12-02-101 11:21:48 Consider this meeting of Warpdoctor officially called to order. 12-02-101 11:22:11 I'm taking the log. 12-02-101 11:22:14 * Sector notes before Walter asks yes 12-02-101 11:25:17 Agenda Item 3. Status Reports 12-02-101 11:25:49 a. Wilson Rook sent me a very interesting email. Wilson do you want to start? 12-02-101 11:26:12 I was able to get the UPSMonB software to work right out of the box without any problems at all. 12-02-101 11:26:39 I had tried the UPSMon2 software (which is used with Smart Signaling) 12-02-101 11:27:17 A copy of the software has been placed on the Desktop for Voice1 and the serial cable has been attached. 12-02-101 11:27:42 The software is $15 and can be purchased from BMT or direct from the author using paypal. 12-02-101 11:28:04 I have been using this software on my servers now for over a week and it is working very well. 12-02-101 11:28:35 There is still the issue about powering up the server - A WOL (Wake-on-Lan) Issue. 12-02-101 11:29:29 The purpose of the software is to send a shutdown mesage to the computer before power is lost from a low battery -- or in this case before the power is cut by the switch. 12-02-101 11:29:38 That is all. Questions? 12-02-101 11:30:04 good to hear that it works 12-02-101 11:30:08 Do we need Smart Signalling, and if so, for what? 12-02-101 11:31:23 No - Smart Signalling would be used to control the backup device. Changing settings and so on. All we need is to be able to tell the OS that it is about to turned off. 12-02-101 11:31:48 That would be my impression as well. 12-02-101 11:32:37 The benifit of this over DOC is that if TCP/IP connections could not be made - but the base os was still up, the signal to the serial port would start a normal shutdown process. 12-02-101 11:33:07 (also the smart signaling will not work with the port that Voice 1 is connected to. That is whay UPSMon2 would not work.) 12-02-101 11:34:05 It needs a PCI port, right? 12-02-101 11:34:26 Or a NIC? 12-02-101 11:34:50 I think we are on two issues here. The UPS software communicates via a com port and special APC serial cable. 12-02-101 11:35:14 The other issue that is still unresoved is the WOL which is a function of the nic in a PCI slot. 12-02-101 11:35:15 WRook: So all that is needed is that the motherboard can startup again when the power is turned back on? 12-02-101 11:36:06 OK, granted. I forget: were you able to determine if the mobo supports WOL? 12-02-101 11:36:56 The current nic dies have a WOL cable socket and the Motherboard does have a WOL cable socket. I would need to powerdown the server to connect the cable. I looked at the socket on the Nic and I do not know if the WOL cables that I have will fit the 12-02-101 11:37:06 Nic socket - It will ift the Mobo socket. 12-02-101 11:38:57 Yes MADeCSSMP - All we need not is to install the WOL cable and configure WOL to startup. 12-02-101 11:39:27 It sounds like we may have to plan some service downtime for SERVER1. 12-02-101 11:39:31 We may need to have software that will send a WOl signal to the Nic. 12-02-101 11:40:38 "service downtime"=period of time during which Server1 is offline for servicing/upgrading 12-02-101 11:41:11 My IBM intellistations power back on by them selves. I do not know if this is because there is already traffic to the nic. I do not know if a command is needed or if the nic will respond to any traffic such as a ping. 12-02-101 11:42:06 (traffic on the nic meaning traffic on the Lan segment with the Nics Mac address - an offsite ping to the IP number should also generate such traffic) 12-02-101 11:44:32 Any other opinions? 12-02-101 11:47:08 Not from me. I've never used WOL. A shame the MB doesn't just autmatically come back on when power is restored 12-02-101 11:47:25 WRook, do you have any recommendations as to where we should go next? 12-02-101 11:48:46 I guess put the cable on and see what it will do. One thing that the cable does is provide power to the Nic when the mobo is off. 12-02-101 11:49:32 I am approaching WOL from a very practical position. If it just comes back on then I don't worry any more. 12-02-101 11:51:21 OK, let's start there. You'll need to take the machine offline for awhile, right? 12-02-101 11:52:14 Only about 5 Min to install the cable. Then a number of reboots to see what happens. 12-02-101 11:53:13 (if the cable i have works. There were a number of people who thought they had a similar Nic and they were going to look and see if both ends were the saem. 12-02-101 11:53:20 WRook: when you are ready to do this can you send an announcement to submit@os2voice.org so we can let people know that the server will be down briefly 12-02-101 11:54:01 Yes, When would you like it to be done? 12-02-101 11:54:15 Let's leave the WOL till later, when we really need it. 12-02-101 11:54:29 I guess when it's convenient for you. 12-02-101 11:54:45 Can you wait til later in the week? The newsletter just went live and that tends to be our heaviest period of hits 12-02-101 11:55:41 I can try to do it next saturday or sunday prior to the meeting. Also Who would get access to the switch. I already gave the info to Abel. 12-02-101 11:56:38 I suggest WRook and Mark work this out outside the meeting, so we can get on with the rest of the agenda. 12-02-101 11:56:58 OK 12-02-101 11:57:20 Saturday is fine 12-02-101 11:57:30 BTW, WROOK, thanks for all the work you're putting in on this! 12-02-101 11:58:18 Status Reports: b: Jeremy Workman - web site 12-02-101 11:58:21 It was as much for my self and my OS/2 servers. I was glad to have a place to voice my needs and get help while providing help to others. 12-02-101 11:58:55 Well, you'be are a big help here. 12-02-101 11:59:00 I haven't anything to report this week really... I've been busy 12-02-101 11:59:30 Jeremy (Rat-Salad), do you have anything to report about the web-site? 12-02-101 11:59:51 nothing this week. 12-02-101 12:01:46 but I think it's mainly the fact that people aren't contributing.. 12-02-101 12:01:46 Ahem, I can't help but ask, do you have an idea when that information about eCS I emailed you will get posted.? :-) 12-02-101 12:02:13 ohh.. I forgot about that :/ 12-02-101 12:04:43 Status Report: c: Lalcan. 12-02-101 12:04:51 Walter, where do you want the tips to be placed? 12-02-101 12:04:59 Anyone heard from him lately? 12-02-101 12:05:27 Elabourate. 12-02-101 12:05:37 er, elaborate. 12-02-101 12:05:51 I think I got a e-mail from him not too long ago 12-02-101 12:06:42 said something about being tied up with work if I remember correctly 12-02-101 12:07:03 I'll shoot him an email and tell him we miss him. 12-02-101 12:07:58 About my tips, I guess you put them under "references" or in a new section if you think that's better. 12-02-101 12:07:59 Was the situation with Charles ever determined? 12-02-101 12:08:49 never did hear from Charles 12-02-101 12:08:50 He's effectively disappeared, afaik. Nobody's made contact or heard from him. :( 12-02-101 12:09:23 I e-mailed him a few weeks ago.. never got a reply 12-02-101 12:09:25 However, I have good news on that front! 12-02-101 12:10:07 Status Reports: d: Walter - re: Douglas Clark 12-02-101 12:12:23 Douglas Clark is writing a detailed multi-part series on DB2 in OS/2 e-Zine. So far the series has gone to 7 parts. The man knows DB2! I wrote him an email yesterday, explaining our situation, what WarpDoctor was about, and basically begging for his help. Here's what he said: 12-02-101 12:13:08 However, I think that Warpdoctor sounds like a fine idea, and I would be more than willing to help. 12-02-101 12:13:08 But you are going to have to help me get on the VOICE chat room, since I have never been on a chat room and have 12-02-101 12:13:08 no idea where to go or how to do it. Deal? 12-02-101 12:13:30 Deal 12-02-101 12:13:34 The last three lines are from him. 12-02-101 12:14:12 that shouldn't be a problem getting him here 12-02-101 12:14:27 http://www.os2voice.org/meetinginfo.html would be a good starting point. 12-02-101 12:14:36 In short we've landed a DB2 biggee!! 12-02-101 12:15:40 I've already emailed him instructions for both EZIRC and GTIRC, even telling him where he we could download them from. (A demo copy in the case of GTIRC.) 12-02-101 12:15:47 After the meeting 2-3 weeks ago I red all the articles he wrote. They are very good and I now feal more confident in being able to transfer other sql knowledge to OS/2. I also know how he feals about Chat. ... now how do I post what I just typed 12-02-101 12:17:01 this could mean rethinking the DB2 plans 12-02-101 12:17:13 How so? 12-02-101 12:17:57 well, I think different individuals have different ways of doing things 12-02-101 12:18:38 Did Charles ever actually get anything started? 12-02-101 12:18:46 That is a known fact. How do you see this group changing with the addition of Clark (and even myself) 12-02-101 12:19:00 theres a chance this guy isn't going to watch to follow Charles' set plan 12-02-101 12:19:17 Not that I am aware of, Mark. 12-02-101 12:20:07 no Charles hasn't done anything.. Abel (and Wilson?) got DB2 installed properly 12-02-101 12:21:01 If we don't have a database or plan from Charles, then it sounds like a total do over as to the approach. If there is an concensus from the past to start from that would be the best place to start now. (Abel - I just watched) 12-02-101 12:21:21 I don't know Douglas at all. Most of you seem to. Do any of you anticipate problems working with him? 12-02-101 12:21:56 that wasn't what I was saying 12-02-101 12:22:11 I only read his os2 ezine stuff 12-02-101 12:22:40 I don't mean to put words in your (or anyone's) mouth. I'm sorry if it came out that way. 12-02-101 12:22:49 longstaff is a linux fan now, he still has os/2 12-02-101 12:23:14 So - me/2 12-02-101 12:23:37 err charles, he is one of my hi ranking channel operators 12-02-101 12:23:55 hehe I don't think thats really far to say os2-007.. 12-02-101 12:23:58 fair 12-02-101 12:27:18 Mark, what do you know about Doug, if anything? 12-02-101 12:29:12 Rat-Salad, looking ahead to something I want to do, do you have eCS and Linus on the same machine? 12-02-101 12:29:36 Let's try to stick to the topic, shall we? 12-02-101 12:31:01 Something else, I want you to be aware of when Douglas first visits us is that I told him he didn't have come in as team leader. 12-02-101 12:31:21 At least not at first. 12-02-101 12:31:33 right 12-02-101 12:32:18 I told him we had several people with some experience DB2, and who would be willing to work with him. 12-02-101 12:32:48 I did that for two reasons. First--I was trying to soft-sell the position. :-) 12-02-101 12:33:34 hehehe you lied to the poor man Walter 12-02-101 12:33:42 Secondly, we still have Longstaff as team leader, at least on cyber-paper. 12-02-101 12:33:56 Well....not really. 12-02-101 12:34:50 Walter: I only know what I read on eZine 12-02-101 12:35:18 <_Digi_> Walter do you want me to see if I can get Longstaff on channel? 12-02-101 12:35:41 I'm not a diplomat or a politician, and I'll be a lot more comfortable when the "Longstaff situation" is resolved one way or another. 12-02-101 12:35:59 Digi.. when was the last time you talked to LongStaff? 12-02-101 12:36:07 <_Digi_> About a week ago 12-02-101 12:36:32 I sent him a e-mail two or three weeks ago without response 12-02-101 12:37:40 OK, Digi, I'd appreciate that. If you succeed in contacting him, ask him if is still interested in working on Warpdoctor. 12-02-101 12:38:08 Or can someone think of a better question to put to him? 12-02-101 12:39:10 To keep Walker out of hot water, I know a bit on SQL databases, DB2 SQL and I would be willing to help. 12-02-101 12:41:06 WRook, if by Walker, you mean me, thanks--that will be a big help! Your presence on the team is a real asset. 12-02-101 12:42:42 That isn't to say that I don't appreciate each and everyone of you who takes a chunk of time out of your Sunday afternoon. Each of you makes your special contribution, and I miss you when you skip a meeting. 12-02-101 12:42:53 (yest walker = Walter) 12-02-101 12:42:55 Or Sunday morning 12-02-101 12:43:12 Where do you live, Sector? 12-02-101 12:43:27 PST 12-02-101 12:43:35 Meetings starts 11:00am here 12-02-101 12:43:53 The above statement is hereby amended to "morning or afternoon" 12-02-101 12:44:17 Could be evening though too... 12-02-101 12:45:26 Next item on the Agenda: Old Business 12-02-101 12:45:50 ok is warpdoctor going to have info and support all os/2 versions and ecs ??? 12-02-101 12:46:47 This isn't strictly old business, I guess, but we should decide whether whether we are going to register UPSMonb. 12-02-101 12:48:11 Walter - I also sent you a e-mail on this subject. 12-02-101 12:53:39 WRook has emailed me suggesting the author of UPSMonb be contacted regarding donating a copy of his software, testing his software, and the possible writing an article regarding his article and the testing thereof. 12-02-101 12:54:19 I did? 12-02-101 12:54:29 Oh, Yes I did. 12-02-101 13:00:31 I think that's a good idea. Any discussion? 12-02-101 13:04:24 Since there is no other discussion, I'll contact Armin to that effect. 12-02-101 13:04:44 At least for a short period, it would get Armin Schwarz involved with Voice. If all OS/2 users took a 2 month tour of voice, we would be much larger than we are today. 12-02-101 13:04:51 i have an idea of adding all voice and os2 connect archives to the database for ftp d/ling 12-02-101 13:05:25 I also think many will stay around for more than 2 months. (Hard to say - I'm just finishing my first month now) 12-02-101 13:05:50 and an option of html or pdf format or inf and include scoug archived articles 12-02-101 13:06:39 Well, it's past four o'clock and people and leaving in droves. It would be better if you could come and present your idea next week, when more people would be here. 12-02-101 13:06:47 Can you do that? 12-02-101 13:07:05 if you have a web server 12-02-101 13:08:22 Warpdoctor server has one, but uploading is restricting. 12-02-101 13:08:47 just have the web master to keep it updated 12-02-101 13:09:13 I have one but it is down at the moment because of the @home thing. I will have it up shortly. 12-02-101 13:09:39 and have the whole database in pdf(s) so i person can d/l it and read latter 12-02-101 13:10:28 a person would have a choice of surfing the site or d/ling the pdf files 12-02-101 13:10:42 i got to chk the search engine on that site 12-02-101 13:11:25 Let's do this next week, so you can do a proper presentation to the whole group. :-) 12-02-101 13:11:37 ok