Yup *** Section is now known as Sector As most of you know I've changed the Agenda for this meeting. (Ah it's nice to be the Coordinator. :-) ) The new agenda is an Open Discussion on the topic, "Should WarpDoctor Chatroom be moved to eComStation IRC?" I would like to just comment on this on one of the other meetings where I joined I think we should start with a report from Sector on the current standings of what is going on with WEBBnet sorry go ahead OK, one at a time. eCSNL- you first. I'm sorry :) np eCSNL- we're waiting. :-) :) I commented then already and made my point clear about trying to even futher expand the reach of OS/2 users to get FUTHER of "Islands" where the link between US, Europe and Asia is next to none... This I find an argument to move Warpdoctor to eCS net... Is the log of that chat session already published ? I made a quite long statement about why the focus for IRC should be more on eCS net... I'm just more curious to here more of the comments Probably. from the US side... I think I have told a lot of the arguments from this side of the Atlantic :-) it's published if Sector sent me that log I honestly don't see what one's location has to do with where the IRC server's are located. The meetings were set to a time to promote European attendance, and there has pretty much been none since the beginning. *** Doug (~dgclark@h-66-167-27-74.DNVTCO56.covad.net) has joined #warpdoctor [15:11:31] Hello Doug Hi all Hi Doug Mark, I believe, Rat-Salad had something to say. *** TeamNord (TeamNord@0x503e3d0e.kd4nxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) has joined #warpdoctor [15:12:10] Hello, TeamNord. *eCSNL* Could I comment on Marc his comment mister chairman ? *eCSNL* :-) he some tell I logon this server Did he? Speak away R-S TeamNord, your connected to the server fine Rat-Salad, do you have something to say? that's is true, we have tried to accomidate the Europeans... if you all will recall, for this WarpDoctor meeting I conducted a vote on the WarpDoctor site... and a lot did send in their thoughts on meeting times... and the current meeting time now is based on the outcome of that Rat-Salad: can i talk for a moment? sure Max thanx ppl i believe (sorry if i repeat that a lot of times :-) that os2/ecs users are not much "familiar" in general with IRC... *eCSNL* I know this is a difficult subject for some of us. However it would help me if we kept all the communications public. I wouldn't have work on two or three levels. :-) i think it's not a problem of the meetings'time.. you are very right about that Max and let me say that IRC do not look so "fashion" in the IT world in the last years.. :-( What do you mean? e.g. Not the "in" thing i believe that there're more ecs-os2 users that use ICQ instead of IRC.. :( ICQ - needs much more setup...to connect all users... yes true I'm still not all that familiar with IRC. And I have no idea what ICQ is but it looks "newer" IRC is much better for meetings of course plus you can get all the solicitation through ICQ and lots of spam crap but try to explain that to ppl it's not so "easy" :> IRC is about 15 years old... to state a fact The problem is that its "advertised" IRCQ in computer magazines just like MSN messanger... Thats what makes it "modern".... How old is the X86 architechture that we are still using¨ *** XRange (~xrange@192.168.1.20) has joined #WarpDoctor [15:19:17] hi Hi XRange. Hi Xrange Mozilla now has a builtin IRC client, so an IRC client is readily available to almost everyone. hi For different platforms...different apps...some easy to use some quite archaic yes ann there is ni easy IRC software to OS2 thre not nead lot of setup when a user use go.icq.com it only the password maybe a IRC package should be included with setup to autoconnect to Voice for every membership of Voice?? More choice of client with IRC to suit the users preferences anyway i think that we're going s bit off topic Ooo - good idea (the client bundled with membership) looking at the IRC clients at a end user perspective, I can understand your point we could do that with GTIRC and membership... Rmember guys when I started I knew absolutely nothing about IRC, and I got ezICR installed in connected in amoutn 15 minutes Then we'de have to have a license for each copy of GTIRC WarpedeCS: But I think we have that with EZirc Chatrooms are extremely popular. Aren't IRC just a type of chatrooms? Yes Walter they are... no coolor on Ezirc It is, and as far as chatrooms go IRC uses less system resources then those java based ones good point Sector Why do you need colors¨ I can't help but to think here.. that we are straying away from what we are actually here to discuss hehe Is there supposed to be color in IRC? No, actually there isn't I don't think so MaxWarp, your remark about people finding IRC old fashion. If they get it presented when they join voice... Rat-Salad is right. then it run on 1.1.8 AND 1.3 1.3.1 We're getting off-topic. Ok..someone put us back on topic Please Mr Chairman the discussion IS indeed going off topic, about a IRC client in on topic not the one we use. Ooops sorry I was typing without looking at the screen, sorry people... Well, MaxWarp said he thought IRC was out-of-fashion. Walter - what prompted the question for today's meeting? Maybe the name is, but chatrooms certainly aren't. OK, give me a couple minutes to explain that. Well a preconfigured software given to Voice members is a easy way to get them to chat rooms if they aren't connect already... ok Or a preconfigured software to download to get one connected to IRC whether it be Voice or eComstation.XX channels, not rooms let talk about the topic :-) Ok..sorry Sector.....CHANNELS.. *WarpedeCS* Please hold your discussion for now. *WarpedeCS* is Away auto away after idling [60 min] [Log:ON] .gz. =WarpedeCS= I am away. Message logging is ON. *WarpedeCS* Ok...whats up... I was asked to explain what brought this topic up. Please give me a chance to explain it. Over the last year or so there have been several invitations or overtures from across the Atlantic to host WarpDoctor. Some of these have been public and some privately to me by email. These have come from several different people. * Orac has set away! (auto away after idling [15 min]) [Log:ON] .gz. Now that Webbnet is at least partially disabled and has been so for several *** IRCMonkey (~chatzilla@cpe-66-1-136-79.ca.sprintbbd.net) has joined #warpdoctor [15:29:46] It is not disabled months, it becomes more reasonable to at least consider these overatures in an open and Well the DNS is no longer active rational way. Sector: let me understand.. Hence this meeting. Only difference that makes is the server address is different Sector: it is for real being activly mantained? MaxWarp, your connected to a WEBBnet server now ok but only 5 servers all Canada or US :-( we've 17 servers One would handle the load, and it's actually 6 all over the world 3 in US, 1 in Canada 3 in Italy 3 in Russia Sector, I don't care what is going on technically. It doesn't work. So please drop the subject. OK. :-) and so on.. *** Sector has left #warpdoctor [15:32:14] why not move to ef.net Walter - is the question just about where the weekly meetings are held, or about where WarpDoctor is hosted? I fore-seen this TeamNord: ef.net is lagged What had your fore-seen Rat-Salad ? TeamNord: and it have a lot of ip classes banned... TeamNord: so that not all users can easly reach it Both. I liken it to which building we hold the meeting in. you taking log too WalterOS2? Yes. I will be very honest here guys I think that chat question is much easier to handle than where WarpDoctor itself is hosted. Sector... and some others, feel very resentful regarding eCS net Doug: Unfortunately: we can't hold the meetings in more than one building. Ok I can go on the all sorry however... I do not take it on a personal level and obviously Sector does R-S: I don't think Sector or anyone else is resentful of eCS.net, just the nonsense trying to force all activity to there. they feel that WEBBnet was here first.. given.. WEBBnet is primarily a OS/2 oriented network Rat-Salad: one question Rat-Salad: how many servers of Webbnet runs on os2 or ecs machines? just curious.. mined does... :-) mine... ok 1 of 5.. What ifference does that make? To clarify things, I respect each person's right to his opinion, including sectors. However he has been making a habit of contradicting any statement I make about Webbnet over a technicality. I just got tired of it. Sector's does - which is the one I am connected to WEBBnet always consisted of OS/2, and Linux servers but to me... this is a non-issue what the IRCD's are running on Guys - does it really matter which server we connect to have the IRC meeting? I'm not arguing.. I'm trying to atleast try to explain how some people feel don't make it a os issue .. I am really sad about this. I think there would be greater exposure or participation if the net was more globle... No... What does matter is the fact more people connect and meet from different continets... And I have the impression webbnet or efnet do not achieve this for OS/2 users.... net=IRC lets face it...OS/2 users are dwindling... if we huddle...we may never be seen Thats why we need to contact more people world wide to get in touch with one and other... I would have thought the fact that OS/2 users are dwindling would encourage us to work together, not keep to our own familiar "islands". beside ibm is pushing people in different directions I hope I'm not being interpreted as being the bad guy here heh.. i just tried to get things out in the open At least I was hoping. I would find it great if other OS/2 websites would also join the eComStation IRC network and run a IRC chat application on the server so there are MORE entries on the network... If www.os2.org could do this for instance... Look at ecomstation.com once in a while a user drops in with the browser IRC application... Rat-Salad: Not at all. I think you're just be honest. Why do they have to join ecs.net to be accepted? What is it about ecs.net that makes it the be all and end all? eCSNL: soon will announce also the German leaf Walter - I think it is a great idea to get more people involved. I think everyone agrees on that eCSNL: right now is only in "testing phase".. Connect more users and more servers to get in touch with each other... But I don't see that it makes a difference which "network" we connect through - unless there is some more visibility or something else related *** Signoff: IRCMonkey (Remote closed the connection) [15:42:43] Doug: yes to that more visibility but also more services Well we can create more visibility if you connect more users.... *Rat-Salad* I gave you warning in advance.. it would boil down to Andrew and Mark fighting tooth and nail eCS Net is activly mantained and i offer several services to its operators i don't know if others also do.. Doug: Unfortunately, the leaders of this group seem to opposed to it. And I hate to split up WD with all the good work we're doing. But we only meet once a week. It seems that we are confusing WarpDoctor hosting with the hosting of the WD weekly meetings And Webbnet is being worked on. I see this as an attempt to take advantage of a temporary problem that webbnet is having. WalterOS2: every os2-ecs user should understand that to survive we've to be united not divided into 3 or 4 different networks We all agree with being more united. That's why I organized this meeting. :-) ok so what's better than to join a network with 17 servers all around the world? I don't understand though how changing IRC servers will make a difference. Could someone please explain from Russia to US Well how often does a Russia user drop by here ? Doug: will join eCS Net users + WarpDoctor users Doug, right no one one on irc.ecomstation.* can SEE the warpdoctor chatroom. No one anywhere can see it except one a week, can they? In fact, let me say that again: NO ONE ON THE IRC.ECOMSTATION.* NETWORK CAN SEE THE WD CHATROOM. They can see it all the time. It's always open. It would be great if for instance www.os2.org and www.os2voice.org would for INSTANCE install an IRC demon and install something like this... Ooops lost the link And we can't see any channel on ecs.net. If people are interested they could connect here and join. eCSNL: anyway we have a german leaf, as i said before.. a java applet with which a user can directly join via his web browser... But didn't RS try that - to host meetings or chats at times other than our "regular" Sunday meeting? eCSNL: yes, but also with mozilla is simple.. no.. I never tried it Doug thought about it Oh - sorry. There are lot of terrific users and on the ECOMSTATION network. It doesn't really matter where the servers are located...just a link will do that same whether the server is local or where ever The netlabs group is connected to that network Mensys is connected to that network. As long as there is exposure on a webpage to get you where you want to go..today... :-) Does the eCS network use the same client, meaning IRC? Doug: eCS Net use Hybrid ircd as server How do we on Webbnet set up a link to a IRC.ECOMSTATION.CA chatroom? so you can connetc with every client you like more Doug I can be connected to both networks simultaniously with the same client openchat, chatzilla, mirc, xchat, gtirc and so on.. It seems that whenever WD gets close to actually accomplishing something some political BS has to interefere. I honestly don't see a need to change anything. You are just taking away from WEBBnet which is the home of VOICE. Mark, I believe you told me this could not be done? So is it just a question of being listed somewhere so that people know where and when to connect? WHat could not be done? Doug: Its in the announcement every week WalterOS2 I think MaxWarp did it not to long on #netlabs install some kind of demon that the #netlabs channel got visable on the ecomstation network... And visa versa.... We're starting to drift off the topic. eCSNL: yes but it's very lame that tcl... :( Anyone can connect to multiple networks just by running multiple instances of the IRC client MADwirels: but we go again on the point *** IRCMonkey (~chatzilla@cpe-66-1-136-79.ca.sprintbbd.net) has joined #warpdoctor [15:53:21] Hi monkey MADwirels: that ecs-os2 users groups should stay united on one network and not on 4 ... But I couldn't be on the both Chat networks at the same time? Hi Doug I can you as user yes Walter but it's no good to have ecs-os2 channels on 4 different networks Why? Why MaxWarp How often Madwirels do you see a European or Russian person drop bye.. I see more people on #ecs net drop bye from all over world, webbnet is primarly US. The few times I joined when you are sleeping in the US and I'm awake there are no European user That is BS. There have been #OS/2 channels on many networks. Should they all dissolve and only be allowed on your network? MADwirels: what's "BS"? Maybe Ltning... PLEASE!! Let's keep our language civil, at least! Maxwarp does not everybody to join his network because its "his" network... Its because we see to many people still not connecting to one another... I bumped into Russian users on ecomstation IRC network eCSNL: You're exactly right. MADwirels: all that os2 channels except for os2warez and os2russian are dead, just some bots or some users in "away" state forever from Austrilia and the US and canada in ONE day While I'm in Europe... This effect can be made MUCH stronger... And you can connect not only users who can provide more support but also developers can more easier get in touch with one another... I have experienced that as well on eCS net too eCSNL WarpDoctor is all about developers. And as just was mentioned the OS/2 users are getting less... I've been on eCS.net and not seen any activity at all except for that stupid autobot. Wait a second guys - WarpDoctor is about the end users... or atleast in the end if should be The point is why does everything have to be concentrated on ecs.net. I have always been greeted quite well going on to eCS IRC The WD weekly meeting is about very specific topics related to the building of the WD site We need contact with developers, and too much work is being done in Europe to ignore it. I would have to agree with Walter... The Warpdoctor SITE, is about connecting with users and providing information to the OS/2 community And WD is a project of VOICE. doesn't make one bit of difference to me... I'm connected to 3 IRC networks as we speak MADwirels: 1) you are not telling the truth 2) please do not offend us I ON 4 The WD site should be structured to reach as many people as possible. The WD meeting should be structured to reach the team that is working in the site That's nice to here. no Doug.. it's more than that OK - please explain! we want input from everyone We have a site dealing with devices compatible with OS/2-eCS, and we would like to have drivers in that the site. Input to add content to the site, or input on building the site? we want as many people involved and interested in the WarpDoctor project as possible I agree completely! make up your mind MaxWarp. Either send me private messages or post in channel. Not both Both. MADwirels: i answered your public post RS - what do you think. this one: I've been on eCS.net and not seen any activity at all except for that stupid autobot. I have been there and there wasn't activity. So you say I'm lying. one time Guys please - we don't need to get so hot *MaxWarp* If you can't be civil and keep your posts non-personal, then perhaps you should stop posting. it's not *always* Doug: i'm not hot Doug: I don't want to think anything... we should or we shouldn't... I'm just going with the flow i'm answering some lies I didn't say always. I've been on eCS.net and not seen any activity at all except for that stupid autobot. *MaxWarp* I apologize--that was not meant for you. :-) It was meant for Mark. This is the problem with MaxWarp. He creates battles everywhere he goes. that means always No it does not MADwirels: please calm down you are offending me like you did in the private chat elsewhere i will post it to the channel to show your behaviour Post away, but post it all. *MADwirels* Keep your posts civil, and stop personal attacks, or stop posting! Walter - may I make a suggestion? * Rat-Salad sits back and drinks his beer Go ahead. * XRange watches the show OK - this will take a couple of lines, please be patient *MADwirels* Going to drive me away as well? We are very close to getting the first version of the site up and running with the database as the main back end please ppl go here: http://www.ecomstation.it/network/stats.html We really shouldn't change direction until we get something up and running that everyone can look at. The WD site team has been a pretty consistent group for the last year - and a pretty small group *MADeCSPro* Personal attacks have no place in this meeting or any business meeting for that matter. Whether you leave is up to you. And that isn't so bad, due to the way it is being built. Once the first version (using the databse) is up and running, it would be appropriate to talk about where the host the servers, what changes to make to the site, and how to integrate our information with the rest of the OS/2 community * MaxWarp ask to ppl if they visited the url posted :) It seems somewhat "off the track" to talk about switching our weekly meeting "location" right now cause there is a very small group that comes right now And until we get something running, that is probably all that we can handle Am I off the mark? *** done *** never doubted that you didn't have more participants Max Rat-Salad: and you? and like I said.. ole Jeremy is just going with the flow of things... Rat-Salad: can you show that stuff about Webbnet? are you doing hunders of visitors? hundreds I'm not arguing for WEBBnet Max Max, Jeremy is not our "enemy" here. :-) Jeremy = Rat-Salad also I'm not arguing against it WalterOS2: i do not see enemy here.. Nobody is the enemy here... Now who's drawing lines? We have a common hobby/love and that is OS/2. I put the word in quotes for a reason. I'm sorry if it was a poor choice of words. WalterOS2: i can only see someone that do not comprehend how much is important to unify different ecs-os2 groups.. eCSNL: wrong, me eCS I will not abandon WEBBnet that I admit.. but I'm on three IRC networks as we speak.. and it won't hurt a bit to make that four :-) That's good enough for me. Back to what Doug said. now... everyone needs to calm down... get off their soap boxes... and be adults AGREED!!! Doug does have a point. I completely agree with that also. Rat-Salad: strange that you are not also on eCS Net ... Let's not pursue that. * Rat-Salad shrugs Doug does have a point. I've never been on eCS net actually RS is very ecumenical - and he drinks beer too LOL cream stout too :) You can join through e.g. irc.ecomstation.it, channel eCS :) Ah another stout admirer :) Rat-Salad: i've never seen you :-( On the other hand, I'm not sure where holding the meetings has to do with our project on the WD site. MaxWarp: the only explaination I can give.. if you really need one.. up until this point, I haven't had a reason In other words, we *could* meet in #eCS and still host WD where it is. I never had any intention to move the WD *site*. I have a proposal... for 1 week... That is part of VOICE, and it is best that stay that way. Links can take care of any connectivity problems. ok we set up a general chat channel #WarpDoctor ... and next Sunday.. we discuss this again.. with the perspective of the events over that weeks time is that fair? i think that there's nothing more to say, am i right? That seems fair to me. RS - what is a general chat channel? What do you mean, MaxWarp? Maxwarp has been doing the suggestion we'll see how many people pop in over that weeks time with ideas, suggestions, etc more to connect the OS/2 /eCS users.... RS - you mean leave the #warpdoctor channel up and running for a week? This is going to take a minute... yes Doug Sounds great. I like it.