06-02-102 12:15:27 This meeting of WarpDoctor is hereby called to order. 06-02-102 12:15:48 Does everyone have a copy of the agenda? 06-02-102 12:16:22 The agenda is at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_2002-06-02.html 06-02-102 12:16:35 OK, the rule is you have to download it from--thanks Doug. 06-02-102 12:16:51 Each week you'll find the URL in the announcement. 06-02-102 12:17:37 But they're always in the same directory http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/ 06-02-102 12:20:26 Agenda Item 2: Sector, you recording this meeting? 06-02-102 12:20:36 Of course 06-02-102 12:21:08 Agenda Item 3: Old Business 06-02-102 12:21:27 a. - Web Site 06-02-102 12:22:22 Jeremy, where do we stand on this? Should we try to find someone to fill in for you until you get settled, or....? 06-02-102 12:22:57 ok... I have been away for awhile now in a sense... now that I'm back on a perm. connection my work is really backed up on me.. it's going to take awhile for me to catch up 06-02-102 12:23:33 Understood. And you've got your work project. 06-02-102 12:23:38 unfortunately, I have to put other things higher on my priority list than the WarpDoctor, and VOICE websites 06-02-102 12:24:25 right... I have to do my paid work first 06-02-102 12:24:45 Doug, would you have the time to help Jeremy work on the website? 06-02-102 12:24:47 we understand completely 06-02-102 12:24:49 which I'm sure everyone here understand that 06-02-102 12:25:05 Yes 06-02-102 12:25:49 I think right now the most important thing with the WarpDoctor website is getting the logs up 06-02-102 12:26:30 Where are the logs stored now? - or rather, are all the logs on voice1? 06-02-102 12:26:33 I agree. Almost every week I get requests to read the meeting in the logs. 06-02-102 12:27:09 AFAIK they're on sector's disks. 06-02-102 12:27:19 I have most of them as well. 06-02-102 12:27:22 yeah all the logs are on VOICE1.. Sector uploads them.. \home\warpdoctor\public_html\irclogs\ 06-02-102 12:27:38 Ok - i'll go add them to the wd page 06-02-102 12:27:42 you'll see all the logs, and the HTML files in that directory 06-02-102 12:28:36 Thanks, Doug, for helping Jeremy out here. :-) 06-02-102 12:28:53 thanks a lot doug 06-02-102 12:29:07 Sure thing - I hope everything clears up soon for RS 06-02-102 12:29:36 I just need to catch up and ill be back at it good as new :) 06-02-102 12:30:12 things get hard when your away for 2 months without a constant connection 06-02-102 12:30:32 Great! Well, the logs are the most important thing right now. 06-02-102 12:33:43 Jeremy or Doug, is there anything else you want to mention about the web site? 06-02-102 12:34:07 Does that include item b? 06-02-102 12:34:28 Go for it. 06-02-102 12:35:04 I am finishing up the plugin for OS/2, and hope to have the plugin compiled for Windows this evening 06-02-102 12:36:00 So what is left to do is add the html/javascript part to build the input screen, an then finish the CGI part for the input. 06-02-102 12:36:26 I am shooting for having the data entry part done by next weekend 06-02-102 12:36:47 That's great, but don't stress yourself out. :-) 06-02-102 12:36:51 I don't know if I can get the search finished by then. 06-02-102 12:37:10 We are getting very close to having something that is operational 06-02-102 12:37:51 I have a problem getting administrative stuff done though 06-02-102 12:38:10 What's the problem? 06-02-102 12:38:15 Hello Mark 06-02-102 12:38:19 It seems that Abel and Bill are VERY busy 06-02-102 12:38:45 Yeah, I know. Bill mentioned that. 06-02-102 12:39:03 we need to get user IDs setup, apache converted to IBM and perhaps some minor changes to the config of Apache 06-02-102 12:39:05 hi Walter 06-02-102 12:39:31 I wasn't able to get the list of approved VOICE people to him by Tuesday as he'd hoped for. 06-02-102 12:39:59 approved for what? Sorry I'm late. 06-02-102 12:40:14 Perhaps we need more people assigned as administrator? 06-02-102 12:41:02 MADecsSMP - Bill Rook suggested a list of people that could call and have the server rebooted by his techs 06-02-102 12:41:03 I think it is clear that Abel needs help, since he no longer has the time to do things on a timely basis 06-02-102 12:41:23 Mark, the plan was to get Bill a list of "approved" people who would be authorized to tell the Walkabout teckies to reboot VOICE1 by Tuesday. 06-02-102 12:41:32 Along with a password. 06-02-102 12:41:42 Sounds like a great idea 06-02-102 12:42:10 I just couldn't get it done on time, and now Bill is extrememly busy. 06-02-102 12:43:20 Mark-about Abel-I agree. 06-02-102 12:43:57 For awhile Bill was filling that role, but now he's in the same boat. 06-02-102 12:44:21 Abel sent me a note a couple of weeks ago that said he was swampped 06-02-102 12:44:36 Which is good new from the income point of view 06-02-102 12:44:48 I think Abel said that he was having more work done on his house 06-02-102 12:45:30 he been real busy with house last time i stopped by to see him 06-02-102 12:45:59 Who do we know that has Abel's level of expertise with the systems on VOICE1? 06-02-102 12:47:05 If the VOICE member list were working we could put out a request for help with the server. We have over 250 members. Someone must have some free time and the ability to help. 06-02-102 12:49:00 What about Rat-Salad? 06-02-102 12:49:20 Rat-Salad has a lack of time problem right now 06-02-102 12:52:38 as far as server admin stuff goes I know more about Linux than OS/2 06-02-102 12:53:10 I have Weasel admin setup on my PC here so can connect the admin from here, just have to do some file management through DTOC 06-02-102 12:53:31 RS - I would install the IBM version of Apache, but I am worried about the virtual hosting stuff that is in the conf file 06-02-102 13:09:30 I'll finish off item b - database is proceeding 06-02-102 13:09:40 Doug had said: we need to get user IDs setup, apache converted to IBM and perhaps some minor changes to the config 06-02-102 13:09:40 of Apache 06-02-102 13:11:05 I think we're going to have to bite the bullet, and realize we are going to have do this without Abel. 06-02-102 13:11:19 I can proceed without that. But I think we want apache converted before large numbers (say 4 or 5)of people start using it 06-02-102 13:11:33 He simply isn't available on a timely basis anymore. 06-02-102 13:12:45 If we who are present don't have the skills to do it, then we have to import some. 06-02-102 13:13:02 But we don't have anyone with experience with Apache 2.0 or the IBM web server version. I can't do it. I run GoServe, which is about my limit. 06-02-102 13:13:47 However, we have GOT to do everything we can to maintain the integrity of VOICE1 for the outside world. 06-02-102 13:13:53 Comments? 06-02-102 13:15:26 I am more familar with the Apache config btw since I've worked with Linux a lot 06-02-102 13:16:03 IBM Web Server is Apache, isn't it? 06-02-102 13:16:47 yeah.. its the same.. just has the IBM name on it.. the difference is the way it's compiled I think 06-02-102 13:17:16 Yes - the issue is that the configuration is different for SSL on IBM Apache from Apache 06-02-102 13:17:33 yeah SSL is different 06-02-102 13:17:37 Shanghaing people has worked in the past as well Walter. ;-P 06-02-102 13:24:12 Anyway, as we talk to people via email, irc etc. look for people who would could be helpful to WarpDoctor. 06-02-102 13:24:59 WarpDoctor and VOICE1 06-02-102 13:25:04 Rat-Salad: it sounds to me like you and Doug could pull off the IBM Apache conversion. 06-02-102 13:25:49 I guess the question for you is timing. 06-02-102 13:25:56 If we did this, when would be the time for a switch-over? 06-02-102 13:26:32 How long do you think it would take to prepare and then execute? 06-02-102 13:26:49 my situation should be pretty much back to normal in a week or two 06-02-102 13:27:20 If we stripped out SSL - and everything went OK, the actual switch would take about 10 min 06-02-102 13:27:52 We don't need SSL for now. Probably won't for several months. 06-02-102 13:28:01 I don't think SSL is a must at this time 06-02-102 13:28:06 It would be better to do it during Walkarounds business hours so that if anything bad happens, we could reboot. 06-02-102 13:29:38 Let me prepare a list of "approved personnel" together with a password for his techies, and *email* it to him. He should read it sometime in a week or two. 06-02-102 13:30:19 Bill and I exchanged a number of emails last week - so he is reading them 06-02-102 13:30:57 Good. Once he's read it then we can have the system rebooted using a phone call. 06-02-102 13:31:27 I tried to go in last week and look at the apache stuff and couldn't get DTOC to work 06-02-102 13:31:43 What was the problem? 06-02-102 13:31:54 Desktop never appeared. 06-02-102 13:32:02 I really think DTOC works better if you use Java 1.1.8 06-02-102 13:32:27 Mark was having that problem as well. It seems to be working OK now, though. 06-02-102 13:32:29 I am using net 4.61 and whatever Java comes with eCS 06-02-102 13:32:39 Same here. 06-02-102 13:33:01 4.61 seems to work best for this. 06-02-102 13:33:06 I'll try again. Assumming that Bill gets the email and responds by Tues - is Thurs morning a good time to do this? 06-02-102 13:33:27 there is no Java in Mozilla out of the box 06-02-102 13:33:45 Mozilla has a box? 06-02-102 13:34:36 Doug: It's OK by me, but you and Jeremy need to synochronise with each other as well. 06-02-102 13:34:52 Does that sound good RS? 06-02-102 13:36:30 sounds good to me 06-02-102 13:37:10 Should a notice go out on VOICE about an outage - or should we suprise them? 06-02-102 13:38:14 I think we post an outage message. 06-02-102 13:38:34 Doug: How would you like to do that? 06-02-102 13:39:01 Walter - why don't you email when you get a response from Bill - that way I know that it is OK to proceed 06-02-102 13:40:02 I'll do the conversion here on my system, with the virtual hosting stuff included, before Thurs 06-02-102 13:40:09 Nothing scary, just a warning that a brief (give estimated time if possible) outage may occur on VOICE1. 06-02-102 13:40:23 How does that notice happen? 06-02-102 13:40:40 Doug: OK, I'll email you after I hear from Bill. 06-02-102 13:40:53 Send a message to submit@os2voice.org 06-02-102 13:41:21 Ok - I'll put the notice out after your email 06-02-102 13:42:54 I'm going table Old Business: subitem d. Data entry. 06-02-102 13:43:14 Let's leave that until we have the present stuff out of the way. 06-02-102 13:44:21 Anybody have any Other Busness? 06-02-102 13:45:12 move to adjourn 06-02-102 13:45:33 All in favour type Aye 06-02-102 13:45:46 aye 06-02-102 13:45:48 Aye 06-02-102 13:46:10 aye 06-02-102 13:46:40 All opposed? 06-02-102 13:46:59 Carried 06-02-102 13:47:08 The meeting is adjourned.