10-27-102 12:15:54 Sector will be taking the log. 10-27-102 12:16:04 Check 10-27-102 12:16:10 Everyone read the agenda? 10-27-102 12:16:14 * Sector did 10-27-102 12:16:28 Yes 10-27-102 12:16:28 Doug did 10-27-102 12:16:33 * Gord did too 10-27-102 12:16:40 You can find it at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2002-10-27.html 10-27-102 12:17:17 I'm happy I'm not putting it up there for nothing. :-) 10-27-102 12:17:43 Yup...read it here too 10-27-102 12:19:46 Item 1: 10-27-102 12:20:38 Conversion/upgrade to Moylan FTPD daemon. 10-27-102 12:21:32 WarpedOS2: Can you give us an update as to where you and RS are on that, please? 10-27-102 12:21:35 It's done, but Rat-Salad still needs password from Walter and Doug 10-27-102 12:21:50 The conversion to Peter Moylan's ftp program is complete, I believe there is just passwords that need updating for the most part. It has been tested and it seems very stable 10-27-102 12:22:03 sending mine right now 10-27-102 12:22:37 Also Luc and Swanee 10-27-102 12:23:42 Also INISERVE has been updated and now I can do all admin service on MajorMajor, Weasel, and FtpServer all from my PC as if i was at the server desktop 10-27-102 12:24:14 WarpedOS2: That certainly beats using DTOC 10-27-102 12:24:40 That would eliminate the dependence on using DTOC 10-27-102 12:25:49 is there anyone that used INISERVE? 10-27-102 12:26:15 The reason for asking is the port numbers changed with Peters last release...he no longer uses Port 8000 10-27-102 12:26:30 VaughnOS2: Getting away from DTOC is certainly a good idea. 10-27-102 12:27:22 Well it won't eliminate it but those components will not be depending on it anymore...thanks to INISERVE 10-27-102 12:27:40 WarpedOS2: How does one install INIServe? 10-27-102 12:27:49 What is INISERVE? 10-27-102 12:28:18 VaughnOS2: Perhaps you could explain for the sake of those not intimately involved the problem why we are upgrading the FTPD daemon. 10-27-102 12:29:12 involved the problem s/b involved *with* the problem 10-27-102 12:29:36 What is an FTPD daemon anyway? 10-27-102 12:30:38 FTP - File Transfer Protocol 10-27-102 12:31:23 FTP server 10-27-102 12:32:05 The service that gives you the ability to upload and download your files Walter.. 10-27-102 12:33:13 I was asking on behalf of any who might not know. :-) Though here probably every already does. 10-27-102 12:34:23 No, id don't know but i think it is for updating the warpdoctor site? 10-27-102 12:34:43 For transfering files back and forth using the FTP protocal 10-27-102 12:34:57 So what's wrong with the old one? Again asking on behalf of those who might not know. 10-27-102 12:35:53 According to RS it was dropping connections when you login. I experienced it a lot updating my page...it would just drop at random and have to re authenticate to Voice everytime. 10-27-102 12:36:45 There were some other issues and RS could fill you in on those but will have to wait till next meeting if folks want a detailed list.. 10-27-102 12:36:49 Where does INISERVE fit in all this? 10-27-102 12:37:25 I experienced that as well. However I also experienced when I ftp'ed to my ISP site. I thought it was caused by my firewall. 10-27-102 12:37:54 INISERVE allows me to run FTPSERVE setup program, Weasel Setup program, Majormajor setup program on my local wkstn but connected via IP over the net to voice. 10-27-102 12:38:17 The main program runs local and the changes are done remotely 10-27-102 12:38:59 INISERVE is the link between the two to do the updates of usually the ini files 10-27-102 12:40:24 I have experienced the need to re-logon on the WD site (but not on my own server which is also running the OS/2 FTPD) 10-27-102 12:40:39 I assumed that it was an inactivity timeout issue 10-27-102 12:40:39 INISERVE has always been running but no one new the password to gain access to use the features so I just upgraded it and reset the password so it can be utilized again as it was mean to be.. 10-27-102 12:41:09 This issue has to do with security. The current FTPD offers very limited security. It is difficult to impossible to restrict access at the directory or drive level. 10-27-102 12:41:18 But Peter's FTPD has a feature to allow limiting the maximum number of concurrent logons, which I don't believe the OS/2 FTPD has 10-27-102 12:41:35 The Moylan FTPD is much more flexible in this regard. 10-27-102 12:42:41 Are any other questions? 10-27-102 12:42:52 Also Apache has just been updated version 1.3.27 10-27-102 12:43:25 On VOICE1? 10-27-102 12:43:34 Yup 10-27-102 13:05:51 Doug: Do you have anything to tell us about the DB2 engine development? 10-27-102 13:06:27 I am finishing up putting security on the plug-in. Hopefully that will be done this week 10-27-102 13:06:36 After that it will be back to the DB2 stuff 10-27-102 13:06:56 Although I will probably be sidetracked for awhile by the kitchen remodel 10-27-102 13:07:41 I thought that you'd already done that. :-) 10-27-102 13:08:12 No - I haven't started - much to my wife's concern. Shooting for being done by Christmas 10-27-102 13:08:49 Doug had proposed we put WS files on the WD server. Where are they now? 10-27-102 13:09:51 Now I believe they are on Yahoo somewhere. I emailed Mark to ask him if he would approach the WS board 10-27-102 13:09:58 and see if it was OK 10-27-102 13:11:11 I have already uploaded a CD version of the WS presentations onto my own private area of WD: http://www.warpdoctor.org/walter.metcalf/ 10-27-102 13:11:33 Anyone who wants to can download them from there. 10-27-102 13:11:50 The file is about 16 MB in length. 10-27-102 13:12:15 One of the WS board members said at the meeting that he liked having the files on Yahoo because he wanted people to have to log-in to get the files 10-27-102 13:12:24 (for reasons that I don't remember) 10-27-102 13:12:41 1) Download c: 10-27-102 13:12:48 But there were comments from the WS attendees that they would rather have them on the WS site 10-27-102 13:13:21 So I don't know if the WS board is going to approve this or not - however Mark told me that he didn't think there would be a problem 10-27-102 13:13:39 2) Unzip Presentation_file Z:\ where Z: is a CDR(W) disk. 10-27-102 13:15:00 Doug: If it's a problem, I can delete them from WD. 10-27-102 13:15:34 Lets wait and see what they say. 10-27-102 13:15:36 I guess I should email Mark. 10-27-102 13:16:10 I had now idea anyone one would object. 10-27-102 13:16:20 now s/b no 10-27-102 13:16:38 I think that when they sit down to consider it they won't 10-27-102 13:16:48 But you never know 10-27-102 13:17:54 What port is the FTPServer on? 10-27-102 13:19:13 21 I think 10-27-102 13:20:23 www.warpdoctor.org:21 right? 10-27-102 13:20:25 Yup, turned out Jer couldn't test it on another port, only works at the default 10-27-102 13:22:07 I believe we've covered the agenda. 10-27-102 13:22:28 Anyone have anything else they want to discuss? 10-27-102 13:22:46 Rat-Salad did bring up hosting the Apache OS/2 binaries 10-27-102 13:23:28 I assume your talking about the open source stuff. 10-27-102 13:24:05 And .... my guess is that VOICE1 is not getting backed up, since there appears to be noone are Walkabout to do that 10-27-102 13:24:36 Unless one of us is doing it remotely, or someone at Walkabout is doing it that I don't know about 10-27-102 13:24:43 True...I hadn't thought of that. 10-27-102 13:24:59 Rat-Salad was pulling down the webpages lastnight 10-27-102 13:25:30 Yes, the open source stuff. He mentioned it on the mailing list. 10-27-102 13:25:34 If we keep the server at Walkabout, in our current twilight state, we probably won't get backups done at the server 10-27-102 13:25:38 You can't do backups completely by remote control: someone has to change or mount the tapes. 10-27-102 13:26:45 Do we have a loyal VOICE user somewhere not far from Walkabout? 10-27-102 13:26:57 Could pull down the data over an internet connection to a local system 10-27-102 13:27:06 Where is Walkabout? 10-27-102 13:27:10 on hosting Apache - we probably ought to. Our intention was to mirror other FTP sites at some point in the future anyway 10-27-102 13:27:42 Gord: In Michigan, on the coast of the Lake. 10-27-102 13:27:44 I doubt that Walkabout would allow anyone else in their "server room", anyone that is not an employee 10-27-102 13:28:08 Only concern with it I would have is the usuall question of bandwidth usage, though I don't see a problem with the Apache binaries 10-27-102 13:28:29 I'm thinking we might want to move the server to the premises of a VOICE member. 10-27-102 13:28:52 Sector is right - if we had enough disk space we could back up to the hard drive and transfer the file(s) via FTP - but they might be BIG files 10-27-102 13:29:47 Walter - that would be the best solution - but that person's house would have to have very fast connections to the internet 10-27-102 13:29:50 Does a VOICE member have the capacity to host the server¿ 10-27-102 13:31:02 Do you remember the guy in (i believe) italy that recently offered to host WarpDoctor? 10-27-102 13:31:46 Actually I could probably do it, but I'm not very close. What kind of an Internet connection is needed? 10-27-102 13:32:14 Gord: Oceana County, Michigan 10-27-102 13:33:19 Doesn't matter if your close or not. 10-27-102 13:33:51 Yes, he's in Italy 10-27-102 13:34:09 How much data to backup? 10-27-102 13:34:15 Doug: I do have cable, which currently gives me up to 100 kps or even more. I'm currently upgrading my LAN hardware. 10-27-102 13:34:37 At least I was until I lost my main disk drive. :-( 10-27-102 13:35:46 Does your cable provider allow hosting¿ 10-27-102 13:36:29 No. Not on a residential account. 10-27-102 13:36:42 I have got to go guys - bt my guess is that we would need a T1 or some other BIG line to handle large usage moments, like when the newletter is released 10-27-102 13:37:05 Business rates cost more, but I believe they would, and would be faster. 10-27-102 13:38:13 If it becomes needed, it's possible VOICE might be able to pay the extra for the business rate. 10-27-102 13:38:19 So I guess we need a VOICE member who runs an ISP. 10-27-102 13:39:21 I'll check into the Business rates; and also check to see if they have special rates for non-profit organizations. 10-27-102 13:39:32 maybe I will ask our ISP and see what charges maybe there to have the server here at my office... 10-27-102 13:41:57 It may be able to stay with Walkabout, we just don't know... 10-27-102 13:42:07 He used to be a OS/2 guy (the isp) so maybe he might help the cause and do it for (hopefully) next to nothing. 10-27-102 13:47:21 If there's no other business, then I'll consider a motion to adjourn. 10-27-102 13:51:39 Move to adjourn. 10-27-102 13:52:16 All in favour type Aye 10-27-102 13:52:20 Aye 10-27-102 13:53:51 Meeting adjourned.