05-26-102 15:12:36 I declare this meeting of WarpDoctor in session. 05-26-102 15:18:23 Agenda Item 2: Sector isn't here (he said he wouldn't earlier) but I'm taking the log. 05-26-102 15:18:51 Agenda Item 3: Review of Current Projects. 05-26-102 15:21:41 Well the first item under review of current projects is web site, but R-S isn't here. (I sent him an email.) 05-26-102 15:22:26 So I guess we'll leave that for now, and ask Doug to give us a review of the Database status? 05-26-102 15:23:51 Before I left on vacation I installed the first - very preliminary - version of the database/web 05-26-102 15:24:17 It just showed displaying some basic pages coming from the database. 05-26-102 15:24:17 I was never able to connect to it. 05-26-102 15:24:39 Probably my issues with DTOC and possibly my firewall. 05-26-102 15:24:54 The problem is - every time VOICE1 is rebooted the database is stopped. And the database is not configured to start automatically 05-26-102 15:25:13 For example - I just checked a moment ago and the database is not running now 05-26-102 15:25:21 Actually, I could connect, but I couldn't get off the first page that came up. 05-26-102 15:25:53 I have built the screen that goes with the DB2 - start tab - so that the database can be started from the Admin notebook 05-26-102 15:25:59 Yeah, you said DB2 is tricky that way. 05-26-102 15:26:42 (Walter - the very first page - xhome.html - is actuallly html so that it will come up regardless of whether the database is running. All the things you click on on the left side - except the admin - are from the database) 05-26-102 15:27:06 I can go in right now and start the database so you all can try it if you want. 05-26-102 15:27:18 Sounds like what was happening to me. :-( 05-26-102 15:27:23 The real solution is to add the start database command to startup.cmd 05-26-102 15:27:29 Send me a list of programs that have to be started and I'll add them to the startup list. 05-26-102 15:27:48 Will do Bill. 05-26-102 15:28:14 I fact Bill - if you are by the machine - could you log and then type db2start from a command prompt please? 05-26-102 15:28:16 Also do you still need the users and groups added? 05-26-102 15:28:41 Could you elaborate? 05-26-102 15:28:46 Yeah I do. My ID cann't get into UPM because I am not administrator. Which is why I cannot add the user IDs 05-26-102 15:29:26 Doug sent me a message 3 - 4 weeks ago for some admin changes. I still have them in my email. 05-26-102 15:29:38 I asked Bill/Able to add some groups and user IDs specifically for use by the CGI programs that access the database. 05-26-102 15:30:05 The do NOT need permissions to anything on VOICE1 - that will be assigned in the database. But the IDs and groups need to exist. 05-26-102 15:30:40 Right now I am using my user ID when I start the connection manager which is then used by the CGI programs to connect to the database 05-26-102 15:31:23 I thought it would be better to create an ID used by the CGI programs themselves - that doesn't belong to any one individual. 05-26-102 15:31:52 Yes that is better -- and DB2Start has been run 05-26-102 15:31:55 Does that answer you Walter? 05-26-102 15:32:58 Hang on - let me check the site for a second 05-26-102 15:35:06 Ok - if you look at the ConMan status screen in the Admin notebook you will see one ConRad session running. This is titled (Overflow). 05-26-102 15:35:38 The overflow means that it was a session that was automatically started because there were no available sessions running when a database request came in 05-26-102 15:36:17 And there were no available sessions because I started ConMan before the database was started so it couldn't start any ConRad sessions at startup 05-26-102 15:37:12 (I will add db2start to startup.cmd) 05-26-102 15:37:38 If you look at the ConMan-Start tab you will the line for Start and Max. The START determines how many "open connection" sessions - ConRad sessions - are started up. 05-26-102 15:38:06 More or less. :-) 05-26-102 15:38:15 If more connections are needed then the number of sessions that are currently running, additional "sessions" are started - up to the MAX number 05-26-102 15:39:03 Those additional sessions are labled as "overflow" sessions on the status screen - and they terminate themselves automatically when they hit the "decay time" 05-26-102 15:39:21 Is it possible for me to see ConMan? 05-26-102 15:39:28 Decay time meaning the number of minutes the session sits idle without serving any database requests 05-26-102 15:39:44 Does that all make sense? 05-26-102 15:40:37 I will assume that means yes 05-26-102 15:40:58 What is the MAX number of sessions/ 05-26-102 15:41:00 ? 05-26-102 15:41:43 The max number of sessions = the maximum number of "open connections", hence database connections, allowed at any one time. 05-26-102 15:41:58 The way this works is: 05-26-102 15:42:54 For each link on the left side of the xhome (except for Administration), the web server starts a CGI program named warpdoc_menu.exe 05-26-102 15:43:31 That CGI program looks for an open, available connection. (It does this by attempting to open a named pipe that connects to a running ConRad program) 05-26-102 15:44:16 If it finds an open connection it "attaches" to the connection, sends in a database request (SQL query), and receives data back from the database 05-26-102 15:44:52 It converts the data from the database into HTML, sends that out via STDOUT - which the web server picks up and sends to the browser 05-26-102 15:45:07 and then "un-attachs" from the open connection 05-26-102 15:45:50 The process - from attaching to un-attaching - usually takes less than 1/2 second - on my server/client setup 05-26-102 15:46:40 If there are no available open connections when the CGI program starts up, it sends a message to the Connection Manager, which will then start an additional ConRad (open connection session) 05-26-102 15:47:04 The Connection Manager will only start up to the MAX number of ConRad sessions 05-26-102 15:49:55 I will get with Bill and try to make sure all the stuff starts automatically that needs to start 05-26-102 15:50:58 Back to status - the part I was describing was done before I left for vacation, but because of rebooting and DB2 not starting automatically it didn't work after VOICE was rebooted. 05-26-102 15:52:12 After I got back - I worked on adding programs for the DB2 tabs in the notebook. I now have programs that start, stop the database, and force off applications - which are needed for doing the backups 05-26-102 15:53:11 I have not moved those to VOICE1 yet. All those DB2 tasks could be done by using that java - remote client thingy, but this is easier and opens up administration tasks to a wider audience 05-26-102 15:53:22 wider audience means more volunteers 05-26-102 15:54:03 This last week I have been working on data entry/change screens for puting content into the database 05-26-102 15:54:29 both by us on the WD team and for use by the general public 05-26-102 15:55:08 The problem I have been wrestling with last week is getting a file from the client (browser) to the server so it can be put into the database. 05-26-102 15:55:44 We need to take files for all the reasons we discussed before: 1) because no-one wants to type 64k of text in a browser screen 05-26-102 15:56:04 and 2) because some of the input, e.g. PDF files, etc. cannot be entered from a browser screen. 05-26-102 15:56:47 I first tried to use the html tag. 05-26-102 15:57:03 This sends the data using something called multi-part MIME. 05-26-102 15:57:16 The problems turned out to be 05-26-102 15:57:29 I think you need to get together with Rat-Salad on that. 05-26-102 15:57:32 1) it (netscape) would not reliable send the entire file. 05-26-102 15:57:59 He can pretty much pull rabbits out of hats when it comes to web sites. 05-26-102 15:58:02 2) when it did send the entire file, the contents were not the same - i.e. it jumbled up the bytes 05-26-102 15:58:32 I haven't been sending very much to him because I thought he was still "unavailable" 05-26-102 15:59:07 I gave up on the HTML tag method on Wed and started working on an alternative 05-26-102 15:59:08 Well his email address has ALWAYS been up because he owns it. 05-26-102 15:59:42 For the past several weeks however, he hasn't been able to answer mail as frequently as usual. 05-26-102 15:59:44 I'll get in contact with him now. I knew he always had the email - I just though he couldn't read/answer it 05-26-102 16:00:14 The alternative should solve both problems. 05-26-102 16:00:35 He used to get 2 hours a day. Not very much for a guy like him. 05-26-102 16:01:01 In 1 hour time periods. 05-26-102 16:01:09 It is a plug-in that sends interacts with entry screen and sends the file via FTP using netscape plugin commands 05-26-102 16:01:16 However, that's all behind him now. 05-26-102 16:01:45 And I thought table television was worthless! 05-26-102 16:02:27 It isn't. I was downloading Netscape yesterday at about 170 kb/sec! 05-26-102 16:02:56 I am about half way done with the plugin. I have run into a problem with the plugin documentation from netscape (it isn't very good) 05-26-102 16:03:24 Some of the new digital channels are OK too. I get to watch the old (and good) shows all over again. 05-26-102 16:03:44 and I am having to convert a monitor program from Unix to debug the output Netscape sends to the server. 05-26-102 16:03:59 BTW, Doug, what had we decided to do about the multi-browser problem? 05-26-102 16:04:00 Anyway - I hope to have the plug in done this week. 05-26-102 16:04:24 Good you asked that - since we are talking about plugins 05-26-102 16:04:31 You know that fact that browsers are becoming less compatible almost every week. 05-26-102 16:04:39 I am assumming our policy is: 05-26-102 16:05:17 all browsers from all platforms for the general user that wants to look at content, using webExplore at the test beast 05-26-102 16:05:52 For users that want to enter data (content) netscape or IE from OS/2, Windows, and hopefully Linux/freeBSD 05-26-102 16:06:15 For administrators - Netscape 4 only, or IE 4/5 - at least for now 05-26-102 16:06:38 Does that sound ok? 05-26-102 16:07:10 Are there sites that would work under WE but would fail under N/S or IBMWEB or Mozilla? 05-26-102 16:07:29 Shouldn't be any 05-26-102 16:08:04 In order to get webExp to work we cannot use any javascript - just very simple html 05-26-102 16:08:13 Or frames. 05-26-102 16:08:30 Which I don't like anyway. :-) 05-26-102 16:08:39 Sorry I forgot - I am not planning on any frames either 05-26-102 16:08:58 Sounds OK to me. But we need to run it by Jeremy. 05-26-102 16:09:04 at least for the general (looker only) user 05-26-102 16:09:35 you cannot resize images under WE either 05-26-102 16:09:56 Just to make sure there aren't any traps that we didn't think of, or make his life harder. :-) 05-26-102 16:10:15 For changes - I could probably build entry/change screens that worked without javascript, but the performance would be so bad that it shouldn't be done 05-26-102 16:10:49 Resizing is something I do a lot. 05-26-102 16:11:17 I really dislike screens I can't resize sometimes. 05-26-102 16:11:55 In order to meet the citerion for browsers for data changers, we will have to make plugins for OS/2, Windows, Linux and FreeBSD 05-26-102 16:11:59 Does WE allow SSI? 05-26-102 16:12:14 and any other OS that we want to take input from 05-26-102 16:13:02 SSI - sever side includes - should work with any browser. They are done at the server before the stuff gets to the browser 05-26-102 16:13:55 Doug, it isn't just the OS. Within OS/2 there are WE, N/S, Mozilla, IBMWeb, and NONE of them are completely compatible with each other. 05-26-102 16:15:00 Jeremy may be able to help us out by converting some of the HTML to Server Side Includes. 05-26-102 16:15:22 Good point. Netscape plugins work with NS, Opera, and IE version 4/5. They do not work webExp, but javascript doesn't work with that anyway so it is out as an entry platform 05-26-102 16:15:24 He did it before. 05-26-102 16:16:02 I think that they will work with IBMWeb/Mozilla/NS v 6 - but I won't know for sure until I try it. 05-26-102 16:16:32 Starting with IE version 5.5 service pack something, Microsoft stopped supporting NS pluging in IE 05-26-102 16:17:01 So the plugin route will NOT work with the latest IE browsers 05-26-102 16:17:08 I've found a lot of sites that will work with NS 4.61 but not with IBMWeb and vice-versa. I don't know the reason. 05-26-102 16:17:51 We're really going to have to keep our HTML simple. 05-26-102 16:18:01 Or use SSI. 05-26-102 16:18:04 The reason for that is that IBMWeb/NS v 6/Mozilla is not backwards compatible with netscape' own implemtation of DHTML 05-26-102 16:18:30 Or require users to use certain browsers, and state what they are right up front. 05-26-102 16:19:07 I was forced into this latter position on the Web site I maintain for my church. 05-26-102 16:19:52 I put the Pastor's sermons up there and he uses a lot of indenting and outlining type of style. 05-26-102 16:19:54 I think (hope) that the three level policy of browser compatibility makes everyone happy 05-26-102 16:20:00 of as happy as everyone can be 05-26-102 16:20:21 The only way I was able to reproduce that was with HTML 4.0. 05-26-102 16:20:40 Either that or spend an hour editing each one. :-( 05-26-102 16:21:00 So I've told people they have to update their browser. 05-26-102 16:21:25 Doug, that may be the best we can do. 05-26-102 16:21:48 I would still like you to run it by Jeremy. 05-26-102 16:21:48 Because the plugin has to be compiled for 3/4 platforms, I have made all user interface with the plugin happen through HTML so that graphics calls don't have to be comverted for each platform 05-26-102 16:22:07 will-do 05-26-102 16:22:56 Doug, if you use plugins, does that mean IE users eventually won't be able to use it? 05-26-102 16:23:21 The downsides of the plugin are 1) its alot of work, 2) it somewhat limits the browser community that can access the site for entry/change 05-26-102 16:23:46 The advantages of the plugin is that it opens up some good performance stuff we can take advantage of 05-26-102 16:24:18 Walter - yes on IE. Our only alternative is to write something specific for latter versions of IE 05-26-102 16:24:30 Gotta go. My wife permitted me 1.5hrs on our joint dial-up, and she's chafing to do her own thing for awhile. 05-26-102 16:24:33 Let's not get into that. 05-26-102 16:24:52 I am hoping that we won't see a bunch of people wanting to input content to our OS/2 site that also want to use IE 05-26-102 16:24:54 We will be woing with OS/2 users (or past OS/2 users) who I am sure would be able to use Netscape or MSIE. 05-26-102 16:26:21 My work has pulled me tward the dark side, but I always keep a copy of Netscape as a second vehicle. 05-26-102 16:26:52 Let's get things working with Netscape. 05-26-102 16:27:03 The advantage of the plugin is - we can also use it seamlessly uncompress data from the server - meaning that for users that have the plugin we can compress the data at the server and uncompress it at the browser and the user will never know 05-26-102 16:27:10 Even when I'm forced to use that other OS, I still install NS. :-) 05-26-102 16:27:18 other than the fact that the page/download will be that much faster 05-26-102 16:28:12 For example - the tip of setting up netscape that currently is on the WD site is about 750k of html 05-26-102 16:28:12 Better performance. We need to take advantage of that when we can. 05-26-102 16:28:14 OK, next item. -- VOICE1 installation 05-26-102 16:28:25 When compressed it becomes about 69k 05-26-102 16:28:49 Bill, where do we stand on the Powerfail installation? 05-26-102 16:29:40 (I'm not using Powerfail as program name.) 05-26-102 16:29:47 Same as 6-7 months ago. I have not had time to look into remote power on. (All my servers come up with power) 05-26-102 16:30:29 OK, so what do we need to do to get the done? 05-26-102 16:30:39 that, even. 05-26-102 16:30:40 I did have an offer from one member to help test the power up commands, but I was not able to get them a Nic. 05-26-102 16:31:09 Do you need a specific NIC model? 05-26-102 16:31:47 Any one who knows much about WOL (Wake On Lan) would be very help full. IBM's WOL (I think) only works over the local subnet. The main standard does send commands over routable IP. 05-26-102 16:32:27 The Power can be shut down and turned back on by the APC power switch - but we need more on WOL. 05-26-102 16:33:13 What did you mean by "I was not able to get them a NIC"? 05-26-102 16:33:15 I think the message I sent you would be of some help as you and others would not have any problem calling in and geting human help. Our normal hours are 8am to 7pm M-F. 9-3 Sat and 12-4 Sun. 05-26-102 16:34:08 1) There is an APC power switch that can be controlled via a web interface. This will take power off at the power coard and bring it back up. 05-26-102 16:34:45 2) The computer stays in an Off state when power is placed back onto the power coard. WOL is needed to startup the computer. 05-26-102 16:35:27 I have gotten WOL to work using IBM's software, but WOL is only a works on the local subnet. 05-26-102 16:35:52 I hav found other software that will work over the Internet, but have not been able to get it to work. 05-26-102 16:36:00 local subnet=LAN? 05-26-102 16:36:32 Yes local subnet = Lan 05-26-102 16:36:53 local subnet = no routers. 05-26-102 16:37:18 Maybe it would be better to get a new motherboard that hada BIOS that supported power on 05-26-102 16:37:56 Not if we don't have to. 05-26-102 16:38:03 ....? The current should support that. It does have WOL. It is a matter of getting it to work. 05-26-102 16:38:08 If we had two VOICE machines, could one be used to start the other? 05-26-102 16:38:24 Two at your site that is 05-26-102 16:38:41 We would also have to learn how to do that on the new MB. 05-26-102 16:39:01 The new ATX-style MB's have a whole bunch of complications, I rather not get into just for the sake of WOL. :-) 05-26-102 16:39:30 Many just have a bios setting that well restart the machine when power is restored. 05-26-102 16:39:42 Yes, and no. The IBM software that I am talking about is Free on IBM hardware. Pricy to buy outright. I do have an old copy that I could donate - but I do not see where it would do good at this point. 05-26-102 16:39:51 If we had that capability we wouldn't need wol 05-26-102 16:40:19 No. That would do it. Automatic Power on when power is restored. That would do it. 05-26-102 16:41:10 Well, I'm willing to help out with the WOL as much as I can. 05-26-102 16:41:28 However, others might be more capable. :-) 05-26-102 16:42:21 At last attempt, we were trying to find someone who had the same motherboard and Nic, but as I think about it, it could be any MB and NIC. WOL is WOL. That is what standards is about. 05-26-102 16:42:29 All my machines support WOL (supposedly) but I haven't tried activating it yet. 05-26-102 16:42:53 If someone know -- Yes, this works, It would save me enought time that I could put an hour or two in and get it working. 05-26-102 16:43:32 Can't we just call you and tell you to throw the power switch? 05-26-102 16:44:14 I do know that it will work because the NetFinity software did work. (but the WOL code is so deep into NetFinity that I have not gotten it to work outside of NetFinity) 05-26-102 16:44:37 Yes, That is the comment I made above about the human interface and store hours. 05-26-102 16:45:32 We just need some type of voice password so not just anyone would do it. Really, My tecks would not listen to anyone who asked to reboot a computer, but if we have a procedure with a spoken password, we can get that to work. 05-26-102 16:47:20 That makes sense to me 05-26-102 16:47:27 Yes, we have gotton customers calling and asking us to reboot our mail server because they were not getting any mail. It turned out that they did not have any friends. Actually, if there is a problem with the mail server, the Techs know how to find it and if they should reboot - Or they know my voice and do what I say. 05-26-102 16:47:50 Bill, what procedure would you like to test first? 05-26-102 16:48:59 For the virbal reboot, just a short list of names and a password. My teck could then 1) do the reboot or 2) get on the phone with me or Ted and get the job done. 05-26-102 16:49:25 I would think Mark, Walter, Doug, Rat-Salid, Abel 05-26-102 16:50:46 I have a Staff meeting on Tuesday, so we could assume such knowledge/procedure would be active then. 05-26-102 16:52:41 How does telling one of your tecks to reboot the computer accomplish anything related to WOL? 05-26-102 16:53:42 What are we testing for? 05-26-102 16:53:49 It would provide a human onsite to help now. WOL has been on the burner for a long time. (it does not help for a 2 am reboot) 05-26-102 16:54:09 -- Doug side tracke me above. 05-26-102 16:54:13 Perhaps they are two different issues - if we set up a procedure with Bill's technitions we could get that in place by Tues, and then work on the WOL 05-26-102 16:54:25 Yes. 05-26-102 16:54:50 Sounds like WOL might take awhile 05-26-102 16:55:07 For WOL. Being able to turn on one of your computers from across the room would do it. 05-26-102 16:55:25 As long as we have some regular progress. 05-26-102 16:55:52 Or - as Mark says - if the BIOS allows for setting the computer up for auto-power-up 05-26-102 16:56:35 Most newer BIOS's have that feature. 05-26-102 16:56:49 WOL should only take 15 Min for someone who knows what they are doing. But gaining that knowledge could take longer. WOL did not really take off big in the market - so there is not a lot of info out on the net about it. I think Mark is right, when the Bios makers put auto on in the MB, WOL died (or went to sleep) 05-26-102 16:57:13 Bill would have to take VOICE off line to check the bios 05-26-102 16:57:33 We could also look into a Bios update on Voice, Does the new version have such an update? 05-26-102 16:58:17 You have to check the MB mfg web site for that. 05-26-102 16:58:59 You need the exact model name plus any revisions of the MB. 05-26-102 16:59:05 Bill - with the type of net idents we have, could WD and VOICE be one two separate machines? 05-26-102 16:59:25 I should have the current version - looking 05-26-102 16:59:52 Yes. 05-26-102 17:00:02 Doug, that shouldn't be a problem. Apache seems to almost treat that way now. 05-26-102 17:00:32 I do not remember the Chielda? sp was on it own also. 05-26-102 17:00:46 In fact, we've discussed getting a separate computer for WarpDoctor down the road. 05-26-102 17:01:18 In my ideal world Voice web server and stuff would be on one computer, WD web server on another, and the database on a third 05-26-102 17:01:58 Let me check my spare parts stockpile 05-26-102 17:02:00 (and the rack space.) 05-26-102 17:02:09 Computer hardware is so cheap these days, that wouldn't be a problem anyway. 05-26-102 17:02:19 Would having three machines affect you Bill? 05-26-102 17:02:38 Three would be more of a problem than two. 05-26-102 17:02:47 How so? 05-26-102 17:02:55 space 05-26-102 17:03:09 Does the size of the case matter any? 05-26-102 17:03:22 Space and the APC Power switch port. 05-26-102 17:04:09 Thinking of expanding anytime soon? 05-26-102 17:04:18 I think the web traffic can be done by one computer. The DB could even be set up as a mirror. 05-26-102 17:05:10 That would be my second choice - and certainly better than what we currently have 05-26-102 17:06:16 Oh, I've got some good news that's relevant to this topic. 05-26-102 17:06:35 Also I am operating the computers off a single monitor via a KVM switch. I do have room for as many as you want to send under my desk, but that does not have the power backup and environmental controlls. 05-26-102 17:07:54 I'm retiring as VOICE president, but I may be staying on the VOICE Board as an advisor or Director at Large. I'll know for sure in a couple of weeks. 05-26-102 17:10:25 The good part is that I'll probably still be on the VOICE board, so I'll be able to bring WD's concerns there. 05-26-102 17:12:20 1/26/00 V98W106C.exe TYAN TRINITY ATX V1.06c A0499 New Features & Fixes : Added large drive support up to 36GB 05-26-102 17:12:50 This is the bios we already have. (latest update form the Tyan site.) 05-26-102 17:13:28 But that's IDE drives. The VOICE server has SCSI 05-26-102 17:14:08 We have just one more item to consider. 05-26-102 17:14:18 Correct. The newest fix is 2 years old - and did not help us anyway. 05-26-102 17:14:59 Doug or Bill, do you know anything about the status of IBM Apache 2.0 installation? 05-26-102 17:15:32 Looks like we are still running regular Apache 05-26-102 17:15:43 Other than that I do not know 05-26-102 17:15:54 No.. I was going to ask about what luck you (warpdoc) was having. 05-26-102 17:16:10 I thought Abel said he would install 2.0, but that was a while ago. 05-26-102 17:16:19 I think Abel was doing that, but I haven't heard back from him in awhile. 05-26-102 17:16:37 I'll try contacting him again. 05-26-102 17:16:54 Does VOICE use SSL? and if so, do you know what for? 05-26-102 17:17:10 Not yet. 05-26-102 17:17:14 How can IBM Apach 2.0 be licensed? What about the GA Apache 2.0 does that use EMX? Is this a normal Software choice think or a server software choice? 05-26-102 17:18:01 SSL was set up over a year ago to support WarpStock, - but warpstock did not move at that time. (if have an update if needed on that) 05-26-102 17:18:16 It was donated to the WarpDoctor project. 05-26-102 17:18:49 If you ditch SSL the conversion to IBMApache should take about 10 min 05-26-102 17:19:06 Bill, has the W/S move been completed? 05-26-102 17:19:11 Even I could do it. 05-26-102 17:19:40 I need to move my web server off of OS/2 Powerweb (off of EMX). Any info on licensing would be appreciated. 05-26-102 17:20:15 I have to go. BBL after dinner 05-26-102 17:20:24 I do not know if SSL is really active or being used at this time. That should get cleared through Abel 05-26-102 17:20:29 Bill, I will send you an email on servers 05-26-102 17:21:10 Thanks. ( I do want to move to apache) 05-26-102 17:21:34 Both Warpstock and VOICE are working on e-Business sites, both of which will be set up on VOICE1. I assume SSL will be used for that. 05-26-102 17:21:49 working on setting up.... 05-26-102 17:22:54 looks like we are back to Abel 05-26-102 17:23:39 For the IBMApache upgrade 05-26-102 17:23:50 WarpStock has been setup in the Virtual settings for the server. I pointed the names to the same directory as the existing warpstock mirrror. Waiting for DNS changes from WarpStock to make change active. If needed, I could create a second directory for a New WarpStock site and leave the Mirror where it is. I passed this info to the WarpStock people and am awaiting a reply. 05-26-102 17:24:16 We at least need to know from Abel if we can kill any existing SSL. 05-26-102 17:25:32 As far as the Apache upgrade, let's get any additional information we need. Then I'll let you go ahead and do it. Just make sure you cc: Abel on everything. 05-26-102 17:26:00 What additional information do you need? 05-26-102 17:26:13 Or do you want to think for a day or so? 05-26-102 17:27:06 SSL is not being actively used AT THIS TIME. 05-26-102 17:27:24 In fact it probably won't be for a few months. 05-26-102 17:27:37 I wlll talk to Bill and see what we need. We will contact you and Able before we do anything 05-26-102 17:28:00 OK. Thanks. 05-26-102 17:28:28 Anyone care to adjourn the meeting? 05-26-102 17:28:36 Motion 05-26-102 17:28:42 I move 05-26-102 17:28:45 All in favour, 05-26-102 17:28:50 aye 05-26-102 17:28:52 aye 05-26-102 17:28:55 aye 05-26-102 17:28:56 aye