03-09-103 12:05:35 <WalterOS2> This meeting Warpdoctor is now in progress.
03-09-103 12:05:51 <WalterOS2> Walter or Sector are taking the log.
03-09-103 12:05:52 <Sector> Yes
03-09-103 12:06:33 * WalterOS2 notes that we both take it in case there are computer problems.
03-09-103 12:08:04 <WalterOS2> For those who have not yet seen the agenda, it is available at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-03-09.html .
03-09-103 12:08:30 <WalterOS2> If you haven't read it, please do so now. :-)
03-09-103 12:10:53 <WalterOS2> Our first order of business on the Agenda is:
03-09-103 12:11:29 <WalterOS2> Item A1: Proposal to have WD support channel on the eCS Network.
03-09-103 12:12:04 <WalterOS2> I believe this is dead.  Am I correct?
03-09-103 12:13:50 <WalterOS2> You're just in time to answer a question for us.
03-09-103 12:14:32 <WalterOS2> The agenda has the following item: Proposal to have WD support channel on the eCS Network.
03-09-103 12:14:45 <WalterOS2> Did that proposal die last week?
03-09-103 12:14:57 <Doug> I guess so.
03-09-103 12:15:05 <Doug> That seemed to be the consenses
03-09-103 12:15:07 <WalterOS2> I thought so as well.
03-09-103 12:15:33 <WalterOS2> It was unfortunate, but that's life, sometimes. :-(
03-09-103 12:15:45 <Sector> It would just fragment things more
03-09-103 12:16:34 <Sector> Allready pre existing support channels
03-09-103 12:16:53 <WalterOS2> Roderick is absent for now at least, so we can't discuss the next agenda item: The Internet Assistant.
03-09-103 12:17:48 <WalterOS2> OK, OLD BUSINESS
03-09-103 12:18:20 <WalterOS2> 1. Status Reports:  Status of T1 - Ken
03-09-103 12:18:50 <KenKrchnr> Well, we just got a tentative install date of March 19.
03-09-103 12:19:13 <KenKrchnr> Now to see if Verizon can hold that.
03-09-103 12:20:02 <KenKrchnr> They have been pretty much agreeable to now, we'll see how it goes.
03-09-103 12:20:43 <WalterOS2> Ken, do you have anything you can elaborate on?
03-09-103 12:20:58 <KenKrchnr> With the install?
03-09-103 12:22:30 <KenKrchnr> Not a whole lot to it. We're getting 8 ip addresses, standard router, 99.7% uptime sla.
03-09-103 12:23:22 <KenKrchnr> Once we have an install we may see other things.
03-09-103 12:23:32 <WalterOS2> Will it make much difference to your operation?
03-09-103 12:24:13 <KenKrchnr> Not right off the bat, but later this year we are going to be having more customer access to our system.
03-09-103 12:24:42 <KenKrchnr> Right now we only have a selected group that we allow to access.
03-09-103 12:25:18 <KenKrchnr> Then we'll probably tie the two plants together.
03-09-103 12:25:34 <WalterOS2> Two plants?
03-09-103 12:25:48 <KenKrchnr> Yes, we have 1 in NJ, 1 in PA.
03-09-103 12:27:07 <KenKrchnr> Only the NJ plant. PA is just mfg. All the scheduling, purchasing and customer access is thru NJ.
03-09-103 12:27:31 <Sector> Ok, what sort of access does PA have¿
03-09-103 12:27:56 <KenKrchnr> They have a "unlimited" isdn.
03-09-103 12:28:08 <Sector> BRI¿  PRI¿
03-09-103 12:28:23 <KenKrchnr> BRI, 2 channel.
03-09-103 12:28:31 <Sector> 2 B 1 D...
03-09-103 12:28:41 <Sector> Ok, so 128k and 16k signalling
03-09-103 12:28:57 * Sector is just thinking in terms of mirrors
03-09-103 12:29:08 <KenKrchnr> Yep, tho' with compression we generally get about 144.
03-09-103 12:29:44 <KenKrchnr> It would be a possibility, but would have dynamic ip.
03-09-103 12:30:01 <Sector> That's workable
03-09-103 12:30:26 <KenKrchnr> Right now the system init's in the morning and stays connected 'til 6pm et.
03-09-103 12:31:07 <Sector> As long as we had a CNAME pointing to the Dynamic IP...  (dyndns.org for example)
03-09-103 12:31:16 <WalterOS2> Ken: Are the groups you mentioned earlier who have access to your system related to your business, or do they just use your computer systems?
03-09-103 12:31:25 <KenKrchnr> That would be the mirror problem, the router hangs up. 
03-09-103 12:31:50 <KenKrchnr> And if it doesn't, Verizon cuts it down after 12 rs.
03-09-103 12:32:22 <KenKrchnr> All are customers.
03-09-103 12:32:40 <Sector> Ok, maybe it wasn't such a good idea... 
03-09-103 12:32:57 <WalterOS2> Why does your router/Verizon limit your uptime like that?
03-09-103 12:33:47 <KenKrchnr> It's the type of account we have. They gave a "special" rate, but they impose those restrictions.
03-09-103 12:34:12 <KenKrchnr> Not a problem to us, because after office hours there is no need for the link.
03-09-103 12:34:18 <WalterOS2> Will you still have those restrictions on the T1?
03-09-103 12:34:43 <KenKrchnr> No, the t1 is unrestricted, unmeterd full service.
03-09-103 12:35:12 <KenKrchnr> Even now the FR is static, just slower and 1 ip.
03-09-103 12:35:22 <KenKrchnr> Plus, less reliable.
03-09-103 12:35:38 <WalterOS2> What is FR?
03-09-103 12:35:50 <Sector> Frame Relay
03-09-103 12:35:58 <KenKrchnr> Frame Relay, that's the fractional T1 type we have.
03-09-103 12:37:48 <WalterOS2> Ken: how many computers do you have at the PA location?
03-09-103 12:38:13 <KenKrchnr> Just 2, and 1 is the link. Not much going on there.
03-09-103 12:39:12 <WalterOS2> I guess it is a valid question.  I'm thinking of where we could put our mirror.
03-09-103 12:39:24 <WalterOS2> This is down the road, of course.
03-09-103 12:39:47 <Doug> Walter - don't we already have a mirror at Ken's NJ location?
03-09-103 12:40:04 <Sector> But that's where the main server will be going.
03-09-103 12:40:16 <Doug> Oh - is walkabout going away?
03-09-103 12:40:33 <WalterOS2> No - we're going away from it!
03-09-103 12:40:41 <Sector> Plan is to move the main server.
03-09-103 12:40:58 <WalterOS2> They're not a trustworthy location in the longterm.
03-09-103 12:41:29 <Doug> Could Walkabout be the mirror site?
03-09-103 12:41:31 <WalterOS2> So we need one new computer for the mirror, and two new locations.
03-09-103 12:42:05 <WalterOS2> ThinkExtreme doesn't use OS/2 and doesn't answer my email.
03-09-103 12:42:27 <WalterOS2> ThinkExtreme is the company that bought out Walkabout.
03-09-103 12:43:21 <Doug> If you have a machine there already, and it runs, couldn't it act as a mirror until it stops running?
03-09-103 12:43:30 <WalterOS2> The two new locations could both be in the same building, but on two separate computers.  That is probably not the best situation, however.
03-09-103 12:43:41 <Sector> The machine is going to be moved
03-09-103 12:43:51 <Sector> Thats the system that'll be located in NJ
03-09-103 12:43:53 <WalterOS2> And be our main computer.
03-09-103 12:44:36 <KenKrchnr> With all my redundancy and backups and generators, we lost our connection about two weeks ago.
03-09-103 12:44:53 <WalterOS2> What happened?
03-09-103 12:45:11 <KenKrchnr> There was a transformer fire on the pole down the street from us, and it melted the phone wires :-)
03-09-103 12:45:24 <KenKrchnr> We were down for 16 hours.
03-09-103 12:48:54 <Doug> Do we know anyone in Europe that could act as a mirror?
03-09-103 12:49:36 <WalterOS2> WarpedOS2: You mentioned once that your ISP might offer you something.
03-09-103 12:49:56 <WalterOS2> Do you think you could provide a mirror with that?
03-09-103 12:50:23 <WarpedOS2> If Voice was stuck and needed a home, my ISP said he would let me know some minor costs to host the Voice1 server
03-09-103 12:51:07 <WalterOS2> What kind of connection?
03-09-103 12:51:15 <WarpedOS2> The upgrade to the internet hasn't happend but looks like maybe the end of May, the new internet connection will go from T1 to 3 meg
03-09-103 12:51:24 <Doug> Does OS2SS, Netlabs have mirrors?
03-09-103 12:52:18 <WarpedOS2> and as traffic increases...the 3 meg can be expanded to as high as 45 meg
03-09-103 12:52:24 <KenKrchnr> Netlabs seems to have a lot of connection problems, I'd guess "No".
03-09-103 12:53:28 <WarpedOS2> If Voice1 has to move from its present location...I had talked to my ISP and he said if and when his present T1 is upgraded to 3 meg then he would consider if you wanted ....to move Voice1 onto that 3 meg pipe
03-09-103 12:54:21 <WalterOS2> What is the speed of a T1?
03-09-103 12:54:24 <WarpedOS2> he would give me a monthly cost then but also would need to know what kind of traffic Voice1 would consume
03-09-103 12:54:37 <Rat-Salad> btw... I'm in my second week of using dyndns.org's custom service... I noticed some nice feature besides just being able to manage your zone file
03-09-103 12:55:03 <Rat-Salad> you can set a off-line URL for entries
03-09-103 12:56:13 <Rat-Salad> for example if someone tried to goto www.os2voice.org ... and it was unreachable ... it would go to Ken... the person not needing to even know about Ken's mirror
03-09-103 12:56:26 <Sector> That could come in usefull
03-09-103 12:57:39 <Sector> Knowing about the mirror might be needed though to get around caching DNS servers
03-09-103 12:57:55 <KenKrchnr> That was what I was getting at when we talked about where Voice's nameservers were ;-)
03-09-103 12:59:16 <KenKrchnr> If all is moved from IW, there would be a good opportunity to go to a dns hosting service.
03-09-103 12:59:31 <Sector> Simply changing the IP for the A record in the DNS servers zone file would also do the trick.
03-09-103 12:59:50 <Sector> Assuming the DNS server is reachable
03-09-103 13:00:23 <KenKrchnr> Right, but if IW has the NS, and RS isn't Admin Contact, hard to change.
03-09-103 13:00:43 <Sector> Right now yes, but we'll be changing that
03-09-103 13:00:43 <Rat-Salad> I really like dyndns.org's custom dns service... and I was thinking it might be a good choice for os2voice.org, and warpdoctor.org
03-09-103 13:14:33 <WalterOS2> Ken: Would it be imposing on you too much to set up our mirror on your PA plant (the one that does the mfg) and have the main one (ours at the NJ where we now have the mirror?
03-09-103 13:15:07 <WalterOS2> (ours = (ours)
03-09-103 13:15:09 <Doug> Walter - doyou want to have a mirror that is only up 12 hrs of the day?
03-09-103 13:15:20 <KenKrchnr> It'd be no problem to have it there. But how to access when connection is closed?
03-09-103 13:16:01 <WalterOS2> Will it be closed for 12 hrs / day when you get the T1?
03-09-103 13:16:38 <KenKrchnr> That's the problem. It's a different provider. Nothing to do with NJ.
03-09-103 13:16:58 <WalterOS2> OK, scratch that idea. 
03-09-103 13:19:02 <WalterOS2> eCSNL: Would Mensys be able and/or willing to provide a mirror for the VOICE server?
03-09-103 13:20:36 <eCSNL> What kind of mirror ?
03-09-103 13:20:48 <eCSNL> A complete replica of your server with DB2 database ?
03-09-103 13:21:06 <eCSNL> and all bells and and other things ?
03-09-103 13:21:21 <Doug> bells and whistles
03-09-103 13:21:35 <WalterOS2> An alternate site which users can access if os2voice.org becomes inaccessible.
03-09-103 13:21:55 <WalterOS2> We were just discussing the matter when you dropped in. :-)
03-09-103 13:22:38 <eCSNL> Hmmm well I'm not the manager of Mensys :-)
03-09-103 13:22:42 <WarpedOS2> Does that include mail too Walter?
03-09-103 13:22:44 <eCSNL> So I can not say yes....
03-09-103 13:23:05 <WalterOS2> We do all the maintenance and setup.  All you provide is the disk space.
03-09-103 13:23:13 <eCSNL> The point is how much traffic does your server generate a month in gigabyes ?
03-09-103 13:23:30 <eCSNL> Well if its doing to run DB2 you need a seperated machine I gues....
03-09-103 13:23:42 <eCSNL> Not just "disk space"
03-09-103 13:24:12 <Rat-Salad> I think this is a lot to ask :/
03-09-103 13:24:13 <WalterOS2> No, it does not have to be a separate machine.
03-09-103 13:24:47 <WalterOS2> OK, well I figured I give it a try.
03-09-103 13:24:51 <Doug> If we are going to do the setup it would have to be a separate machine.
03-09-103 13:24:58 <WalterOS2> I appreciate your hesitation.
03-09-103 13:25:12 <eCSNL> I don't have hesitation...
03-09-103 13:25:14 <Doug> Otherwise they would have to give us access to their system, which is not reasonable.
03-09-103 13:25:30 <WalterOS2> Ken's mirror isn't a separate machine, as I understand it.
03-09-103 13:25:39 <Sector> We could just mirror the webpages, not the whole server
03-09-103 13:25:40 <Doug> But Ken is the one that did all the setup
03-09-103 13:26:00 <KenKrchnr> But Ken's machine was only doing FAX duty recently..
03-09-103 13:26:12 <eCSNL> Well a mirror of the webpages I think should be no problem....
03-09-103 13:26:13 <WalterOS2> OK, I should have stated that better.
03-09-103 13:26:36 <KenKrchnr> It was going to be removed from service if not for Voice.
03-09-103 13:26:47 <WalterOS2> Anyway, I guess I didn't fully understand what was involved.
03-09-103 13:26:56 <Doug> If you are talking mirror of VOICE it is only web pages, possibly mail server
03-09-103 13:27:00 <KenKrchnr> Another one for the "dead computer room" ;-)
03-09-103 13:27:09 <Doug> If you are talking mirror of WD, it is DB2 and web pages
03-09-103 13:27:38 <eCSNL> The main website of Mensys is of course stricly off limits :-)
03-09-103 13:27:52 <WalterOS2> eCSNL: I apologize if I put you in an awkward position.
03-09-103 13:28:07 <eCSNL> You have put me in no difficult position
03-09-103 13:28:18 <eCSNL> as long as I don't make promises I can not live up to....
03-09-103 13:28:35 <eCSNL> The most importanted question is.....
03-09-103 13:28:47 <eCSNL> How much traffic does the voice server generate ?
03-09-103 13:28:52 <eCSNL> in terms of GB a month...
03-09-103 13:29:06 <eCSNL> Including the emails for the voice news service....
03-09-103 13:29:08 <WalterOS2> RS: or Sector can you find that information?
03-09-103 13:29:19 * Sector doesn't have it
03-09-103 13:29:36 <Rat-Salad> it's pretty high
03-09-103 13:29:47 <eCSNL> The point is that for Cross atlantic traffic the meter usaly starts running if we create a lot of traffic ?
03-09-103 13:29:51 <eCSNL> Well HTML traffic ?
03-09-103 13:30:11 <eCSNL> *pure* html traffic the Mensys server does 15 GB a month...
03-09-103 13:30:13 <Rat-Salad> httpd traffic can be pretty heavy
03-09-103 13:30:17 <eCSNL> So what is much ?
03-09-103 13:31:12 <WalterOS2> I guess Mark is the only one who can access that information, and he isn't here today.
03-09-103 13:31:22 <Doug> Walter - are you thinking of Mensys for a backup site when the main site is down? or as a mirror for European users?
03-09-103 13:31:38 <WalterOS2> The former.
03-09-103 13:31:41 <Rat-Salad> I don't have the information in data transfer... but I have seen the page hit counts.... and it's in the hundred thousands... (I know that doesn't sound very possible... but..)
03-09-103 13:31:58 <Sector> Peaks around the 1st when the newsletter comes out
03-09-103 13:32:22 <eCSNL> Well coupled on website traffic I would need to discuss this with my boss, but if there advertised involved...
03-09-103 13:32:24 <WalterOS2> Especially the first few days after the Newsletter comes out.
03-09-103 13:32:34 <eCSNL> Lets say on a few pages a banner to the Mensys website :-)
03-09-103 13:32:40 <Sector> That could be arranged
03-09-103 13:33:03 <eCSNL> I can not make not promises at the moment....
03-09-103 13:33:12 <Doug> But the total traffic for a month would be small because the Mensys site would only be used for a short time when the main site was down? Correct?
03-09-103 13:33:14 <eCSNL> Send me some detailed traffic information....
03-09-103 13:33:28 <Rat-Salad> I'll dig it up eCSNL
03-09-103 13:34:16 <WalterOS2> Doug is right.  The monthly use would normally be small, because the main site rarely goes down even now.
03-09-103 13:34:40 <WalterOS2> And we are working to improve that even more.
03-09-103 13:34:56 <WalterOS2> However, there would be the regular updating.
03-09-103 13:35:30 <WalterOS2> Normally this is scheduled at a time when the servers are relatively inactive.
03-09-103 13:36:20 <WalterOS2> Roderick:
03-09-103 13:36:58 <WalterOS2> Now that you're here, there's a matter on the agenda that you and Doug can present for us.
03-09-103 13:37:17 <WalterOS2> I guess mostly you: <g>
03-09-103 13:37:33 <WalterOS2> It has to do with the Internet Assistant.
03-09-103 13:37:36 <eCSNL> Ahaa well let me first put it like this..
03-09-103 13:37:58 <eCSNL> My remark on this program was sparked by a discussion on the Dutch OS/2 user group mailing list....
03-09-103 13:38:26 <eCSNL> Something that is in a lot of cases demotivating for developers is to develop something and not hear back from end users...
03-09-103 13:38:32 <eCSNL> They are the people who use the software....
03-09-103 13:39:01 <eCSNL> The OS/2 developers we have left we should realy be thankfull for...
03-09-103 13:39:18 <eCSNL> But over the months I have been hearing more and more developers thinking 
03-09-103 13:39:26 <eCSNL> Well I'm going to stop development for OS/2....
03-09-103 13:39:36 <eCSNL> Or at least reduce the amount of time I invest...
03-09-103 13:39:54 <eCSNL> I can not remeber clear numbers...
03-09-103 13:40:15 <eCSNL> But what is clear in my opion is that a lot of projects die because of the lack of feedback...
03-09-103 13:40:25 <eCSNL> Developers end up testing there own software...
03-09-103 13:40:36 <eCSNL> Of course they need todo that before releasing....
03-09-103 13:40:48 <eCSNL> Here is the suggestion....
03-09-103 13:41:00 <eCSNL> Put in os2voice a section where developers can 
03-09-103 13:41:12 <eCSNL> post a short description of there application
03-09-103 13:41:21 <eCSNL> and what needs to be tested and how....
03-09-103 13:41:32 <Rat-Salad> this can certainly be done...
03-09-103 13:41:37 <eCSNL> Just having looked at the visitors numbers of the website 
03-09-103 13:41:42 <eCSNL> (thanks sector)
03-09-103 13:41:51 <WalterOS2> I know exactly what eCSNL means.
03-09-103 13:41:56 <eCSNL> I think this would close a the hole a bit between developers 
03-09-103 13:42:00 <eCSNL> and end users....
03-09-103 13:42:18 <WalterOS2> I've run into a number of programs that seem to have only been tested by the developer.
03-09-103 13:42:18 <Rat-Salad> I think you have a good idea... and we can do this
03-09-103 13:42:19 * Sector doesn't see a problem with implementing that
03-09-103 13:42:32 <eCSNL> A kind of example of such a project
03-09-103 13:42:42 <eCSNL> where I have had a developer on the phone is
03-09-103 13:42:45 <eCSNL> Christiaan
03-09-103 13:42:48 <eCSNL> Hmmm 
03-09-103 13:43:04 <eCSNL> his last name I mix his last name up with somebody his last name...
03-09-103 13:43:11 <eCSNL> It could be Langlanke....
03-09-103 13:43:25 <eCSNL> He developed a project called internet assistant....
03-09-103 13:43:38 <Doug> That sounds like the Netlabs EPM, CVS guy
03-09-103 13:43:53 <eCSNL> I'm not certain...
03-09-103 13:44:20 <Doug> He has done a number of things
03-09-103 13:44:54 <eCSNL> Here is the project....
03-09-103 13:44:55 <eCSNL> http://www.teamruhr.de/iaos2/
03-09-103 13:45:12 <eCSNL> The point is that the project is even in the bugtracker of ecomstation.com
03-09-103 13:45:17 <eCSNL> Not much feedback has come back...
03-09-103 13:45:55 <eCSNL> Not every OS/2 user has the time/skills to do beta testing....
03-09-103 13:46:12 <eCSNL> But I have fealing a lot more OS/2 users could contribute....
03-09-103 13:46:20 <eCSNL> With the generic WIN/OS2 audio drivers....
03-09-103 13:46:30 <eCSNL> I did about 90% of the bug reports to the developer....
03-09-103 13:46:56 <eCSNL> I think its typical for most OS/2 projects that the developers get feedback from only a small group of users...
03-09-103 13:47:09 <eCSNL> And this lethal for people who get demotivated
03-09-103 13:47:31 <eCSNL> I need to type that differently....
03-09-103 13:47:48 <eCSNL> Its lethal for OS/2 that a lot of projects die because developers  get demotivated....
03-09-103 13:47:50 <Doug> we understand
03-09-103 13:47:51 <Sector> It's demoralizing
03-09-103 13:48:12 <eCSNL> Its the same with os2ezine
03-09-103 13:48:14 <eCSNL> os2voice
03-09-103 13:48:20 <eCSNL> And the Ducth Draad/2
03-09-103 13:48:41 <eCSNL> Which is printed on paper and shipped out to about 900 members 4 times year...
03-09-103 13:49:10 <eCSNL> Most of the beta testers are usely also the people who write the articles for the OS/2 ezine/printed stuff...
03-09-103 13:49:25 <WalterOS2> One of the things I like about the Bugtracker is that's simple to fill in, compared with BugZilla which is a monster.
03-09-103 13:49:37 <eCSNL> We need more OS/2 users to test.....
03-09-103 13:49:39 <WalterOS2> IOW, KISS
03-09-103 13:50:01 <eCSNL> And I hope os2voice can put up a page where people can submit projects to test....
03-09-103 13:50:07 <eCSNL> Work more closely with ecomstation.com
03-09-103 13:50:10 <eCSNL> and netlabs.org....
03-09-103 13:50:31 <WalterOS2> Sorry: In Other Words, Keep It Simple
03-09-103 13:51:02 <eCSNL> I'm not keeping it simple ?
03-09-103 13:51:18 <Sector> Think he was refering to the bugzilla, not you
03-09-103 13:51:22 <WalterOS2> No, I'm saying the FORM should be kept simple.
03-09-103 13:51:31 <Doug> You are - Walter was praising BugTracker - as opposed to BugZilla
03-09-103 13:51:51 <eCSNL> ANybody who has an ecomstation login ID and password
03-09-103 13:51:52 <eCSNL> login....
03-09-103 13:51:59 <eCSNL> You can see the bugtracke at work...
03-09-103 13:52:03 <WalterOS2> FORM or Internet Assistant
03-09-103 13:52:15 <WalterOS2> Right.
03-09-103 13:52:30 <eCSNL> What voice there role would be is not to RUN a bugtracker but put out a 
03-09-103 13:52:53 <Sector> Put out a notice¿
03-09-103 13:53:05 <eCSNL> monthly section of projects that could use help....
03-09-103 13:53:15 <eCSNL> More specily people who write an installation manual....
03-09-103 13:53:20 <eCSNL> Or submit bugs....
03-09-103 13:53:31 <eCSNL> Thats what missing.
03-09-103 13:53:36 <eCSNL> Let the developer code...
03-09-103 13:53:53 <eCSNL> Instead of wasting the time on stupid things while he can code....
03-09-103 13:54:07 <eCSNL> Remeber the OS/2 community does not have many developers!
03-09-103 13:54:44 <eCSNL> So it would be nice if people could help does developers work more efficient...
03-09-103 13:55:04 <Sector> Hmmm, might be able to setup something where developers could enter there project and relevant information, perhaps send out an update to the VOICE News list once a week or something.
03-09-103 13:55:28 <eCSNL> But also in the monthly newsletter....
03-09-103 13:55:33 <eCSNL> Department...
03-09-103 13:55:38 <Sector> Yeah, that too
03-09-103 13:56:56 <eCSNL> Internet assistant is a program that is nice example....
03-09-103 13:57:07 <eCSNL> As I said he has not had much feedback.....
03-09-103 13:57:14 <eCSNL> Read the website.....
03-09-103 13:57:40 <eCSNL> It ames to provide a unified interface to configure the different OS/2 dialers and browsers...
03-09-103 13:58:19 <wdl> eCSNL: Your "More specily people who write an installation manual...." rings a bell for me.
03-09-103 13:58:37 <eCSNL> Meaning ?
03-09-103 13:58:56 <wdl> ecSNL: ...but negatively.  I've offered to do that maybe a dozen times...
03-09-103 13:59:17 <eCSNL> The point is a end user who has much better knowlegde of how to describe it in "dummy" language
03-09-103 13:59:21 <eCSNL> then the developer maybe...
03-09-103 13:59:33 <wdl> ecSNL: ...and *NO*ne even wrote back!
03-09-103 13:59:53 <eCSNL> He is sooked into the program and maybe describes it to technically....
03-09-103 14:00:44 <WalterOS2> wdl: An installation for eCS?
03-09-103 14:00:54 <WalterOS2> installation manual, I mean.
03-09-103 14:01:27 <wdl> WalterOS2: No.  Generic "clean up the English".
03-09-103 14:03:16 <WalterOS2> OK, that nicely covers the agenda, and it just happens to be 5:03p ET.
03-09-103 14:04:06 <Sector> Well, skipped part of it actually
03-09-103 14:04:22 <WalterOS2> What was that?
03-09-103 14:04:32 <Sector> B2, C, D
03-09-103 14:04:56 <WalterOS2> B2: Roderick just did that. :-)
03-09-103 14:05:16 <WalterOS2> C: NEW BUSINESS
03-09-103 14:05:30 <Sector> Nope, didn't cover that bit, HCL is wdl and Gord
03-09-103 14:06:01 <WalterOS2>     OK, Sector: What do you want to say about the Webbnet?
03-09-103 14:06:25 <Sector> Ummm, that was your agenda, what did you want to know¿
03-09-103 14:06:48 <WalterOS2> Any updates?
03-09-103 14:07:17 <Sector> 10 servers currently (7 US, 2 Canadian, 1 Europe)
03-09-103 14:07:25 <WalterOS2> wrt Webbnet.
03-09-103 14:07:45 <WalterOS2> Is that it?
03-09-103 14:07:54 <Rat-Salad> look at http://irc.fyrelizard.com/
03-09-103 14:08:22 <Rat-Salad> there's also a java chat applet set up there
03-09-103 14:08:30 <Sector> irc.fl.fyrelizard.com for example
03-09-103 14:08:44 <Sector> That pages has all the relevant links
03-09-103 14:10:03 <WalterOS2> I'm leave B1 and B2 until next week. :-)
03-09-103 14:10:09 <WalterOS2> leaving
03-09-103 14:10:17 <Sector> We did discuss B1
03-09-103 14:14:30 <WalterOS2> There is a motion on the table.
03-09-103 14:14:45 <Gord> I second the motion
03-09-103 14:15:03 <WalterOS2> All in favour of Doug's motion that we adjourn and  continue, type Aye.
03-09-103 14:15:08 <Doug> Aye
03-09-103 14:15:09 <Rat-Salad> aye
03-09-103 14:15:13 <Zeb> Aye
03-09-103 14:15:13 <WalterOS2> Aye
03-09-103 14:15:14 <eCSNL> no
03-09-103 14:15:15 <XRange> Aye
03-09-103 14:15:28 <WarpedOS2> aye
03-09-103 14:15:52 <WalterOS2> The motion is carried.
03-09-103 14:15:59 <WalterOS2> The meeting is adjourned.