11-24-102 12:28:30 Consider this meeting of WD as called to order. 11-24-102 12:28:50 Sector I presume will take the log. 11-24-102 12:29:35 Under NEW BUSINESS it looks like Jeremy is hiding again. :-) 11-24-102 12:29:48 Yup 11-24-102 12:31:52 Doug: Anything new on your DB2 project? 11-24-102 12:32:26 No - I am still finishing up documentation, and fixing small bugs that I find in the process 11-24-102 12:33:24 BTW - I have been using FTP and have not noticed any performance problem 11-24-102 12:33:30 Has anyone notice that the new ftp daemon has been SLOW? 11-24-102 12:33:39 Have you been seeing something? 11-24-102 12:33:52 WalterOS2: Hasn't been slow here. 11-24-102 12:34:03 Works fine for me 11-24-102 12:34:47 I doesn't seem to work very well with my FTP-IFS product, but it work fine with the awful OS/2 PM-FTP and the command line FTP 11-24-102 12:34:59 While downloading WIN98SE, I was getting no better than 11+ kps. Usually it was around 9+ kps. 11-24-102 12:35:46 When - day and time - were you downloading, do you remember? 11-24-102 12:35:48 WHILE I was downloading it, I downloading some stuff from Serenty and got nearly 100 kps, so it wasn't my hardware. 11-24-102 12:37:07 I HAVE noticed that at times, the WD server or comm lines to the server seem to be very slow. But I have noticed that in HTTP. 11-24-102 12:37:16 Could be a bandwidth cap, though I got 20k/sec uploading earlier today 11-24-102 12:37:35 Possibly someone else was downloading from VOICE1 at the same time and using bandwidth. Or may be the route to it was hosed someway. 11-24-102 12:37:51 Most of the times I have noticed really slow response seemed to be, strangly enough, at night. 11-24-102 12:38:33 When I was doing mine Rat-Salad was downloading at about 30k/sec 11-24-102 12:40:04 I was downloading (or trying to) almost constantly between noon on Wed till 7:00am on Thur--I think. 11-24-102 12:42:10 I would only have needed a couple of hours if I could have gotten my usual speeds. 11-24-102 12:43:31 Perhaps Jeremy needs to fine tune the new ftp server? 11-24-102 12:43:53 My guess is that it is more likely a comm problem than a hardware or FTP problem. 11-24-102 12:46:18 That's what I thought, because I have put a bunch of new hardware on my lan, so I did that download from www.ecomstation at the same time. It went really fast, so at least it isn't a hardware problem at my end. I guess I should be thankful for that. :-) 11-24-102 12:47:15 Is there any Other Business? 11-24-102 12:47:22 You remember a couple of weeks ago when I was emailing you the Rexx program? My throughput was terrible, but it was a one time thing. I haven't seen that bad of performance since then. 11-24-102 12:48:04 And that was to my email server - so my guess is that sometimes something gets bogged down on communications lines/routes/paths whatever 11-24-102 12:48:40 Have we given anymore thought to back ups? 11-24-102 12:51:45 Perhaps if we have a virtual private network and could attach server1 drives to one of our local machines we could perform backups remotely? 11-24-102 12:52:02 Just for kicks, I restarted the download of that ISO file, and this time it hung around 20 kps, which isn't great but is still a lot better than several days ago. I've aborted the downloaded now. :-) 11-24-102 12:52:56 Could backup using wget 11-24-102 12:53:30 That is probably the only alternative right now. 11-24-102 12:54:16 Wasn't there a problem with DB2 resetting the times each day, or something like that? 11-24-102 12:54:47 I know we talked a lot about it, and ran into a "brick wall". 11-24-102 12:55:02 with DB2 we will have to do a backup within DB2 in order to get a disk file that we can save as the backup file 11-24-102 12:55:33 I can setup DB2 to backup to a partition on server1, compress the file and then we can download that file. 11-24-102 12:55:37 How much disk space is on VOICE1? 11-24-102 12:55:57 But I suspect there is a lot of other stuff not in DB2 that ought to be saved every once in awhile 11-24-102 12:56:53 I don't know right now 11-24-102 12:57:54 If we start to need DASD, these 120GB Maxtor IDE drives might make sense instead of going with SCSI again 11-24-102 12:58:32 Just for pure storage 11-24-102 12:58:49 One big 120GB JFS partition 11-24-102 12:59:20 Maybe RAID a pair so there is a backup in case of failure 11-24-102 12:59:20 Who is the administrator of voice1? I forgot. 11-24-102 12:59:31 Jeremy is now 11-24-102 13:00:10 I emailed CDS a little while ago, and the next version of BackAgain/2000 will not have the 2GB file limit the current versions. 11-24-102 13:01:11 IMO that makes BA2K Server Edition a viable option for a backup tool. 11-24-102 13:01:29 Version 4, of course. 11-24-102 13:02:39 That would work if we are backing up to a hard drive on voice1. If we want to save copies off site it gets a little stickier 11-24-102 13:03:39 Do we have stuff on voice1 that is valuable and where there is no other copy somewhere else? 11-24-102 13:04:02 We have a lot of it. 11-24-102 13:04:11 For instance I have backups of everything I put up there. Does everyone else? 11-24-102 13:04:48 I have all the back issues of the newsletter, at least the English ones. 11-24-102 13:05:13 Even if we did, it would worthwhile having all the key files in one place because it would save us a LOT of time. 11-24-102 13:05:24 Very true. 11-24-102 13:06:38 We should backup both places as Walter said. 11-24-102 13:06:57 maybe we could form a (shudder) committee to look at backup. Or is Jeremy taking care of it already? 11-24-102 13:07:03 One can never have too many backups 11-24-102 13:07:06 I'm starting to collect all the stuff I use when installing a system--drivers, utilities, etc.--on a CDR to streamline the installation procedure so I don't have look all over the place 11-24-102 13:07:41 Jeremy stated I think that he has backed up the os2voice.org and warpdoctor.org files 11-24-102 13:08:04 sounds like we are covered then. 11-24-102 13:08:55 There is more to VOICE1 then those two sites though. There is the mail server and the mailing list server and probably other things I don't know about 11-24-102 13:10:01 Walter - how but backup as a future agenda topic, so that we can be sure we have everything covered? 11-24-102 13:10:03 Once you start looking through the directories with EmTec, it's incredible the amount of stuff that is stored there. 11-24-102 13:10:11 Done. 11-24-102 13:12:20 At this point how would we do any hardware updates on VOICE1 now that Bill Rook is gone? Has anyone been in contact with his successor? Do they know anything about OS/2? 11-24-102 13:13:04 Good question. One that makes me nervous whenever I think about it. :-( 11-24-102 13:13:36 Invisibility is the best policy! I don't think they know we exist. 11-24-102 13:13:50 We're not as bad off as os2.org a few months ago, but not two far away either. 11-24-102 13:15:12 We might want to consider setting up a mirror site somewhere. At this point there is none that I'm aware of 11-24-102 13:15:25 Probably we should negotiate some arrangement with Walkabout or start looking for another side. 11-24-102 13:15:35 If the new ISP pulls the plug we are in deep doodoo 11-24-102 13:15:38 Well, none for the complete server. 11-24-102 13:16:07 Very deep. 11-24-102 13:16:27 Is the voice server mirrored in Germany? 11-24-102 13:16:45 Or rather the site? 11-24-102 13:17:00 Not to my knowledge. 11-24-102 13:17:40 I don't think there are any mirrors now. There use to be a mirror of the os2voice.org site on IBMFORUM. Not sure if that stopped or not, but it was only the VOICE website. 11-24-102 13:14:46 If I had the resources, I would host VOICE in a heartbeat. :-) 11-24-102 13:18:45 The problem is getting the bandwidth to the house/office of the person that is hosting the mirror 11-24-102 13:19:56 ISP's are the logical first place to look because they already have the bandwith. 11-24-102 13:20:39 Mark: Do you know of any VOICE members/supporters who run ISP's? 11-24-102 13:21:26 Not off hand. We might want to put out a post asking if someone would consider mirroring the VOICE server 11-24-102 13:24:07 Good idea. 11-24-102 13:43:38 Mark: Are you including Warpdoctor in the OS2VOICE web site? 11-24-102 13:43:38 Including it where? 11-24-102 13:43:55 When you speak about the OS2VOICE web site or OS2VOICE? 11-24-102 13:45:20 When I spoke about mirroring, I meant the entire server, not just os2voice.org 11-24-102 13:48:43 I've also added Mirroring and Hosting to next week's agenda. If we have anything new, we can continue this discussion then. 11-24-102 13:49:37 Unless someone has something more they want to discuss, I'm open to a motion to adjourn. 11-24-102 13:49:57 Motion to adjourn 11-24-102 13:50:15 All in favour type "Aye" 11-24-102 13:50:22 Aye 11-24-102 13:50:25 Aye 11-24-102 13:51:01 Carried. 11-24-102 13:51:07 Meeting adjourned. 11-24-102 13:55:53 Question from a lurker: How can a "little guy" like me help out?? 11-24-102 13:58:06 Us little guys seem to be all alone here. 11-24-102 13:58:42 Hmm. Seems so. What would be *your* answer? 11-24-102 13:59:38 Lurkers are generally assumed to be "not here." 11-24-102 13:59:46 Just like you, I voluteered a while back. At that time help was needed maintaining the website and converting DB/2 files from one format to another. 11-24-102 14:00:14 What happened, Gord? 11-24-102 14:00:50 Assumption granted; not a problem. Should I then shoulder my way in to ask? Seems a bit gouche. 11-24-102 14:01:07 You need to participate at least a little during the meeting, or we won't know you're really here. :-) 11-24-102 14:01:08 Ask away 11-24-102 14:01:27 As to volunteering for such tasks, Not sure what kind of match my capabilities would be to WD's need(s). 11-24-102 14:01:29 Jeremy will not commit to a time to show me what he wants done on the website. And I don't think Doug is ready for me to help him converting files. 11-24-102 14:02:08 Ack "Gouche" -> "Gauche"? 11-24-102 14:02:11 Also, I'm afraid all my troubles with hard drives have soured them on my help. 11-24-102 14:02:48 My Biggest Deficit is working off a dial-up. 11-24-102 14:02:48 wdl, I had same feelings as you re: capabilities. 11-24-102 14:02:52 Gord, that happens to all of us. Don't be discouraged. :-) 11-24-102 14:03:28 However you should try to backup your disk regularly to minimize downtime. 11-24-102 14:04:48 Walter, could you make a point of mentioning 'Other Business' on the agenda each meeting? Might encourage lurkers to step forward. 11-24-102 14:05:02 Last week I said I wanted to collect information--files, links--now to expedite input of data once Doug's engine is done. 11-24-102 14:05:16 Gooood idea. 11-24-102 14:05:18 Gord: good idea. 11-24-102 14:05:41 You don't need to be highly skilled to do that. 11-24-102 14:06:20 Doug has asked people to read his documentation and test his plugin with whatever REXX programs they happen to have. 11-24-102 14:06:32 wdl, I also work on a dialup. 11-24-102 14:06:50 Most people, I think, work on a dialup. 11-24-102 14:07:06 Either due a budget or location. 11-24-102 14:07:21 Walter: OK. Been meaning to do that anyway. 'Spose I've got to move that project to the front burner... 11-24-102 14:07:43 Doug only got a ADL a few months ago. 11-24-102 14:10:36 I'll try to make a point of asking "lurkers" for their contributions during the meeting. We'd like your contribution as well. 11-24-102 14:10:57 Course then you won't be lurkers anymore. :-) 11-24-102 14:11:49 Maybe I need to think everything out a bit more. I've gotten *so* much help from others (OS/2 -types), it's pay-back time. Just haven't figured out how, yet. 11-24-102 14:13:07 We had a project a long time ago in which a fellow from Mexico was building a compatibility web site. It would have been fantastic, but the fellow got involved in work, and it's been sitting dormant for months and months. 11-24-102 14:13:16 I'd love to see that revived. 11-24-102 14:13:38 What's a compatability website? 11-24-102 14:13:43 "Compatibility" means...? 11-24-102 14:14:09 Compatibility of devices with eCS/OS2 11-24-102 14:14:38 Does that mean 'drivers'? 11-24-102 14:14:50 The "beta" is at http://www.warpdoctor.org/hcl/ . 11-24-102 14:19:03 Checking ... 11-24-102 14:19:10 No, hardware devices. Needless to say, drivers are intimately involved. For example for a printer to be "compatible" there must exist somewhere an OS2 driver for it. 11-24-102 14:22:28 OK, under motherboards ASUS A7V266E could be added. 11-24-102 14:23:15 Pretty much all motherboards should work fine, though a few specifics such as built in audio may not. 11-24-102 14:23:35 Just looked at the site. Making the HTML "output" wouldn't be hard, I guess. How do you envision the input to the maintainer? 11-24-102 14:24:09 Under NICs, could get a lot of info from NICPAK. 11-24-102 14:24:22 Certainly *not* all motherboards work. I have one here that won't accept Warp-4, at least 11-24-102 14:24:50 As I understand it, there are two parts to the task. One is to work on the HTTP. As you can probably tell, it needs some work. Jeremy will *help* there. The other is to add devices as we at WD become aware of them. 11-24-102 14:25:37 Ummm, Jeremy isn't doing anything with the HTTP protocol, that's fine... 11-24-102 14:27:06 He got the previous developer started and helped him out from time to time. 11-24-102 14:28:23 wdl: Click on "Requested" near the bottom of the tree, and then on "Requested Information" 11-24-102 14:28:39 I'd like to think about helping there. No HTML expert, I, but I take advice pretty well. :-) 11-24-102 14:29:17 Sorry, Sector. Poor choice of terms. :-) 11-24-102 14:29:33 wdl: Great, you're on. 11-24-102 14:30:15 Gord, do you want to help wdl out with the hcl project? 11-24-102 14:30:51 BTW--HCL stands for Hardware Compatibility List. 11-24-102 14:32:00 Personally, I think we should jazz the name up a little with something like Hardware Compatibility Matrix. ;-) 11-24-102 14:32:43 Hmmm. Clicking as advised gives me nothing. Gotta think on that, though. I may be having a/some problem(s) with Mozilla1.2b and Java 1.30. 11-24-102 14:34:16 Maybe I could start gathering data to put on the site? 11-24-102 14:34:26 I'm using IBM Web Browser 2.0, and it works, but sometimes it's a little sticky. Maybe we should try Netscape 4.61 or an older version Mozilla. 11-24-102 14:34:37 Gord: that would be great. 11-24-102 14:34:59 Consider yourselves the HCL team. :-) 11-24-102 14:35:19 Skip: are you lurking? 11-24-102 14:35:38 Okay. Got it. Had to close and re-open Mozilla. Then it worked fine. 11-24-102 14:35:54 Well, Sector, we just promoted two lurkers. :-) 11-24-102 14:36:13 wdl: I had to the same thing with IBW. 11-24-102 14:36:14 Gord: If we are to work together, we need exchanged e-mail addresses? 11-24-102 14:36:35 Sorry: IBM Web Browser. 11-24-102 14:36:51 Good idea. 11-24-102 14:36:56 Hmmm, does that mean we have to give them a pay raise¿ 11-24-102 14:37:01 Mine is walter.os2@rogers.com 11-24-102 14:38:02 Mine is gsnider@look.ca 11-24-102 14:38:29 Hi Gord. Already have it, but thanks. 11-24-102 14:38:29 Mine: wdlkhl@attglobal.net 11-24-102 14:38:44 Thanks wdl 11-24-102 14:38:47 wdl wanted it too 11-24-102 14:39:02 Good point. 11-24-102 14:39:28 HCL page is working fine from here with Mozilla 1.1 11-24-102 14:40:23 Jeremy's email address is rs@fyrelizard.com . 11-24-102 14:45:28 One of things wdl may want to look at fairly early is whether there is any out-of-date HTML that is causing some browsers to balk. ??