*** Log Activated #warpdoctor (I:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\LOGS\#warpdoc.log) *** WalterOS2 (~wfmetcalf@CPE00a0cc277d91-CM023449900505.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #warpdoctor [13:22:56] *** The topic for #warpdoctor is: - Trial Setup of Warpdoctor channel *** Topic set by Warp on Sun Feb 23 10:00:00 2003 *** Names on #WarpDoctor: WalterOS2 Zeb WarpedOS2 @MaxWarp @DarWood @Max|bnc Rat-Salad @Warp *** #WarpDoctor Mode is (+tnl 14 ) *** Created: Sun Feb 9 17:17:40 2003 *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 15 by Warp *** eJoJo (~eCSuser@os2-gg.xs4all.nl) has joined #warpdoctor [13:35:38] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 16 by Warp *** You have been marked as being away *** You are no longer marked as being away Hi RS hey Walter Hi eJoJo #WarpDoctor eJoJo H ~eCSuser@os2-gg.xs4all.nl (eComStation RoX!) Zeb: you're in Jacksonville? :) Thx. Rat-Salad: Close to it. St. Augustine Zeb, I'm right between Daytona Beach, and Orlando hello all *** xr2 (~xrange@gso28-247-252.triad.rr.com) has joined #WarpDoctor [13:50:16] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 17 by Warp *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 17 by Warp Deltona, Florida :) St. Augustine is a very nice city btw... love it there * WalterOS2 is from Waterloo, Canada. * eJoJo has been to Canada - great country *** eCSNL (~eCSNL@cust.11.14.adsl.cistron.nl) has joined #warpdoctor [14:00:57] hello *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +lo 18 eCSNL by Warp Ooops is there now a meating ? Or is that at 21:00 there will be in about an hour OKe... :) Hello eCSNL WalterOS2> Starts at 20:00 GMT. :-) *** TeamNord (TeamNord@0x503e3d0e.kd4nxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) has joined #WarpDoctor [14:18:23] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 17 by Warp what new ?? Hello TeamNord He all LOL hi TeamNord Hello xr2 hi WalterOS2 Is there coming more user after this channel run/move from webnet *** Orac (~jb_buldog@stat92-19.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #warpdoctor [14:24:24] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 18 by Warp TeamNord: That's up to the Users. :-) This meeting is going to hopefully tell us how much interest there is an eCS irc Warpdoctor channel. Hello Orac Anybody who wants to write a review for OS/2 Voice ? Wish I got the time http://en.ecomstation.ru/coolfm/ Coolfm supports even the USB dlink FM turner and Brooktree FM tuners.... * eJoJo has set away! (auto away after idling [15 min]) [Log:ON] [www.ecomstation.nl] yes cool :) *** Signoff: Orac (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [14:29:09] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 17 by Warp WalterOS2: why MaDodel do not come here? *** Athe|aw (~mircomir@adsl-ull-220-127.42-151.net24.it) has joined #warpdoctor [14:31:21] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 18 by Warp *** Athe|aw is now known as mircomir hi all! :) *** Orac (~jb_buldog@stat92-19.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #warpdoctor [14:31:57] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 19 by Warp New channel peak! (12) Last peak was 13 days ago. *MaxWarp* Personal feelings over events that occurred a long time ago. :-( =MaxWarp= I am away. Message logging is ON. *** Signoff: Orac (Cloreen Bacon Skin .gz.) [14:42:36] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 18 by Warp *** Gord (~gsnider@on-tor-blr-a58-01-8.look.ca) has joined #warpdoctor [14:44:35] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 19 by Warp Hello Gord, *** orac_ (~jb_buldog@stat92-19.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #warpdoctor [14:47:56] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 20 by Warp New channel peak! (13) Last peak was 16 minutes ago. *** WarpedOS2 (~eCSuser@216.174.132.69) has joined #WarpDoctor [14:49:53] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 21 by Warp Hi, WalterOS2 New channel peak! (14) Last peak was 1 minute ago. *** WarpedOS2 is now known as WarpedeCS hi WarpedeCS hi XRange Hello XR2 thought I would change my nick so not to be confused with walter Probably a good idea. but remember I had my nick first heehee I had mine back on About.com :-) I been warped since v2.0 :-) Me to, but I upgraded to 2.1 soon after. same.. I purchased Describe around same time...at the time it blew away M$ word I didn't find out about Describe until quite a bit later. I wasn't doing much wp at the time. Als with 2.1 of OS/2 I setup Netware lite on OS/2 for their internal lan...had help from IBM Austrilia to do it Als=Also *** KenKrchnr (~chatzilla@njc1-02-70.dial.eclipse.net) has joined #warpdoctor [14:57:53] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 22 by Warp New channel peak! (15) Last peak was 8 minutes ago. Hello Ken Hi ken Hello all CHairman the meeting is 1 minute over time in opening :-) You guys are fussy over here. :-) OK, let's get started. This special session of Warpdoctor is now in session. * WalterOS2 is taking the log. Oke well its so silent anybody have objection if I break the ice :-) ? For those who have not read the agenda, you can find it at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2003-02-23.html Have you read the agenda yet? :-) Of course... Those who were not here for the meeting two weeks ago, should also read the log of that meeting. You can find the URL in the agenda. Judging at how silent it is It's at http://www.warpdoctor.org/irclogs/2003/%23warpdoc_2003-02-16.log . I would like to suggest we keep a break for lets say 5 minutes so people can read things ? eCSNL: We usually have some preliminary stuff to deal with. Who wasn't here two weeks ago? eCSNL: I think most people are up-to-date. The reading material is for those who missed something or newcomers. Although the first Agenda item relates to the discussion of the Topic, I'm prepared to listen to some new business if anyone has any. *** Doug (~dgclark@h-68-164-46-92.DNVTCO56.covad.net) has joined #warpdoctor [15:10:38] New channel peak! (16) Last peak was 12 minutes ago. Hi Doug Actually I should have probably put that on the agenda. :-) Hi Doug hi guys *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 23 by Warp *** Signoff: orac_ (Ping timeout: 241 seconds) [15:11:28] eCSNL: Do you have something you'd like to say? *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 22 by Warp * WalterOS2 pokes eCSNL I guess not. :-) you didn't edit the logs did you walter? :) RS: I edited them Walter-style: I don't know how they were done before. :-) Sorry I was running around here quickly it's alright :) cleaning up just a bit... Its mess here :-( Oke well my point is, and I hope no people object... Put an IRC demon on www.os2voice.org AND also If we do we'll tell you. :-) *** orac_ (~jb_buldog@stat92-19.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #warpdoctor [15:15:29] *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 23 by Warp also ?? The point is just install that demon it does not eat the server bandwith has never caused installability and then add a java front go ahead and convience me why I should install a ircd on voice1 Pure with the simple fact RS is the System Admin and Webmaster. :-) the more people that can connect to global network I was thinking about added a irc page to the voice website anyways Ahaa oke... never really thought about a ircd though Well its not realy required... I would like to have a java frontend to both webbnet and ecs net That would be good. and a decent maintained list of the servers for both networks Even better. Well you don't need a list of maintaned servers... Because if you just have a well you don't need it that urgent... We are all used to IRC... What is of a more pressing need is to get more people int touch with each other... hmm that came out wrong.. I meant a list of servers that is kept current on the page And by publishing a list of IRC servers this is not going to happen that fast because IRC is "new" to them... I can also make them irc:// links for Mozilla users I find a lot of value in the idea of connected IRC serrver network and hwere possible have IRC links for Mozilla users If you log on to ecs net you'll get a list of the available servers. This is included in the motd file. that helps that Mozilla has a IRC client OR Have the java applet for IE and Netscape 4.61 / Opera users... There is however ONE design point in the Javs SUN runtime... Because of security opions a java applet can only connect to the server it came from... We saw this with ecomstation.com When running the applet and TRYING to connect to irc.ecomstation.nl it refused to connect! Does anyone know if the IBM Web Browser has a chat client included in it? ahhh I didn't know this The IBM web browser Walter has an IRC client build in... WalterOS2: it probably does Thx Yes of course it has :-) sorry I'm interupting But this java apllet we are discussing is for a different purpose... People who don't have Mozilla need to download a IRC client and this is new and spooky (muahhahaaa, light outside eCSNL his house :-) ) With this Java applet you basicly get an IRC client in your browser.... YOu can select a NIC name and the channel you want to follow thats it.... *** Bawby (~rpbar@a3h5648y1al.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #WarpDoctor [15:24:22] New channel peak! (17) Last peak was 13 minutes ago. And that is why I'm so in favor of expanding eCS net with MORE Hello Bawby *** APG (~apgrey@ppp502.ac1.56k.execulink.com) has joined #warpdoctor [15:24:47] connected servers so more people via a Java applet can join... New channel peak! (18) Last peak was 25 seconds ago. Hello all Hello APG well.. *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 25 by Warp one option.. Hello everyone. run two instances of a IRCD on VOICE1... one on the standard port for webbnet... and another on a non standard port to link up to ecs net you have a very valid point about people being intimdated by new things eCSNL Well not intimidated... Rather being afraid... And by offering on as many OS/2 websites a JAVA applet I hope to bring more people in touch with eacht other... But in order for this to be usefull you need to run on every server a java applet... You could link to another website... True... But not many people like switching to another site... Would for instance be nice if os2.org could join the network with a IRC java applet... IRC doesn't have a very good name to be honest... and that could be a problem too.. IRC has a repulation for bad stuff, such as porn, warez, etc Thats true, but its the only standard to my knowlegde open to whole net (With software patents :-) ) I guess that's what ops are for. :-) Thats allows you to connect with simple software... hehe yeah Walter Walter - is someone going to give a status of what happened on the Warpdoctor channel during the past week? ehh I have been here for two weeks MaxWarp passed a link along which kept states of the channel.... I've also been in #eCS for two weeks What has been happening? The activity during the week hasn't been great. However, there a large number of people on right now. How big has the activity normaly been ?? and honestly... I don't want to hurt anyones feelings here... but I'm not impressed with the activity, I feel like I was led to believe that things were "jumping" over here I can't tell the exact number because some of them are 'bots. Walter - how would you intend to integrat activity that happens during the week with the weekly meeting? First I need to ask eCSNL a question. about the same as webbnet as far as people go.. but I've seen more conversations over in #VOICE on webbnet the past too weeks but the attendance today... however.. I am impressed with eCSNL: Righnt now: how many of the "people" logged on are 'bots? This could even futher expand if you put up more web interfaces so people can join via there web browser :-) but I am a little discouraged that a couple members of our team are refusing to attend here :( So am I. There is now one bot online... Lets ask everyone that is logged on to say hello. hello hello hello :-) hello hello hello heh hello :) I think Warp is the only bot. You can also see it on the funny IP address right now, I see a bot / clone combo of 3 in this channel 10.2.1.1 hello 4 if you want to count MaxWarp hehe :) About the fact that some members do not want to join... I count 9 hellos, plus I know Gord is a normal member - for a total of 10 users Others have logged in--you can see it in the log or if you scroll up--but haven't seen Doug's request. TeamNord, e.g. Well this project is not intended to take away what they are used to, but I hope they will see these kind of changes are intended for the best.... I am showing a interest here.. in a effort to give both IRC networks more exposure Hello] eJoJ is real--he/she's logged in at the beginning and has been at several meetings. if we can work together on this.. and get the needed cooperation from all involved eJoJo is Joachim Benjamins also working at Mensys... ah-Very Real, then. :-) RS - your intent and effort to bridge whatever gap thereis between the two "groups" is admirable. Thanks There are more groups isolated... People in Austrlia, Asia smaller groups in South America... People in Russia.... like I was saying.. two ircd processes could be ran on the VOICE server... for each network On on port 6667 the other on port 6668 right eCSNL Are these users visible to everyone? No thats a disavantage... If you know what I mean? Yes... You mean if you logon onto port 6667 users connected to the irc demon running on port 6668 will not see each other in does channels... users connection to port 6667 would be on webbnet.. users on port 6668 would be connecting to the ecs net only one server in WEBBNET needs to be configured for that?? Then we still can't communicate as one group as we are now. We aren't communicating as a group. To be blunt - it appears that we have a bunch of users that will attend if the meeting is held on ecs.net, and the existing, established group that will only attend if the meeting is not held on ecs.net. we aren't communicating as one group right now Walter :) we had team members missing have OK, I said it wrong--which seems to be standard practise for me these days. :-) * xr2 sees miracles unfolding I have no idea what happened, or who is to blame, but shame on both groups for behaving this way Explain what would happen if "users connection to port 6667 would be on webbnet.. users on port 6668 would be connecting to the ecs net" Doug had just said: I have no idea what happened, or who is to blame, but shame on both groups for behaving this way. People walking away is there choice, but just keeping webbnet going will benefit nobody... The parallel with what I how are we behaving Doug? we are working on ideas how to broaden our networks right now Go ahead Doug... eCSNL what you mean by keeping WEBBNET going will benefit nobody? I don't mean you RS. But almost none of the "new" people attending today's meeting have attended any of the previous WD meetings for the last year that I have been coming, including those here to know IRC and aren't intimidated by it WarpedeCS I assume - perhaps incorrectly, that they haven't been coming to the previous meeting because it wasn't held on the "right" network Let me just put it as it is.... Well Doug just said... I know webbnet was there before eCS net... And some people I have the impression are not comfortable with this experiment... And I can imagen why... I would feel the same if I would have build and keep webbnet running for years and then somebody suggets to try and hold the warpdoctor meating on a new network... But I have discussed this before, our community is getting smaller partly because people think they are the only "crazy" people using OS/2... Getting in touch easier with a bigger group helps especialy is there are IRC servers around the globe making the change bigger IRC channels are filled up 24 hours a day.... In most cases the IRC channel #netlabs gets realy silent after 02:00 at night The same thing goes is my impression for webbnet WHen people in the US are a sleep... It truely serves a "local" purpose the nework... If people come in via a webb interface that brings them in a large connected IRC network, spanning the globe... People can join in Austrilia the morning and people in Asia ETC.... The more points you can get into this big network... The bigger change have people will finaly see they are not alone if they can chat with sonebody... relevance to Doug his point.... eCSNL: But the question is: have they been doing this? that would be true for any network So far, apparently not? What do you mean ? ? s/b . Joining the network via this web/IRC interface ? eCSNL - you are correct if we are talking about a chat room - or an ongoing IRC session. But what we are really talking about is a once a week meeting at a set time. Rat-Salad has been "surfing" this channel during the week, and attendance has been very light. Doug is right. this channel and #eCS That is true but sorry, maybe of topic I'm seeing this part of a bigger picture, not just the Warpdoctor channel... activity / attendance has been light in both channels I don't think it's beneficial to get into the network issue at this time. i have noticed that to the times I have been on But that doesn't necessarly mean that we should NOT have a chat room, or continous IRC meeting. Just that the weekly meeting and that meeting serve 2 different audiences, and 2 different purposes I'm just saying what I have seen Yes you are ecsNL - and you are to be commended for that. true Doug... OK, but we have a decision to make as a group, which includes afaic the Europeans, and that is where to hold *this* meeting. It is a good thing what you are trying to do. I am just not sure it is the correct thing for the weekly WD meeting. we did nothing different... with this meeting... same annoucement etc WalterOS2 where has it been advertised you can use the webb interface to warpdoctor ? it wasn't Rat-Salad: so far yes, but we will at least start the voting processing today. :-) Has that been put on the voice website (first page) "click here for best effort live OS/2 support" Or something like that... eCSNL on www.eComStation.com and in my announcement. eCSNL: I'm going to declare that off-topic. :-) Well I gues that is not enough yet (sadly) to get more main stream users we want... One thing at a time. We may yet, and I hope we will. *** _eCS (~Unknown@66-168-74-5.wb.wi.charter.com) has joined #WarpDoctor [16:08:15] New channel peak! (19) Last peak was 43 minutes ago. Hello _eCS #WarpDoctor _eCS H ~Unknown@66-168-74-5.wb.wi.charter.com (Jeramie) <_eCS> hello everyone :) <_eCS> Hi WalterOS2 *** _eCS is now known as jer0 #WarpDoctor jer0 H ~Unknown@66-168-74-5.wb.wi.charter.com (Jeramie) *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +l 26 by Warp _eCS Did you use the webb interface on www.ecomstation.com ? * jer0 can't stay long, has to leave for bus. trip soon...but wanted to stop in shortly _eCS: Where do you live? Just curious. eCSNL: normaly I do...but since I had OC open already I just typed in the server manually Let's move on Agenda Item B. I got the news about it being hosted on eCS.net though...forgot the time though *jer0* I live in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin What was ageda point B glup Would someone like to move that the weekly Warpdoctor irc meetings be moved from the webbnet irc channel to the ecs irc channel? forgot that .... I did ask if you had read the agenda. :-) ecsNL - Agenda item B is the vote I'm nutural Ahaa yes, I said I already forgot... Well its either a yes or no maybe at opion polls, but this a vote, most votes just have yes or no... I meant to say at opion polls you can be neutral.... let me check our bylaws about abstaining....... First we need a motion. :-) One question, how can you have WarpDoctor meetings without Sector and Mark? (jsut kidding) After voting mister chairman I would like to make a comment.... KenKrchnr: hehe that's bothering me too :) * jer0 motions that #voice be moved to ecs irc network Thank you jer0 * eCSNL is also in favor... you mean #warpdoctor Do you wish to second the motion? Wrong wording for the motion. sorry...I meant #warpdoctor we only have one vote dont' we * jer0 motions that #warpdoctor be moved to ecs irc network members from Denver get to vote multiple times special provision in the fine print *** Signoff: TeamNord (irc.quasarbbs.net irc.ecomstation.dk) [16:16:33] I have this feeling discomfort.. I second it RAT-SALAD So how many votes we have so far? Still waiting for a second. *** TeamNord (TeamNord@0x503e3d0e.kd4nxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) has joined #WarpDoctor [16:17:15] Jer0 and me said yes... we have I think 16 possible votes....HOW MANY VOTES WE HAVE SOFAR Walter - maybe you should explain the procedure Somebody wished to remain neutral I get the impression... Doug: You're right, I guess. abstain Zero votes, so far. No second yet. Most the these people probably don't know the procedure I am staying neutral with my vote... though like I said I have a uncomfortable feeling... and it has to do with what Ken said... I feel like Mark Dodel, and Andrew Welty are important advisors to our team For the benefit of some who have not been with us, Warpdoctor and Voice use revised Parliamentary procedure aka Roberts Rules of Order. Then do they really count to make the decision then Doug? I think walter intended to continue the vote next week on the webnet network Rat-Salad: If they wanted to advise they should have come to meeting. They got the announcement. intends I wanted to allow for that. I said "if warranted" my vote; no contest Walter - would you please explain the steps for a vote for those that don't know Roberts rules *Rat-Salad* I'm sorry if that sounded a little harsh. :-) I've got 5 people talking at the same time, so it's a bit difficult to keep up. If everyone keeps quiet so I can. :-) aye or naye Important issues are decided in WD by someone making a motion that....... Then someone "seconds". *WarpedeCS* Walter....hey keep your cool ok...choose your words .... alright.. eCSNL seconded my motion If no one "seconds" the motion and issue is said to die for lack of a second. * eCSNL is now confused..., you finished explainign WalterOS2 ? If there is a second, then there is usually a period of discussion. and now we either say aye or naye ..... not yet rs okay lets discuss Pros of having #warpdoctor on ecs net: Finally, there is the vote. The vote may be simple majority (51%) or a higher percentage as called for by the constitution for the chairman. 1.) it is convienent to attend Now I'm finished. sorry WarlterOS2 for=or didn't mean to interupt you First we need a second. :-) The motion is already on the floor. However eCSNL wants clarifications.