08-18-102 12:21:25 Item 2. Date, time, and frequency of meeting. 08-18-102 12:21:48 ok.. whats this about? 08-18-102 12:22:46 I would like to discuss the question as to whether you think changing the Day, Time, and Frequency of the WD meeting would improve attendance and involvement at our meetings. 08-18-102 12:23:14 I'm not suggesting anything. I would just like bounce the idea around. 08-18-102 12:24:04 Frequency=1 per week ; every other week ; monthly; etc. 08-18-102 12:25:04 Well, seeing as how we be the only ones here I'de say you don't have much of a cross section to ask... 08-18-102 12:25:44 I can be here pretty much anytime. The current time doesn't seem to be especially good for Doug, who's a very important member of the team. 08-18-102 12:26:35 I agree need more of a group here before really getting into it 08-18-102 12:26:56 Well we just got two more. 08-18-102 12:27:17 However, I'll bow to the wishes of the majority and wait for a better time. 08-18-102 12:27:37 Better time? 08-18-102 12:28:45 Walter has been wondering if a change in meeting schedule would work better 08-18-102 12:29:19 What does everyone think? 08-18-102 12:30:08 Just Before Ken and Doug got here I asked the following question:I would like to discuss the question as to whether you think changing the Day, Time, and Frequency of the WD meeting would improve attendance and involvement at our meetings. 08-18-102 12:30:43 Apparently most people think this is as good a time as any other time. 08-18-102 12:31:09 I'm just concerned about the dwindling attendance and involvement. 08-18-102 12:31:13 Changing the time might get more European attendence 08-18-102 12:31:31 Are most of the attendees US based? 08-18-102 12:31:38 But I am not sure what time could be had that would work for US and European 08-18-102 12:31:43 Exclusively 08-18-102 12:32:11 We have had a fellow from Italy and somewhere in nothern europe a few times 08-18-102 12:32:17 but not a whole bunch 08-18-102 12:32:18 Well, sometimes we get someone from Italy. 08-18-102 12:32:43 It's worth looking into. 08-18-102 12:33:02 I agree that it is worth checking out 08-18-102 12:33:19 Much later than the curent time would make it more difficult for any European users... 08-18-102 12:33:21 I like this time but I am more than willing to switch if some other time would work better. 08-18-102 12:34:14 Hmmm, and earlier Walter was saying this time wasn't good for you... 08-18-102 12:34:52 This time is great for me. The previous time, which was (I think) one hour earlier was a bad time for me. 08-18-102 12:35:06 what other times have been discussed? 08-18-102 12:35:26 None this time around 08-18-102 12:40:00 If we're going to make the meeting earlier to accomodate the European users and Doug, we'll have to change days. 08-18-102 12:46:23 Didn't we try an alternate date last year and into Jan for the sake of the Europeans? Something sure feels familiar about that. 08-18-102 12:51:28 Do have a consensus to carry on as we are doing? 08-18-102 12:51:56 I consense 08-18-102 12:52:28 Ok by me 08-18-102 12:59:23 Item 2: Project Reports. 08-18-102 13:00:02 Can we have informal reports from Doug and Jeremy? 08-18-102 13:00:38 as I was saying earlier.. I changed the logs pages back to the way they used to be 08-18-102 13:00:47 so they can be un-manned 08-18-102 13:01:15 Why did you change them in the first place? 08-18-102 13:01:24 Just curious. 08-18-102 13:01:36 cosmetic reasons mainly 08-18-102 13:02:58 Anything else? 08-18-102 13:03:27 but with the rexx scripts building the listing of files in the directory.. 08-18-102 13:03:56 its much easier on everyone (hehe no one has to do anything except upload the files to the server) 08-18-102 13:04:43 I'm done 08-18-102 13:09:19 I have put up a page - www.warpdoctor.org/plugin_page.html for the plug-in part of the project 08-18-102 13:09:22 I kinda feel that we should have two meetings a week 08-18-102 13:09:41 Why, Jeremy? 08-18-102 13:10:27 one at the conveinence of the US.. and the other for the Europeans 08-18-102 13:11:27 I like Niels idea - twice a week might be a little hard to arrange 08-18-102 13:11:46 (for me that it) 08-18-102 13:12:01 I believe we don't have enough people for twice a week 08-18-102 13:12:15 That's my concern as well. 08-18-102 13:13:20 I'm just concerned of the possiblity that we could be missing out on people who would be involved 08-18-102 13:13:35 About the plugin. Is it really needed? As far as I can see phpNuke and other portals allow file up and download without a plugin. 08-18-102 13:14:04 but yeah... perhaps we shouldn't have a regular time for the meetings.. maybe we should try doing it at random.. find out what's the best time that way 08-18-102 13:50:30 Our resources are too thin to spread out like that. 08-18-102 13:51:04 Rat- I would expect you to be at both meetings on a regular basis. 08-18-102 13:51:08 I don't understand your reasoning Walter.. since at lot of what a WD meeting is about is sharing ideas 08-18-102 13:51:47 this is also what logs are for 08-18-102 13:51:49 Even for those who are unable to attend the IRC meetings there's still the email list which is underutilized 08-18-102 13:51:52 What if - we set topics for the meeting a few weeks in advance - and targeted meetings to a single topic 08-18-102 13:52:35 Good idea, because I just can't see reading meetings, which I missed. 08-18-102 13:52:38 and yeah... chances are I would be able to attend both meetings regularly 08-18-102 13:52:40 Actually, if you look at the agenda, you'll see that a good part of the meeting is getting status reports from the Team Leaders. Tough to do if you're not there. 08-18-102 13:53:24 but Sector is right 08-18-102 13:53:39 we do have a mailing list that almost never gets used 08-18-102 13:54:10 except to annouce a irc meeting of course :) 08-18-102 13:57:13 Actually - the mailing lists are probably a better use of time than the IRC meetings 08-18-102 13:57:25 here's what I think -- Sunday 3pm our regular meeting 08-18-102 13:57:31 since there can be a lot of dead time in the ICR meeting 08-18-102 13:58:31 and for example... Wednesday 10:30am or whatever... a WarpDoctor general discussion group 08-18-102 13:59:35 What do mean by "WarpDoctor general discussion group"? 08-18-102 14:01:50 in a Warpdoctor project discussion good.. it would be more informal, with just a group of people chatting and passing around their points of view and ideas 08-18-102 14:03:27 The Sunday meeting is the official meeting. All decisions that effect policy and/or direction of the project as made on Sunday 08-18-102 14:03:45 I think it's always good to have different views and ideas being shared.. some really good stuff is came up with that way 08-18-102 14:03:49 Weds (or whatever) is an interest building, idea generating meeting 08-18-102 14:04:09 that hopefully pulls in more people from other areas of the world 08-18-102 14:05:05 I really only have two concerns about such a group. 08-18-102 14:06:49 a. Is it going to be logged? Since it's not a offical meeting, then it probably won't be meaning that people not in "attendance" won't benefit from 08-18-102 14:07:20 Walter, if wasn't logged it would be pointless.. so of course 08-18-102 14:07:26 the ideas generated there. Using the mailisting list would ensure the information is recorded. 08-18-102 14:09:26 actually I think both ideas should be used 08-18-102 14:09:26 Mailing list has the major advantage of being asynchronious, but if a group are going to work on an idea, e.g. a project, then IRC could help. 08-18-102 14:09:49 Well, time's is up for this meeting, so let's table the discussion until next week. 08-18-102 14:09:54 more discussions on the mailing list.. and such a group like I am talking about 08-18-102 14:11:54 Thanks - Niels asked a good question - why do we need the plug-in? 08-18-102 14:12:19 There are a number of other sites on the web that have, or appear to have, file upload withoug using a plug-in. 08-18-102 14:12:47 I assume they are using MIME multi-part which was created specifically for file uploading 08-18-102 14:13:22 I tried using that on OS/2 and was not successful. I took some code someone had posted for a file upload feature for windows and Unix, 08-18-102 14:13:49 ported it to OS/2 and tried to make it work. I was not successful. But it might be me. 08-18-102 14:14:15 I don't know if the problem is Netscape on OS/2, TCP or something else in OS/2, or moe porting job. 08-18-102 14:14:22 this is interesting because I have been to sites under OS/2 and used file upload features 08-18-102 14:14:23 I have a version of phpNuke on an old machine at work. I will activate the file upload feature, and see if it works under OS/2. 08-18-102 14:15:03 But if ANYONE has a file upload on OS/2 that works - please send it to me. Maybe I can see what is wrong by looking at the code 08-18-102 14:15:25 I would get the upload to work fairly reliably for text files, but it was unreliable for binary files. 08-18-102 14:16:31 Perhaps it is my system setup. How about if I put the mime-multipart upload thingy on the WD server and you-all can try it there? 08-18-102 14:16:57 Our CampusNet at the Technical University of Denmark has file upload capability. I works under Netscape, but performs better under Mozilla. The server is *NIX of some kind. 08-18-102 14:17:11 perhaps we could do that... 08-18-102 14:17:58 My test case was uploading a PDF file. What happened was the last few (3-4) bytes were truncated, which gets Acrobat Reader very upset. 08-18-102 14:18:12 But is was not consistent. Sometimes it works, sometimes it didn't 08-18-102 14:18:56 Ok - I'll put something on the WD server, where you can upload and download the same file. 08-18-102 14:19:24 I think a test phase maybe a good idea 08-18-102 14:19:36 I'll send out a mailing list notification. If you all could upload some files and download the same files, and make sure they come through ok I would appreciate it. 08-18-102 14:20:26 It needs to be files that are sensitive to content and being complete. Like encrypted zip files or PDF or things of that sort. 08-18-102 14:20:40 I am not sure that graphics files are all that picky 08-18-102 14:21:12 ok - second thing. I have put a page up - www.warpdoctor.org/plugin_page.html 08-18-102 14:21:51 I've looked over that page--it's very well done. Thanks. 08-18-102 14:21:54 It contains links to download the plug-in and some test cases. If you could try the test cases, especially if you have Mozialla (not IBM web server) 08-18-102 14:23:16 Please try the examples and email me the results. Most of the VX-Rexx examples will crash the browser when you exit the page. And the Cmd Line Rexx example doesn't work on WD but does on my machine so I have to investigate those issues. 08-18-102 14:24:02 I tried IBM web browser - Mozilla based - and it does not send the information to the plug-in correctly 08-18-102 14:24:33 Thats why I was hoping someone has a later version of the plain-old Mozilla they coudl try for me. 08-18-102 14:24:51 Mozilla 1.1b here 08-18-102 14:28:19 The error is so basic that I don't think ANY plug-in will work with the IBM browser, at least that version 08-18-102 14:29:28 I will download the lastest version of Mozilla this week and try it out. I have been spending ALL of my time trying to get this plug-in thing to work 08-18-102 14:30:56 Anyway - the DrRexx programs and the Rexx as macro seem to run fine - along with the simple VX-Rexx template app. I will work on the VX-Rexx problem this week 08-18-102 14:32:39 Probably needs to be Netscape v 3 compatible. Which I think Net v 2.02 for OS/2 is in most cases. 08-18-102 14:33:06 The Javascript version in Net 2.2 for OS/2 is at the Net 3 version level anyway 08-18-102 14:34:12 I want to make sure that the plug-in DLL works on other people's machines. If you click on the download like you will get that DLL 08-18-102 14:34:24 Ok - i'm done - thanks 08-18-102 14:35:35 OK, anyone object to adjourning? 08-18-102 14:36:29 Meeting adjourned.