the load-balancing servers, we could copy the code over verbatim
17:45:55 <Doug^> move to adjorn
17:46:06 <Doug^> adjourn
17:46:06 <Doug^> leave
17:46:11 <KenKrchnr> second
17:46:14 <Doug^> vamboose
17:46:23 <Doug^> skeedadal
17:47:29 <WalterOS2> Meeting official adjourned. :-)