*** Log Activated #warpdoctor (I:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\LOGS\#warpdoc.log) *** WalterOS2 (~wfmetcalf@CPE00a0cc277d91-CM023449900505.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #warpdoctor [12:49:47] *** Names on #WarpDoctor: WalterOS2 Wilcox MaxWarp TeamNord Rat-Salad @Digi Max|bnc Warp *** #WarpDoctor Mode is (+tnl 10 ) *** Created: Sun Feb 9 17:17:40 2003 Hello Everyone WalterOS2: you get my message that you messed up on the announcement? :) No, what message? you put the wrong irc info on the announcement we're going to have to do our little trial next sunday What what Vaughn and I could interpret in the log for last week, that's what was going on. What what=From what... *** You have been marked as being away *** You are no longer marked as being away *** You have been marked as being away *** xr2 (~xrange@gso28-247-252.triad.rr.com) has joined #WarpDoctor [13:46:54] #WarpDoctor xr2 H ~xrange@gso28-247-252.triad.rr.com (xrange) *** Signoff: Rat-Salad (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) [14:15:46] *** Signoff by Rat-Salad detected [14:15] *** Log Activated #warpdoctor (I:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\LOGS\#warpdoc.log) *** WalterOS2 (~wfmetcalf@cpe00a0cc277d91-cm023449900505.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #warpdoctor [15:12:25] *** Names on #WarpDoctor: WalterOS2 Rat-Salad WarpedOS2 KenKrchnr XRange MADeCSPro *** #WarpDoctor Mode is (+tn ) *** Created: Sat Feb 15 21:03:35 2003 oh dear whew whew? yeah.. was fixing some electrical problems made a discovery that I do not like alunimum wiring in one room maybe two rooms.. I've been thinking.... *** Orac (~jb_buldog@stat92-28.adsl.xs4all.be) has joined #warpdoctor [15:16:12] this is really confusing.. #WarpDoctor and #WarpDoctor ?? *** Doug (~dgclark@h-66-167-14-188.DNVTCO56.covad.net) has joined #warpdoctor [15:16:47] Hello Doug Hello Orac brb #WarpDoctor Orac H ~jb_buldog@stat92-28.adsl.xs4all.be (John Bijnens) Is this the right place? was supposed to be over on ecs net :) Doug: That depends on who you talk to. :-) Is that were sector is? but we'll have to give it another week.. and get the annoucement right to really discuss this ill brb *** eCSNL (~eCSNL@cust.11.14.adsl.cistron.nl) has joined #warpdoctor [15:20:37] hello Hi eCSNL While we are waiting - question for Orac: is that as in Free Willy, or the database? I tried joining #WarpDoctor on #irc and got kicked off because of "Maximum Users" ? Hmmm eCSNL: How can I contact MaxWarp and get the size increased--if that is the problem? BTW, hello eCSNL Walter, did you try irc.ecomstation.com for #warpdoctor? I would *love* to think there is a mob over there wait for us. :-) Hi Doug, it is written a Why is digi the problem ? *MaxWarp* yes no bot oped *MaxWarp* because he's the only oped *MaxWarp* and he's away *MaxWarp* 3 days i tried to contact him to op the bt KenKrchnr: yes. There is your answer contact digi.... Sorry, I tried irc.ecomstation.it Hey Rat-Salad. Aren't these IRC servers connected. I mean if I use Sector's server I can still talk to you guys who are connected to your server On the othe rside MaxWarp says the limit right now is 10 users. That's what's there. mmm *** Gord (~gsnider@on-tor-blr-a58-04-541.look.ca) has joined #warpdoctor [15:27:19] yeah.. I'm on my server now Get into contact with digi he should opped the bot Warp to do it.... Cannot join #WarpDoctor (User limit reached). hehe that good trial. If sector's and your servers can be connected, why not connect those two servers and the eComstation network? this is webbnet.. Can't webnet and eComNet connect together - sorta a UberNet There's room for one more over there now ;) I opened a second instance of my client on irc.ecomstation.* to contact the other Warpdoctor. Don't tell me that's the maximum number of users! Hello Gord Hi Right now it is. I'll be back in a minute, and then we can start. well.. I think if they really wanted to bring the os/2 community together, it could happen Doug :) but MaxWarp won't tolerate IRCD's not running on OS/2 LOL Assuming that made a difference - how could anyone tell? couldn't really :) undenyably both OSes are wonderful OS/2 and eCS? OS/2, eCS, Linux OK, let's try to get started with the meeting. I'm not trying to offend anyone... sorry if I have :) 1,2,2 ;) Rat-Salad: I know. :-) RS: I don't think you have - there is no one OS that is perfect at all tasks This meeting of WarpDoctor is now in session. *** chuck (~chatzilla@hvc-66-67-34-107.hvc.rr.com) has joined #warpdoctor [15:38:57] I'll be taking the log. Don't roll off Walter It's not on the agenda but I found out what happened to wdl ... His HD crashed. Sent it to professional data recovery service. Expects to have it back 24 Feb. Connection Closed [15:43] *** /CTCP missing text *** /CTCP missing text -> CTCP WalterOS2 TIME *** Log Terminated. *** Log Activated #warpdoctor (I:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\LOGS\#warpdoc.log) *** WalterOS2 (~wfmetcalf@cpe00a0cc277d91-cm023449900505.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #warpdoctor [15:49:05] *** Names on #WarpDoctor: WalterOS2 APG wdl chuck Gord eCSNL Doug Orac Rat-Salad WarpedOS2 KenKrchnr XRange MADeCSPro *** #WarpDoctor Mode is (+tn ) *** Created: Sat Feb 15 21:03:35 2003 no not stopped Ahaa are logger has rejoined... Sorry about that: my IRC client just died for no apparent reason. now we can continue your cable blinked Walter :) I checked that, and there no evidence of it. Email was fine. :-) What did I miss? What did the log miss? nothing Well check your log ? :-) But the added value comes (as lenghty as I explained last time) when you join via a web interface a big wold spannign network where other servers also run HTTP demons that provide a IRC client then you can get realy in touch... the last thing you said walter was "ill be taking logs" thx Most import Walter - I think you missed my log joke As a note on people not beeing able to get in... (the warpdoctot channel on eCS net) MaxWarp send an email to Digi... A setting is WRONG and that is why the amount of users is limited to 10 Digi must opped a bot to get this working again.... Ah..a joke. Just repearing that.... Hi wdl OK, thx eCSNL. hI. sTILL IN MY LIFEBPAT. You have your capslock key set, too. RS and I will compare notes next time to make sure we get the announcement right. good plan Yeah. Just took it off. Hopefully, we'll meet in irc.ecomstation.* next Sunday. *** Orac has left #warpdoctor [15:55:27] So I guess today will be an open session. I didn't have anything else on the agenda. I hope I didn't offend him. Mark, why don't you let us in on your big surprise, now? #WarpDoctor APG H ~apgrey@ppp81.ac2.56k.execulink.com (Aidan Grey) #WarpDoctor chuck H ~chatzilla@hvc-66-67-34-107.hvc.rr.com (New Now Know How) I received an email from Oliver Mark, who is Manager for OS/2 in EMEA IBM. EMEA is responsible for Europe/Asia IBM marketing support for IBM Global Services He will grant VOICE a license for DB2 server 5 user version 5. but it is just an email. It is only for use as a Warpdoctor mirror Good news! the current DB2 version on VOICE1 is 5.2 What does "just an email" mean? He has no copy of DB2 v5. So there is no media. Just a license. And that isn't on paper. Just email. But according to oliver it is perfectly acceptable to IBM That's OK. I can make a copy of a DB2 server CD and send it to Ken - since we have a license Doug, your copy is v.5? Yes OK, that works out well, then. V 5.2 is version 5.0 with fix packs incorporated. That is how versions are done it the DB2 world That should simplify life for both Doug and Ken. And I actually have v 5.2 Great. Does that mean I can stop monitoring eBay for DB2? Yes. Well - if you see a good deal on DB2 go ahead and let me know. I'll buy it for a future project The email license is actually a benefit in that we don't have to worry where the physical license is. Multiple people can keep a copy for proof of license. Right now I'm not sure where the license is for the copy of DB2 on VOICE1. If in fact Charles ever sent the license to someone. Doug, as head of Warpdoctor, I'd like a copy of it for my files in case something happens to you--and I sure hope it never does. You mean the CD? I meant the license. Ken should also get a copy Mark can send you the email from Oliver. I have never seen the license (or the CD) for VOICE1. Anyone else besides Ken and Walter? Doug: if you tell me where I can download the software from, I can make a CD myself. Going back to the .net cow (can of worms). As a user, I want to connect to any server that is convenient and have it work *** APG has left #warpdoctor [16:13:02] Without having to connect to a specific network or server. *** APG0 (~apgrey@ppp25.ac2.56k.execulink.com) has joined #warpdoctor [16:13:14] That is like having to use different telephones to call people in different states Hello APG0 Who want to have to remember to use the blue phone instead of the red phone :-) This is speaking as a user. Good thing the WWW was not divided into separate networks Doug: IRC doesn't work that way I still can't figure out why it doesn't work like WWW. Or, for that matter, like ftp. Yeah - why can't I use any client I want to, as long as I get to the right channel It's not the client, it's the network. I think the channel is the "property" of the network. Can networks share a channel? I know property isn't the best word, but it's the best I could think of. Each channel is local to that network. Doug, I don't think so. However, Mark and Rat are the real experts. Especially Mark. Mark, can you enlighten us? :-) Ok - I will accept that it can't be done. sigh... Sorry I was away putting wood on the fire. What is the question? We having a discussion about why IRC doesn't work like WWW or ftp. Doug asked if networks can share a channel? ftp? www and ftp are not live interactive forums. In the case of www and ftp you connect to one server to access the information RS: With WWW or ftp you can just specify the URL and get there, you don't have to worry about getting the right network first. WalterOS2: your actually downgrading the concept with this An IRC network is one or more connected servers. But the configuration of the linked servers is set in the config file for the IRCD So, enlighten me. :-) it's a good thing IRC isn't like www or ftp Can one group of servers have multiple "networks"? or is a network simply a group of cooperating servers Any machine can run multiple instances of IRCD connected to different networks, but each network is distinct Correction multiple instances of IRCD on different ports that is. Its complicated enough to keep a set group of servers linked So why are there different networks - other than to avoid name collision for channels? that kinda a tough question to answer hmm IRC servers almost sound like newgroup servers. But all the newsgroup servers are connected aren't they? No. When I list the newgroups I get a bizillion "topics", or whatever they are called. There are several different servers, which are NOT connected. At least as far as know. That's just how servers are grouped together. Right now Webbnet is mostly all VOICE board members' servers, but before SunTrix collapsed, there were quite a few different unrelated people running servers. I have no idea how EFnet or Undernet came together. And each ISP can subscribe to different streams. Not all Usenet is available to every News service. They pick and choose It is almost sounding like (I probably shouldn't say this) the topic ought to be - why isn't WebNet and EcomNet connected? Maybe the best answer is to read last meeting's log. :-) Doug: Don't go there ;-) Or - if there are more "mainstream" networks - why are all the OS/2 /ecs channels on a mainstream network That log is now posted, it was discussed thoroughly last week. OK - sorry to plough old ground Doug: There are a lot of #OS/2 channels on various networks. Most of theme is my experience... not used that often :-( The log for last Sunday's log is at http://www.warpdoctor.org/irclogs/2003/%23warpdoc_2003-02-09.log . OK - so how do you think the Cubs will do this season? Same as always, lose a lot of games. :-) Ken - why don't you email me your street address? I have to go make dinner. Sorry. I may be back in a bit. by Mark Bye Mark Bye, Mark Doug - done. Bye Mark. Doug, I just emailed you my snail mail address as well. Great. I was going to ask Mark to write an article for the Newsletter on the organization of IRC, but he left before I got that chance. Maybe he knew ;) You never know. :-) is there a plan to get the rexx plugin running on anything besides os/2? Eventually - but..... Our priority is to get WD running first. There are really two parts to the plug-in. One part runs Rexx programs. The other runs visual Rexx programs Since there are very few visual Rexx programs on Windows and Linux, that part will not transfer very well. I've only used rexx (on many platforms) never visual rexx. The part that runs regular Rexx would transfer well Plus a bunch of other things, like finishing setting up a mirror and moving VOICE1 itself. :-) #WarpDoctor chuck H ~chatzilla@hvc-66-67-34-107.hvc.rr.com (New Now Know How) Yup, I understand. I'm just curious since I have other things I'm interested in the rexx plugin using the rexx plugin with. *** Signoff: KenKrchnr (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) [16:51:38] I have actually thought about porting DrRexx/DrDialog Not the builder part, but the runtime part I have my on Rexx, DB2, server project (basically managing my music system) on=own *** KenKrchnr (~chatzilla@njc1-02-95.dial.eclipse.net) has joined #warpdoctor [16:53:39] lost again ;( BTW, Doug did you ever fix that problem with the Rexx plugin being called in places where it shouldn't have been? Doug: visual Rexx? Is that VizPro? Where/how to get it?? Yes OK, then I guess it's safe to re-enable it. :-) I changed the extensions recognized by the plug-in to .warpdoc - which shouldn't conflict with anything (I hope) Walter - download the lastest version and install that. Don't use your older version. I'm just curious, but what did you write the plugin in (C or PL/i or ...) and about how big (lines of code) is it? Where can I get the latest copy? Just thought of that. Written in C - cause that is what the SDK is written in. You can get it at www.warpdoctor/plugin_page.html size = 535K of code I have to make one more change - to allow EPM to call plug-in stuff. Then I will post the source. Well, it's 5:00p EST, so I guess I'll close the meeting officially. Anyone care to make a motion to that effect? move to adjorn All in favour, type Aye. aye Aye aye Opposed, if any, type Nay Motion is carried. Next meeting will be held next Sunday at 3:00p EST. wdl - the plug-in runs all visual type Rexx programs execpt VisPro and MAID - because I didn't have access to copies of those. But if those environements can create an executable then the plug-in will probably run those as well. Rat-Salad: Would you like to state where it is going to be held. Big drum roll............ :-) * WalterOS2 pokes Rat-Salad Walter - bring out the cheese * WalterOS2 thinks he is really sound asleep. hang on Doug: Thanks. It remains true that VisPro is "unavailable"=dead, except as the remnant demo? http://www.ecomstation.com/ecs_demo_view.phtml?url=content/ircnetwork.html there's a list of servers for the ecs network thats the url you should provide with next weeks annoucement That is my understanding. Hockware has disappeared off the face of the planet. Although Kim from Senerity (ecomstation maker) tried to buy VisPro from David Hock to include in eComStation, but they could not agree on a price. Doug: Sigh... While DrDialog is not as powerful as VX-Rexx, and I suspect VisPro, it is still pretty good. And available. Doug: Yes; I have it. Don't use it much though. So your and Vaughn's servers are going to remain connected to Webbnet, right? right OK, got it. FINALLY--MEETING ADJOURNED What happens if everyone cannot connect next week. Is there a fall back plan? *** APG0 has left #warpdoctor [17:10:50] *eCSNL* So we are going to meet on th ecs network I'll make sure MaxWarp or someone enlarges the WarpDoctor channel for one thing. :-) *eCSNL* Right. It's been done now. ok guys - see ya next week. Bye. * XRange wonders who had ruler *** Doug has left #warpdoctor [17:12:44] walteros2 talk to digi! Maxwarp said he has to change some stuff.... Connection Closed [17:14]