07-07-102 12:20:40 This session of WD is now in session. 07-07-102 12:20:44 Answer to #2 yes 07-07-102 12:20:55 I assume Sector..... 07-07-102 12:21:43 Agenda Item 3: Old Business 07-07-102 12:22:01 a. NetOp evaluation. 07-07-102 12:22:55 I haven't seen a evaluation 07-07-102 12:23:06 Well, I ordered the trial version over two weeks ago, and haven't heard a thing. Doesn't sound like they're too anxious to sell. 07-07-102 12:23:21 heh 07-07-102 12:23:30 They said they'd get back in two business days. 07-07-102 12:23:56 you probably need to contact them 07-07-102 12:25:31 Frankly, I'm inclined to get SSH up and running and then continue to use DTOC, supplemented by SSH where needed. That would at the very least give us the ability to remote boot using software. 07-07-102 12:26:39 if you can get in you with SSH you can reboot it easy enough.. setboot /b (I think) 07-07-102 12:26:43 I agree with Walter 07-07-102 12:26:45 My arithmetic shows that NetOp--unless we get a very good price indeed--is going to cost more than I'm comfortable taking to the VOICE BOD. 07-07-102 12:27:21 I agree 07-07-102 12:27:28 VOICE would be spending hundreds of $$ for a program only two or so people would be authorized to used. 07-07-102 12:27:59 is there anything needed of me before I do? 07-07-102 12:28:17 RAT-did you get permission from Abel to add us to the SSH server? 07-07-102 12:28:40 I e-mailed Abel two weeks ago.. no reply 07-07-102 12:30:07 Do you know HOW to add us to the SSH permission list? 07-07-102 12:30:20 no 07-07-102 12:30:38 Maybe Abel works for NetOp now! ;-) 07-07-102 12:32:07 Maybe we should install a fresh installation of SSH, when we install the new Apache server. 07-07-102 12:32:48 That is probably the most realist way of getting SSH access 07-07-102 12:33:06 Is SSH already installed?? 07-07-102 12:33:24 It's there 07-07-102 12:33:33 what does that mean Sector 07-07-102 12:33:35 Yes, but everyone but Abel seems to be locked out. And we can't get hold of Abel. 07-07-102 12:33:46 It's installed. 07-07-102 12:34:14 is that a third part app or part of WSeb? 07-07-102 12:34:38 Third party application. 07-07-102 12:35:25 SSH is a secure shell - a secure telnet that allows someone to remotely access the server via a command line prompt 07-07-102 12:35:27 It's also freely available software. 07-07-102 12:35:46 does it work with ZOC? 07-07-102 12:35:55 Wilson Rook has a problem with regular old telnet 07-07-102 12:36:15 Its not secure 07-07-102 12:36:41 ZOC says that it can connect to SSH but I have never tried it 07-07-102 12:36:59 I think Jeremy does also 07-07-102 12:37:13 Yup, SSH would be the better more secure option 07-07-102 12:38:35 I personnally think that there isn'tmuch likely hood that someone will be monitoring packets while we are logging on using Telnet in order to get the logon password 07-07-102 12:40:07 But I am not a networking guy so I bow to the more experienced people 07-07-102 12:45:11 Does anyone know the URL of the website for the open source SSH project? 07-07-102 12:45:32 I just check on ZOC and it is downloadable module that has to be installed to work... 07-07-102 12:45:40 It is in the log from the last meeting 07-07-102 12:46:02 Extra cost or freely downloadable? 07-07-102 12:46:26 Free download 07-07-102 12:47:56 what version of SSH...it seems there is version 1.x and 2.x 07-07-102 12:49:49 http://devcenter.os2.ru/openssh/ 07-07-102 12:50:59 Thanks, Mark. 07-07-102 12:56:49 Does anyone know of another terminal program besides ZOC that supports SSH. 07-07-102 12:57:46 I would hate to have to buy a program as expensive as ZOC just for SSH. Since I have broadband I don't even need a dialler.:-) 07-07-102 12:58:32 Can you use the workstation edition of SSH from a browser? 07-07-102 13:03:34 There is an SSH client. I've never used one 07-07-102 13:04:35 I guess I'll be trying it out. 07-07-102 13:05:03 These days I feel like a guinea pig anyway. 07-07-102 13:05:17 There is also a Java app Mindterm - http://www.os2voice.org/VNL/past_issues/VNL0500H/vnewsf2.htm 07-07-102 13:06:21 Holy cow, that's $89.95 for one license 07-07-102 13:07:33 OK, so we've decided to implement a new SSH server along with the IBM Apache. 07-07-102 13:07:57 Mark--That's even more than ZOC! 07-07-102 13:09:03 When devcenter.ru comes back up, I'll take a more careful look at what they have in the way of clients. 07-07-102 13:09:37 And Zoc is a native OS/2 app 07-07-102 13:10:42 Actually I used ZOC for quite awhile, until the author started jacking up the registration fees to pay for features I didn't need or want. 07-07-102 13:11:38 This was many years ago. 07-07-102 13:12:12 Agenda Item 4: Status Reports 07-07-102 13:12:34 a. Now we know why Jeremy was in a hurry to leave. :-) 07-07-102 13:13:46 b. Doug, I appreciate your Netscape plugin. I read over the attachment, but didn't try installing it. 07-07-102 13:14:17 That's ok, it is still early alpha stage software 07-07-102 13:14:46 Have you done any work on getting the DB2 engine and Apache ready for another Server re-install? 07-07-102 13:15:05 We really need to have Jeremy here to pursue this. :-) 07-07-102 13:15:10 No - I thought I was out of the Apache server install 07-07-102 13:16:10 There doesn't need anything to be done with DB2 though (bad english) 07-07-102 13:16:54 Well, as I remember there were some instances where the paths in the new .CONF file, for example, were incorrect. Who was going to repair those? Course my memory could be all wrong too. 07-07-102 13:17:31 I do remember trying to fix one or two myself. 07-07-102 13:18:03 True - I'm thinking that it's probably better to have just one person messing with that, and that person should probably be Jeremy 07-07-102 13:18:47 OK, that makes sense. I'll double-check the logs to see what we decided, but that sounds right. 07-07-102 13:19:25 Anybody have any comments about the parallel server? 07-07-102 13:19:27 Some of that configuration stuff has IP addresses coded into it which makes it difficult or impossible to simulate on my machine, so I couldn't make that changes on my machine to see if they work in advance 07-07-102 13:19:48 Understood. 07-07-102 13:20:10 That's why having a parallel server will be so valuable. 07-07-102 13:21:18 I'll email Jeremy, and mention these things to him after the meeting. 07-07-102 13:22:10 Unless someone has some additional business, I'm prepared to hear a motion for adjournment. 07-07-102 13:22:50 move to adjourn 07-07-102 13:23:13 All in favour of adjourning, type Aye 07-07-102 13:23:18 aye 07-07-102 13:23:19 Aye 07-07-102 13:23:50 Aye 07-07-102 13:24:46 Opposed type Nay. 07-07-102 13:25:07 Motion is carried. 07-07-102 13:25:13 Meeting is adjourned.