06-09-102 12:10:23 I was about to say, as it said in the announcment, this meeting is going to be a little unusual in that it will be devoted the upgrade of Apache server. 06-09-102 12:10:54 Has anyone heard from Doug or Abel? 06-09-102 12:11:13 Before, we bein with Item 3, I would like to wait for Doug and RS. 06-09-102 12:11:24 im here now 06-09-102 12:21:13 OK, we've covered Items 1. and 2. 06-09-102 12:24:43 Let's get started with Agenda Item 3. 06-09-102 12:25:37 a. Our Scheduled Upgrade of Apache on Thursday didn't go particularly badly, as we all know. :-( 06-09-102 12:26:40 b. The purpose of this meeting is to try to come with a set of procedures that will prevent this kind of thing from happening in the future. 06-09-102 12:27:22 I think I could have gotten it working.. but I didn't want to continue working on it.. things had been down long enough and I felt it was making us look bad 06-09-102 12:27:30 What I have written i-vi are just my ideas: they are a starting point, and not cast in stone by any means. 06-09-102 12:28:41 Part of the solution involves finding a way to avoid putting people under time pressure like that. 06-09-102 13:03:55 Doug: No Thursday was the culmination of a host of problems. 06-09-102 13:07:10 Many of these problems occurred because people were in a hurry. 06-09-102 13:08:09 Where I screwed up on Thurs is I forgot to check www.os2voice.org (as stupid as it sounds) to see if it was running 06-09-102 13:08:24 I checked warpdoctor.org to see that it was running. 06-09-102 13:09:56 what it is... the emx version of apache has a function that the ibm version doesn't 06-09-102 13:09:58 I didn't know what time you were going to start+ my email from the previous night somehow didn't get set. 06-09-102 13:10:21 doug: I just read your earlier message. Yes, when you sign on it works exactly like telnet. 06-09-102 13:10:23 I know both "sites" run on the same machine - I just spaced out the os2voice.org side 06-09-102 13:10:28 the line goes like this: include conf/vhosts 06-09-102 13:10:45 which is suppose to read everytthing in the vhosts sub directory 06-09-102 13:10:56 but the ibm apache won't do it 06-09-102 13:11:44 I thought about that when I was making the change. If it didn't work I was going to try adding multiple lines specifying each conf file in the vhosts directory 06-09-102 13:11:46 Doug, what version (or date) of the Apache zip file did you use? 06-09-102 13:12:10 But since I didn't check os2voice I didn't think anything more about it.... 06-09-102 13:12:56 I used the IBM http server located in e:\downloads\httpsrv.exe 06-09-102 13:13:05 It is dated jan, 2001 06-09-102 13:16:08 What I think we need - or rather what I obviously need - is a list or procedure of what depends on what. 06-09-102 13:16:37 For instance, in this case, www.warpdoctor.org, www.os2voice.org both run off of Apache 06-09-102 13:16:47 Anything in the docs to help you with that? 06-09-102 13:17:00 If we ever host warpstock that would be added to the list 06-09-102 13:17:18 Apparently DTOC also requires the web server AND ssl 06-09-102 13:17:38 Doug: we're hosting Warpstock now. 06-09-102 13:17:40 (At least I think DTOC requires the web server - I am not sure) 06-09-102 13:18:27 I think this kind of document will be needed for the database also. And perhaps for whatever mail servers are being run, etc. 06-09-102 13:18:52 DTOC has its own httpd web server run on a different port 06-09-102 13:19:21 So in the warpstock case, warpstock.org should also be checked to make sure it is running after any web server change 06-09-102 13:19:23 It's a good idea, Doug. 06-09-102 13:19:31 warpstock.org also disappeared that day. :-P 06-09-102 13:20:12 Since we are all volunteer org - we probably need to be more careful about documentation than normal 06-09-102 13:20:35 because any of us could disappear at any time - or be unavailable 06-09-102 13:21:16 Doug: it's happened routinely in the past. 06-09-102 13:22:02 Doug: Are you familiar with the Read_Me first folder in DTOC? 06-09-102 13:22:22 Yep! but that is not nearly enough 06-09-102 13:22:39 No, but it's a start. 06-09-102 13:22:43 I didn't know that warpstock was running from voice1 - and it isn't mentioned in the readme 06-09-102 13:22:45 you need to record everything you do 06-09-102 13:23:20 I mean--it's a starting place to collect the information you need. 06-09-102 13:23:21 "the read me before doing anything" is there so we don't trip over eachother 06-09-102 13:23:41 it's on the desktop 06-09-102 13:24:11 it's a habit we need to get into 06-09-102 13:28:46 It would also probably help in the future if each person worked in the area he was most comfortable with. 06-09-102 13:29:29 For example, Doug you would get the DB2 stuff working, and leave the Apache configuration to RS. 06-09-102 13:29:44 Do either of you have a problem with that? 06-09-102 13:30:51 Then we meet in a small group--probably private--chat and work out how to put the pieces together. 06-09-102 13:30:53 Walter: I just downloaded 1_2_30 version of ssh-os2 from hobbes. It doesn't say it is shareware. 06-09-102 13:36:57 On Thur or Fri, I forget, Mark suggested we should run any new versions of Apache we develop in parallel with the existing one, until we feel comfortable that it is bug-free. 06-09-102 13:37:10 I think that's a great idea. 06-09-102 13:37:14 Yes. The new version run under emx! 06-09-102 13:38:17 You can run a new server in parallel by using a different port. (The default server always runs off port 80.)) 06-09-102 13:42:09 Well, I think we done as much as we can today, so I'd like to finish this at a later meeting. 06-09-102 13:42:21 Anybody care to adjourn? 06-09-102 13:42:29 move to adjourn 06-09-102 13:42:52 All in favour of adjournment, say Aye 06-09-102 13:43:01 aye 06-09-102 13:43:01 aye 06-09-102 13:43:44 Opposed likewise. 06-09-102 13:43:59 Motion carried. 06-09-102 13:44:04 Meeting adjourned.