12-08-102 12:18:49 <WalterOS2> This meeting of Warpdoctor is hereby called to order.
12-08-102 12:19:58 <WalterOS2> Sector, will you take the log?
12-08-102 12:20:22 <Sector> Taking
12-08-102 12:21:04 <WalterOS2> The agenda is at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2002-12-08.html .
12-08-102 12:21:52 <WalterOS2> As you can see, I have revised the format a little.  For one thing; Opening and log-taking are no longer official "Items".
12-08-102 12:22:32 <WalterOS2> I've also added an "Old Business" section to help clarify our progress.
12-08-102 12:23:05 <WalterOS2> Under "Old Business"
12-08-102 12:24:16 <WalterOS2> I've written status of two items.  Both of these involve reports from Doug.  However, I just got a note from Doug saying he wasn't coming. :-(
12-08-102 12:24:44 <WalterOS2> On to "New Business"
12-08-102 12:25:16 <WalterOS2> Item 1:  Break for Holiday season
12-08-102 12:25:29 <WalterOS2> Is this something we should do?
12-08-102 12:25:38 <WalterOS2> What do you think?
12-08-102 12:27:37 <WalterOS2> I wasn't particularly thinking of taking the rest of the month off, but maybe meeting less frequently until after New Years.
12-08-102 12:27:57 <WarpedOS2> sounds like a logical thing to do Walter
12-08-102 12:28:01 <WalterOS2> What I want is your input.
12-08-102 12:28:39 <WarpedOS2> I know that from now on I won't be around...much...not that I think anyone would miss me...  :-)
12-08-102 12:29:51 <Gord> I am agreeable to meeting if that is the decision.
12-08-102 12:30:33 <wdl> I'll go whichever way is needed.
12-08-102 12:34:00 <WalterOS2> How many of you will be here on the 15th--the Sunday before Christmas?
12-08-102 12:34:09 <Gord> I will.
12-08-102 12:34:19 <WalterOS2> I will.
12-08-102 12:34:33 <wdl> I will.
12-08-102 12:34:53 <Sector> Guess that answers that
12-08-102 12:35:02 <WalterOS2> How many are going to be away or involved with family that day?
12-08-102 12:38:26 <WalterOS2> OK, how many of you will be here on the 29th--the Sunday AFTER Christmas?
12-08-102 12:38:50 <KenKrchnr> I'll be back by then.
12-08-102 12:39:07 <Gord> I might not.
12-08-102 12:39:33 <wdl> I'll be here
12-08-102 12:41:20 <WalterOS2> I guess it's best if we just keep going through the holidays.  I'll mull it over and send an email to the mailing list.
12-08-102 12:42:09 <WalterOS2> New Business: Item 2a
12-08-102 12:42:52 <WalterOS2> Status of Warpdoctor backup.
12-08-102 12:43:19 <WarpedOS2> Sorry....I will be away on the 15th...
12-08-102 12:45:04 <Sector> You skipped over Warpdoctor backup
12-08-102 12:46:24 <WalterOS2> Sector, you can explain mirroring a lot better than I can.
12-08-102 12:47:05 <Sector> What about 1a though¿
12-08-102 12:48:17 <Sector> Another copy of the site, accessable elsewhere.  Helps with distributing the load under heavy traffic and another place to get the information if the main site is down.
12-08-102 12:48:43 <WalterOS2> OK, 1a: WarpDoctor Backup
12-08-102 12:48:51 <WalterOS2> (Sorry about that)
12-08-102 12:49:45 <WalterOS2> We also need a place to backup the WD files and, preferably, all of VOICE1 as well.
12-08-102 12:49:47 <WarpedOS2> so...sorry fore the lack of knowledge but what involves a mirror...(eg:DNS stuff...changes...etc..)
12-08-102 12:50:30 <Sector> DNS doesn't factor in.  Usually a site will have a list of it's mirrors.
12-08-102 12:50:50 <WalterOS2> place to backup==it's more important to have a mechanism than a place.
12-08-102 12:51:17 <Sector> DNS comes into play if you've got a round robin setup, where it can generate a different IP address for each request, thus directing multiple requests to different servers.
12-08-102 12:51:23 * Sector notes VOICE1 is backed up
12-08-102 12:51:41 <WalterOS2> Where?
12-08-102 12:51:47 <WarpedOS2> how many megs to back up voice?
12-08-102 12:52:01 <Sector> Total files listed:
12-08-102 12:52:01 <Sector>     81802 file(s)    13105232 K bytes used
12-08-102 12:52:30 <Sector> Though that could be cut down, only thing specifically excluded from that was swapper.dat
12-08-102 12:52:43 <WalterOS2> If VOICE1 is backed up, then is not WD backed up as well?
12-08-102 12:52:54 <Sector> Yup, the whole server is.
12-08-102 12:53:13 <WalterOS2> OK, so what is it that we need?
12-08-102 12:54:25 <Sector> If there's enough free space on VOICE1, we could backup the data locally to a harddrive on there, compressing it down.  Then those files could be backed up remotely as well for an offsite backup.  This would require less to be transfered remotely due to the compression.
12-08-102 12:55:01 <Sector> This could be done with something like BackAgain/2000 server 4+ or simply ARJing or ZIPing the stuff up.
12-08-102 12:55:53 <Sector> Would also be more secure, as right now to backup the date you need full access to VOICE1, if we compressed the date into one or more files, you would just need those backedup.
12-08-102 12:56:11 <Sector> Files could be encrypted for additional security if necessary.  
12-08-102 12:56:55 <Sector> data not date of course...
12-08-102 13:00:07 <wdl> Is the backup "problem" HD space, or instant access, or what?
12-08-102 13:01:04 <Sector> There really isn't a backup "problem", it can and is done currently.
12-08-102 13:05:23 <WalterOS2> Sounds like we have most of a backup solution in place.  It just needs to be fine tuned a little.
12-08-102 13:06:05 <Sector> Didn't really take much, just wget
12-08-102 13:08:48 <WalterOS2> Let's consider that item closed.
12-08-102 13:10:27 <Sector> As mentioned, method could be improved
12-08-102 13:11:26 <WalterOS2> Probably a nice BackAgain/2000 script could be written to make the thing really tidy.
12-08-102 13:11:53 <Sector> That would require a license, a simple ARJ or ZIP compression could do the trick as well
12-08-102 13:12:04 <Sector> If there's available space
12-08-102 13:12:47 <wdl> Well, hmmm.  I use "Templeton" for web-sites.  Gets it all - no scripts.  Just goes and gets it all.
12-08-102 13:13:11 <wdl> I've got space also; but nothing like instant access.
12-08-102 13:14:44 <Sector> There's more on VOICE1 then just web stuff.  Wget does the job as well for http or ftp, just pointing out there are other ways that could be better.
12-08-102 13:15:45 <WalterOS2> FWIW, I've used both ZIP and BA2K *very* extensively and there is soo much more power, flexibity, and speed in BackAgain/2000 that I've gotten to point where I wouldn't be without it.
12-08-102 13:18:03 <WalterOS2> Regarding the hosting/imaging, I'll put out a message on the members@ for anyone with the resources and see if we get a nibble. :-)
12-08-102 13:19:05 <WalterOS2> Item B2: Hardware Compatibility Matrix
12-08-102 13:19:38 <WalterOS2> Gord, wdl can either/both of you give us an update on what you've been doing?
12-08-102 13:20:09 <wdl> I need some steering.  Done zip so far.  What exactly would you like done.  Details...
12-08-102 13:20:47 <Gord> Not too much.  Just finding how many sources I can for info.  For example, getting a list of all printers supported by OMNI drivers.  Is that useful?
12-08-102 13:20:54 <wdl> I've looked at the site.  Seems mostly just needs longer lists/links for tried/tested stuff.
12-08-102 13:21:26 <wdl> I assume *design* isn't an issue??
12-08-102 13:21:29 <Gord> Also watching e-mail discussions for drivers for hardware.
12-08-102 13:22:02 <WalterOS2> First of all you can modify the design if you have a good reason.  The project is yours.
12-08-102 13:22:15 <WalterOS2> There are two main considerations.
12-08-102 13:23:02 <WalterOS2> As wdl pointed out, it's always a challenge keeping up to date with the drivers/devices.
12-08-102 13:23:23 <Gord> Going from memory, we are supposed to be compiling a list of all hardware supported by OS/2, yes?
12-08-102 13:23:40 <WalterOS2> Secondly, as the page grows, you will have consider fine tuning the formatting.
12-08-102 13:23:57 <WalterOS2> Gord, basically that is so.
12-08-102 13:24:32 <WalterOS2> Sector, do you remember when the original developer (can't remember his name) was here?
12-08-102 13:24:52 <Sector> Was awhile back now
12-08-102 13:25:03 <WalterOS2> You could look at the logs for some help if we knew when they were.
12-08-102 13:25:12 <Sector> Don't recall just when
12-08-102 13:26:34 <WalterOS2> I'll search through my hard drive logs, and see if I can find out.  (lalcan was his screen id btw)
12-08-102 13:30:04 <wdl> How far back in OS/2 history should we go?  Many on the newsgroups ask questions even about OS/2 2.1!  Then there are driver issues vs. Os/2 version.  Specific applications' issues, etc ad infinitum...
12-08-102 13:30:46 <wdl> I'd *love* to see all that in one place. But is that all maybe *too* much???
12-08-102 13:30:58 <Sector> 09-17-2001.log has some from lalcan
12-08-102 13:31:57 <WalterOS2> I just found it myself.
12-08-102 13:32:21 <Gord> wdl, not a question of too much, I think.  More a question of how much time can we spend.
12-08-102 13:32:49 <WalterOS2> So if wdl and gord look at the logs starting with that date, they get a good idea what our plans were back then.
12-08-102 13:33:03 <Gord> We need to set priorities on what data we get first.
12-08-102 13:33:11 <wdl> Give me/us a URL to get the logs?
12-08-102 13:33:38 <WalterOS2> http://www.warpdoctor.org/irclogs/
12-08-102 13:33:59 <WalterOS2> You can get to most things from the front page. :-)
12-08-102 13:34:50 <WalterOS2> I'm going to have go soon.  I've been fighting a headache all day, and now my head is just pounding.
12-08-102 13:35:38 <WalterOS2> Is there anything else we need to talk about?
12-08-102 13:53:30 <Gord> Motion to adjourn.
12-08-102 13:53:43 <WarpedOS2> I second it
12-08-102 13:53:56 <WalterOS2> All in favour of the motion, type Aye
12-08-102 13:53:58 <Gord> Aye
12-08-102 13:54:00 <WalterOS2> Aye
12-08-102 13:54:02 <WarpedOS2> Aye
12-08-102 13:54:05 <KenKrchnr> Aye
12-08-102 13:54:23 <wdl> Am I included? Aye.
12-08-102 13:55:06 <WalterOS2> Motion carried.
12-08-102 13:55:11 <WalterOS2> Meeting adjourned.
12-08-102 13:55:21 <WalterOS2> Thank you all for coming.