04-27-103 12:12:01 This meeting of Warpdoctor is now in session. 04-27-103 12:12:48 The agenda is located at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-04-27.html 04-27-103 12:14:21 Agenda Item A. Old Business 04-27-103 12:16:02 Regarding the mirroring and backing up of Warpdoctor, the VOICE group at large has decided to go ahead and move the VOICE1 server from its present location. 04-27-103 12:18:20 However, since then we have formed a committee of 6 people (I think) to work out the nitty gritty and it looks like we may *leave* VOICE1 where it is, convert it into a mirror. Ken and Jeremy along with the rest of us will build a new server--VOICE2?--at Ken's facility in Somerville. 04-27-103 12:18:37 Nothing has been finalized, yet, however. 04-27-103 12:19:54 We have also found a person who lives Windsor, Ontario--just across the river from Detroit--who's willing to help out with any physical moving that may be necessary. 04-27-103 12:20:08 Any questions? 04-27-103 12:27:10 Further discussions regarding mirroring and backup will, in general, take place in the mailing list set up for this committee. If you think you should be on this committee, please let me know. We are, however, trying to keep it relatively small. 04-27-103 12:28:17 Agenda Item B: New Business 04-27-103 12:28:26 1. Status Reports 04-27-103 12:29:01 a. Doug--Would you like to bring us up to date on the DB2 project? 04-27-103 12:29:22 yes I would 04-27-103 12:29:41 If you all want to look at what is running right now, then I can show you some screens 04-27-103 12:30:29 There is still lots to do, and many bugs, but this will give you an idea of the structure of the site 04-27-103 12:30:50 type http://68.164.47.132/home.html 04-27-103 12:31:14 Or cut & paste it 04-27-103 12:32:19 You can also download the lastest version of the plug-in - be sure to get the *.wpi one, not the *.exe one 04-27-103 12:32:48 and install it to your browser. The site will then automatically use the plug-in instead of the format you are (maybe) looking at now 04-27-103 12:33:50 PluginVX? 04-27-103 12:35:16 some of you are hitting one of the bugs. 04-27-103 12:35:29 You missed everything we said about you. 04-27-103 12:35:38 The connection server fails after 6 or 7 connections (pages served) 04-27-103 12:35:49 Doug: what is the name of the plugin file? 04-27-103 12:36:20 ok tto get the plug-in go to www.warpdoctor.org/plugin_page.html 04-27-103 12:36:26 Click on Install Plug-in 04-27-103 12:36:38 Select the top choice the wdRexxin.wpi file 04-27-103 12:37:18 download it, and double click on the downloaded file - you must have WarpIn already installed to do this 04-27-103 12:37:37 The install program will try to install to every browser you have on your machine 04-27-103 12:37:47 You can select which of the browsers to put it on 04-27-103 12:38:01 Hmmm, does it install to Lynx¿ 04-27-103 12:39:02 The only folder that has any contents is WarpDoctor Project - Wed Site Development 04-27-103 12:39:12 That folder has content plus 2 other folders 04-27-103 12:39:34 When someone gets the plug-in installed they can add more folders to that folder if they wish 04-27-103 12:40:28 assuming all this actually works in real life.... 04-27-103 12:42:23 The little folder icons for the non-plugin page need work - they are colored for WebEx 04-27-103 12:43:05 Just make the background transparant 04-27-103 12:43:42 I haven't been successful doing that when converting from icon file to gif or bmp. Do you know how to do that? 04-27-103 12:43:55 I would save me a LOT of trouble 04-27-103 12:43:56 Needs to be GIF89A 04-27-103 12:44:30 when I load an *.ICO file into PmView it changes the transparent color to black 04-27-103 12:44:48 So no matter what format I save it to, the background is black 04-27-103 12:45:05 BMP doesn't have a transparant, earlier version of GIF don't. 04-27-103 12:45:11 Any ideas graphics gurus 04-27-103 12:45:21 Embelish can do transparant 04-27-103 12:45:57 My next tactic was to remove all the background from the icons, so I didn't have to worry about the color 04-27-103 12:46:31 Embellish was released for free awhile back http://www.dadaware.com/ 04-27-103 12:46:40 if BMP and GIF allow non-rectangular shapes 04-27-103 12:47:25 Doug: *.ico/PMView - why not use OS/2's icon editor to get transparent bkgd? 04-27-103 12:47:27 Sorry - currently the plug-in installer only recognizes Netscape, Mozilla, IBM and Opera browsers. 04-27-103 12:47:35 ohhh... I have a lot of experience with pixel-by-pixel editing.. 04-27-103 12:47:39 I could do that 04-27-103 12:47:55 .ico format doesn't do any good for webpages 04-27-103 12:48:33 I believe those are the only browsers on OS/2 that will handle a plug-in 04-27-103 12:48:55 And you said all browers it can find... 04-27-103 12:48:58 Sector: But the icon editor -> transparent; then use PMView to change format?? 04-27-103 12:49:25 Don't know, PMView might support it when converting to GIF 89A, never used it though. 04-27-103 12:50:00 The home.html page is a small page that gets the dimensions of the browser window and determines if the plug-in is installed 04-27-103 12:50:22 It then calls a CGI program on the server - warpdoc_menu.exe which displays the next page. 04-27-103 12:50:48 home.html contains Javascript but is written so that it will work with non-JS enabled browsers, like WebEx 04-27-103 12:51:33 The parameters passed to warpdoc_menu.exe depend on whether the browser recognizes JS and whether the plug-in is installed or not 04-27-103 12:52:02 Even if not, easy enough to bring it into say Embellish and set which color you want as transpart and save as GIF 89A 04-27-103 12:55:52 If you need transpart background I can do that, only take a minute or so. 04-27-103 12:56:05 Can I send you a package of icons/graphics files? 04-27-103 12:56:12 Sure, go ahead 04-27-103 12:56:25 Thanks - I'll email them later today. 04-27-103 12:57:01 BTW - I didn't make most of the icons, I just converted them 04-27-103 12:57:43 Did anyone try the plug-in? 04-27-103 12:58:46 Doug: I did, and it works great! 04-27-103 12:59:04 Did you try adding a new folder? 04-27-103 12:59:33 select a folder and click the AddFolder icon, or right click and pick Add Folder from the pip-up menu 04-27-103 12:59:44 It installed in a snap, and brought up all your files well too. 04-27-103 13:00:12 I don't know which file to use. :-( 04-27-103 13:01:02 just go to http://68.164.47.132/home.html - the plug-in should automatically appear instead of the "normal" oage 04-27-103 13:02:00 The plug-in runs a DrRexx program called wdEdit2.res - which is huge - I haven't had time to compress it yet 04-27-103 13:02:17 so it take a while to download (approx 170k) 04-27-103 13:02:43 Hmmm, not especially long for those with a broadband connection, not even that long for dialup 04-27-103 13:03:24 It will compress to about 1/2 - but this large version is for WD "staff" that will be modifying the structure of the page 04-27-103 13:03:50 For regular viewers and people that want to add content I hope to get the size down to about 20-50 k 04-27-103 13:04:20 Doug: I got the "The Doctor is In" text and a "Continue" button, but it vanished in about a second. 04-27-103 13:04:44 It should - for Netscape/mozilla it automatically submits itself 04-27-103 13:05:14 FWIW, I'm using the IBM Web Browser. 04-27-103 13:05:16 You should eventually see a screen with icons across the top and a container with folders down the left side 04-27-103 13:06:18 Nothing: The URL changes to http://68.164.47.132/cgi-bin/WarpDoc_menu.exe 04-27-103 13:06:31 But no icons or anything. 04-27-103 13:06:57 works here with Warpzilla 1.3 04-27-103 13:07:06 ok - sorry - I haven't tested it yet on a virgin machine, but I was hoping I would get lucky and you guys could see it today 04-27-103 13:07:26 MAD - are you getting the container with icons along the top 04-27-103 13:07:47 ? 04-27-103 13:08:14 I get 5 folder icons down the left side 04-27-103 13:08:57 Can you expand the folders with the little plus icon? 04-27-103 13:09:03 Ah, I mean 6 folder icons 04-27-103 13:09:43 No plus sign here. But each opens when I click on it 04-27-103 13:09:56 ok - you are looking at the non-plugin page 04-27-103 13:09:57 I haven't installed the plugin for a while 04-27-103 13:10:18 Ah. I thought I had it but its not listed in about plugins 04-27-103 13:10:32 Where is the latest plugin 04-27-103 13:10:35 let me upload a screen shot of what the page looks like with the plug-in 04-27-103 13:10:38 Doug: My problem with Mozilla is that before I can even try it, I have to completely uninstall the IBM Web Browser. 04-27-103 13:11:21 Walter - it should work with IBM web browser - don't trouble yourself about it. I will test it on another machine 04-27-103 13:11:37 plugin at www.warpdoctor.org/plugin_page select Install plug-in 04-27-103 13:11:46 get the *.wpi file NOT the *.exe file 04-27-103 13:15:46 Doug: You've done a lot of work, and we really appreciate it. 04-27-103 13:16:25 ok the screen shot of what the page looks like when using the plug-in is www.warpdoctor.org/images/aaaa.gif 04-27-103 13:18:39 Anything else, or can we move on? 04-27-103 13:18:48 About: plugins shows it installed. 04-27-103 13:19:31 But I get a blank screen like Walter 04-27-103 13:21:27 Agenda Item B1c: Status Reports: Jeremy 04-27-103 13:22:55 hmm let me see here... www.warpdoctor.org status report? 04-27-103 13:23:00 Jeremy: Do you have anything to bring us up to date on? 04-27-103 13:23:51 if thats what you mean... I'm just doing a whole lot of waiting around.. for Doug mostly :) 04-27-103 13:24:31 I have no changes to the website to report 04-27-103 13:24:40 although 04-27-103 13:25:40 when I pull myself away from some other projects here I am going to set up the IRC java chat applets on both os2voice.org and warpdoctor.org 04-27-103 13:26:47 Also, Jeremy is heavily involved in the mirroring and/or moving of VOICE1. :-) 04-27-103 13:28:33 Jeremy and Ken are starting to utter words I've never heard of before. :-) 04-27-103 13:29:28 If you need an explanation of something just ask away. 04-27-103 13:30:00 OK, what's a DNS zone? or a TTL? 04-27-103 13:30:10 TTL=Time To Live 04-27-103 13:30:25 DNS zone is used on the DNS server to point to where you are going 04-27-103 13:30:55 That's a strange way of using "zone" isn't it? 04-27-103 13:30:57 in other words if we have access to that zone file we can point things where ever we please 04-27-103 13:32:46 OK, I think I get it. Thanks. 04-27-103 13:32:49 if we had access to this file... we could change the DNS for our sites, and have those changes recognized most places on the internet before the server ever got to its new destination 04-27-103 13:33:12 Yup, just need to switch the DNS servers for the domain to one we have access to 04-27-103 13:33:54 it would be faster than making changes with our registrar if something came up 04-27-103 13:34:47 Ummm, we don't make zone file changes at the registers (unless they happen to be hosting the DNS server as well) 04-27-103 13:35:55 you know what I meant Sector... it would be faster to have a standard location for our DNS than transfering the DNS on file to another location 04-27-103 13:36:25 Don't need to transfer it very often 04-27-103 13:36:36 our servers are hosted free of charge.. you never know when arrangements will change 04-27-103 13:37:31 changing an A (host) record is faster than transfering to different DNS through the registrar... through a registrar it's going to take them atleast 72 hours 04-27-103 13:38:01 There's no reason for them to take 72 hours 04-27-103 13:38:12 Not saying it wouldn't, just no reason for it. 04-27-103 13:38:38 with just having to change an A record, its just a matter of the users ISP provided nameservers recognizing the changes 04-27-103 13:38:55 As long as we have access to the DNS server changing the A record isn't a problem 04-27-103 13:39:37 right... but dyndns.org service I'm talking about would be a perminant DNS hosting arrangement 04-27-103 13:39:55 The upshot of it all is that it makes sense to have control of your dns records. And a dns hosting service facilitates that. 04-27-103 13:40:42 a one time $30 donation is really a great deal for DNS hosting for a life time 04-27-103 13:40:42 Just saying it's not needed to do that to have access 04-27-103 13:40:57 The account should be setup for VOICE with dual or triple contact control to avoid ownership and admin issues. 04-27-103 13:41:16 Agreed 04-27-103 13:44:21 OK, let's move on. 04-27-103 13:45:00 Agenda Item B1c: wdl compatible device list 04-27-103 13:45:14 Bill--do have anything to report? 04-27-103 13:45:35 No change to "my" input pages since last we spoke. You need soon? 04-27-103 13:45:39 do you even 04-27-103 13:46:00 fairly soon. 04-27-103 13:46:29 OK. Next day or so. Same location, for your perusal. 04-27-103 13:46:57 It sounds like Doug is about ready to put together a Phase 1, and your form needs to be a part of that. :-) 04-27-103 13:47:26 But... Any changes/additions? Anyone thunk thoughts not yet revealed? 04-27-103 13:48:09 I liked the last one except for the one or two comments I made last week. 04-27-103 13:48:58 I'd left the pages *minimally* changed from the originals. Gord wanted the "linput" page re-ordered. 04-27-103 13:49:14 Easy enought to do. Everyone agree with Gord? 04-27-103 13:49:52 wdl: I've forgotten what Gord wanted. Could you refresh my memory? 04-27-103 13:50:49 04-20-103 13:52:22 I would like to see a narrower space between "Is this 04-27-103 13:50:49 device" and "Which OS" 04-27-103 13:50:49 04-20-103 13:53:00 And a larger space after the line "Which OS" 04-27-103 13:50:49 04-20-103 13:53:35 Also the order of the questions on the long and shrt 04-27-103 13:50:49 forms should be the same. 04-27-103 13:50:59 WalterOS2: He wanted "linput" to have the same line-item order as "input". I agree, actually. 04-27-103 13:51:54 Sector: I'm not sure aboutthe "...larger space...". Gotta look at that more carefully. 04-27-103 13:51:59 OK, then we might as well do it. 04-27-103 13:52:21 wdl: What's the problem with the larger space? 04-27-103 13:52:54 BTW, is the form displayed on the web somewhere? 04-27-103 13:53:29 On my browser, it looks like maybe it's "just the way it is". As I said, gotta look at the code. 04-27-103 13:54:38 WalterOS2: displayed at: http://pws.prserv.net/wdl/hcl/input.html ...I think. 04-27-103 13:55:47 Hmm. Just looked at it. I guess it's fixable. 04-27-103 13:56:49 The space below the top entry line is deliberate - makes that "USABLE" idea super-clear. 04-27-103 13:57:11 But I'll change it if y'all want... 04-27-103 13:58:59 Doug, or whoever gets the final product, needs to put in a correct "email" link. 04-27-103 14:05:00 wdl: I think if you make the few changes suggested or reviewed here, you can consider the form final. :-) 04-27-103 14:06:01 If anyone has something he wants to add, speak quickly or forever hold his peace. :-) 04-27-103 14:06:50 The chair is open for a motion to adjourn. 04-27-103 14:06:57 move to quit 04-27-103 14:07:14 All in favour of adjourning, type Aye. 04-27-103 14:07:23 aye 04-27-103 14:07:24 Aye 04-27-103 14:07:36 aye 04-27-103 14:07:37 aye 04-27-103 14:07:49 now aye 04-27-103 14:08:11 All opposed, type Nay. 04-27-103 14:08:38 The motion is carried, and meeting is adjourned.