01-19-103 12:10:29 This session of WarpDoctor is now in session. 01-19-103 12:11:44 A1a. Hardware Compatibility Matrix: Review of draft form 01-19-103 12:12:13 Gord, did you and wdl get a data entry form started? 01-19-103 12:12:39 I'm not sure. 01-19-103 12:12:55 I know wdl was doing something. 01-19-103 12:12:59 Do you know if Bill is coming later? 01-19-103 12:13:19 I don't know. 01-19-103 12:13:44 OK, we'll table this topic until later. 01-19-103 12:14:30 A1b Mirror/Co-Host Project: Virtual Hosting Servers 01-19-103 12:14:58 Ken, I believe you and RS were going to look into the possibility 01-19-103 12:15:08 of virtual hosting? 01-19-103 12:15:34 Or how it is done on os2voice.org? 01-19-103 12:15:38 Virtual hosting is OK, but I have 3 issues to resolve... 01-19-103 12:15:54 I barely know what I'm talking about 01-19-103 12:16:29 1. Without a DNS entry (maybe "mirror.os2voice.org" or so), I can't easily set up virtual 01-19-103 12:16:35 what your talking about WalterOS2 could become a little complicated 01-19-103 12:16:45 hosts on Apache. 01-19-103 12:17:08 2. WGET to mirror ain't gonna work. 01-19-103 12:18:15 3. It would be good to add a "last modified" date to the web pages to avoid reloading each time. 01-19-103 12:18:30 It can be done without virtual hosting. Just using yourdomain.com/voice yourdomain.com/warpdoctor. For example 01-19-103 12:19:17 That's what I have now, but that also requires the user to know how to find the mirror. 01-19-103 12:19:33 Anything would 01-19-103 12:19:35 Can I ask a question? 01-19-103 12:19:44 Sure 01-19-103 12:20:05 I'd like to direct it to Sector or RS: 01-19-103 12:20:59 Can you explain to my untutored brain how www.warpdoctor.org is created/defined on the os2voice.org server? 01-19-103 12:21:42 I got the impression from something Bill Rook said that it was a virtual hosting. 01-19-103 12:22:08 basically its in the Apache configurations... if the user accesses www.os2voice.org apache directs that traffic to E:\home\voice\public_html\ 01-19-103 12:22:36 It's setup in the Apache config files, it recognizes which webpage a request is for and from that can determine which pages to pull up. Yes it's Virtual Hosting 01-19-103 12:22:44 if www.warpdoctor.org it directs to E:\home\warpdoctor\public_html\ 01-19-103 12:23:32 2nd question: 01-19-103 12:23:54 Ken, is this not possible on your server? 01-19-103 12:24:20 It would be possible. 01-19-103 12:24:23 To do virtual hosting we'd need a DNS entry for each domain, 01-19-103 12:24:56 You've mentioned that before. Could you please explain why? :-) 01-19-103 12:24:57 right.. we'd need walkabout to go that.. am I right? 01-19-103 12:25:03 What Ken's talking about is the DNS entry. If we used a DNS entry such as mirror.os2voice.org it could be done (but that would require adding a DNS entry into the current DNS server). 01-19-103 12:25:05 Apache goes by the domain name. Without the name (or only 216.25.144.123) it won't be able to redirect. 01-19-103 12:25:29 On the other hand, there's no really need to do this. Either way the user would still have to know what to use to reach the mirror site instead of the main site. 01-19-103 12:25:36 Then we need to do as Sector said, have the user specify the page. 01-19-103 12:26:28 I'm still confused. os2voice.org only has one DNS-to the best of my knowledge-yet it uses virtual hosting. 01-19-103 12:26:30 Sector had sent me the Voice1 setup, I've recreated it on my server, but there are other things that we need. 01-19-103 12:26:52 Yes, but it neeeds DNS entires for each page 01-19-103 12:26:53 It has one IP address, mapped to several domains. 01-19-103 12:27:14 tell me what you need, and I can get it 01-19-103 12:27:16 www.warpdoctor.org, www.os2voice.org, ect each have an entry in a DNS server 01-19-103 12:27:39 So there are two entries the DNS table: one for Warpdoctor and the regular one? 01-19-103 12:27:56 One for each address used to access a site 01-19-103 12:28:20 But they all resolve to the same IP address. 01-19-103 12:28:53 yep they do 01-19-103 12:29:10 like we explained... Apache handles that 01-19-103 12:29:38 So is there a separate entry in the DNS table for /warpdoctor or not? 01-19-103 12:29:51 Yes. 01-19-103 12:30:46 We just need to decide how to handle the addressing. 01-19-103 12:30:56 (for the mirror) 01-19-103 12:31:08 OK, go on... 01-19-103 12:31:49 Any preferences? 01-19-103 12:31:57 really KenKrchnr, I don't see a problem with having whatever you have for this 01-19-103 12:32:33 maybe some subbys.. os2voice.yourdomain.com, warpdoctor.yourdomain.com 01-19-103 12:33:02 People wouldn't know to go to mirror.os2voice.org anymore then they would know to go to whatever/voice. It could be easier in the long run for a user to remember, but they are still going to need to know where to go in the first place. 01-19-103 12:33:03 subbys? 01-19-103 12:33:47 It might be good to have a "mirror" button on the home page, and let users bookmark from that. 01-19-103 12:34:23 WalterOS2: sub domains they are called... its just a extention to a name, to get where you want to go.. 01-19-103 12:35:03 I know what a subdomain is...I didn't understand your cryptic abbreviationn "subbys". :-) 01-19-103 12:35:05 for example.. forums.os2voice.org is a sub domain name 01-19-103 12:35:29 ohh ok... sorry... geek slang.. :) 01-19-103 12:35:38 Exactly, and having a mirror button link means it wouldn't matter if it went to somewhere/voice or mirror.os2voice.org. Also if the main site is down we can list the mirror address in an annoucement 01-19-103 12:36:53 If the main site goes down, do you send the announcement via email? 01-19-103 12:37:42 Annoucement would be for those who don't allready know the mirror address, yes and email. 01-19-103 12:38:49 OK, we have a plan on #1, 01-19-103 12:39:03 Hopefully, there would be enough time before the system goes down to be able to send it. :-) 01-19-103 12:39:12 #2, WGET for mirroring. 01-19-103 12:39:19 I don't understand your #2 Ken :) 01-19-103 12:40:13 Wget only gets what's on the pages, will not get dynamic content.... 01-19-103 12:40:14 I can set you up an ftp account so you have access to the all the hard drives on VOICE1 01-19-103 12:40:18 if thats what your saying 01-19-103 12:40:21 Doesn't have to be enough time, the mirror site could be setup with the mailing list or simply send out to all subscribes without even requiring a list 01-19-103 12:40:40 wgetting for the wd site through http would not be a good idea anyways 01-19-103 12:40:45 and for example, the agenda for this meetng didn't get on the mirror. 01-19-103 12:40:47 uses a lot of SSI 01-19-103 12:41:29 Ken: I put out this agenda on Friday! 01-19-103 12:41:55 And the mirror script ran on Sat. ;) 01-19-103 12:42:26 would your own ftp account help you on this Ken? 01-19-103 12:42:28 How often does it run? 01-19-103 12:42:31 FTP would be a better way. 01-19-103 12:42:44 I set the trial script up to run each night. 01-19-103 12:43:48 well.. the WD site is quiet modular like I was saying.. so its not a good idea to be mirroring it from http anyways 01-19-103 12:44:00 RS: I think you should do it. 01-19-103 12:44:01 Agreed. 01-19-103 12:44:10 I will make you a ftp account 01-19-103 12:44:20 just message me with a username and a password 01-19-103 12:44:48 OK, we also need to set up .htaccess and permissions for the mirror. 01-19-103 12:45:14 there's a .htaccess for warpdoctor.org 01-19-103 12:45:46 you can use the same one for os2voice.org too 01-19-103 12:47:12 Ken: What else is on your list of the things you need? 01-19-103 12:47:39 If we go to ftp #3 is moot. 01-19-103 12:48:35 The other stuff would be _how_ the dynamic content is generated. 01-19-103 12:49:22 there's none at this time anyways Ken 01-19-103 12:49:42 we can save that question for later, when we actually have dynamic content 01-19-103 12:49:53 Makes sense to me ;) 01-19-103 12:50:05 regarding apache configurations 01-19-103 12:50:23 make sure Includes is enabled for the warpdoctor site 01-19-103 12:50:47 Includes NoExec 01-19-103 12:52:55 the NoExec is for your own protection 01-19-103 12:53:20 Then we are pretty much set. I'll try to mirror the rest of VOICE1 this week, for testing. 01-19-103 12:54:09 would want to see some wiseguy try 01-19-103 12:54:16 wouldn't rather 01-19-103 12:55:02 Amazing the number of attacks on the server even without any DNS entries. 01-19-103 12:55:24 Mostly Windows vulnerabilities. 01-19-103 13:02:35 If a site drops ICMP packets, what impact will that have on Traceroutes from connected users? 01-19-103 13:02:50 There will be no answer. 01-19-103 13:03:02 Nor will it respond to pings 01-19-103 13:03:07 The same with Pings. 01-19-103 13:03:27 There will be answer for any system along the way in a traceroute that doesn't drop them though (assumign it's functioning) 01-19-103 13:03:31 You mean the server won't appear on the list of servers returned by the TR? 01-19-103 13:11:36 A1c-d. DB2 Engine/Warpdoctor Plugin 01-19-103 13:22:00 I gotta move that we ajourn :) 01-19-103 13:29:52 So let's move on to New Busineww. 01-19-103 13:30:07 Make that New Business. 01-19-103 13:30:10 is there new business? 01-19-103 13:30:29 B. Is there any New Business? 01-19-103 13:30:38 Or Old Business? 01-19-103 13:30:57 I can't think of anything else we need to talk about 01-19-103 13:31:18 OK, All in favour of RS's motion to adjourn, type Aye. 01-19-103 13:31:27 aye 01-19-103 13:31:33 Aye 01-19-103 13:31:33 aye 01-19-103 13:31:40 aye 01-19-103 13:32:28 Carried. 01-19-103 13:32:37 Meeting is adjourned.