11-18-101 11:01:59 Let the Nov 18, 2001 Warpdoctor meeting come to order. 11-18-101 11:07:25 Is there anyone with a status report on his work? 11-18-101 11:08:03 I have actually been working on the WD site on and off all week 11-18-101 11:08:45 You have re-worked the menu, I believe? 11-18-101 11:09:05 people had complained about the left navigation menu taking up too much space 11-18-101 11:09:27 Silly people 11-18-101 11:09:53 the new menu should be visible without having to scroll at all 11-18-101 11:10:21 Can now... 11-18-101 11:10:39 I think it looks much better this way. 11-18-101 11:11:07 what does everyone else think? 11-18-101 11:11:20 Still a lot of white space on the right of the menu. Or is that dependent on the resolution that it is viewed at? 11-18-101 11:12:10 I have very little wsp at the right: my resolution is 1024x728. 11-18-101 11:12:27 Quite enough for the tired old eyes. 11-18-101 11:12:31 I'm at 1600x1200 11-18-101 11:13:26 I agree a lot of white space 11-18-101 11:13:37 I think what your refering to has to do with the images that make up the look of the tables 11-18-101 11:13:39 I think it is well sized. At 640x480 It does take 1/4 of the screen, and at 1600x1200 it is still readable. The page does expand to use the space at higher res. 11-18-101 11:14:40 The presentation if acceptable to good. We should move on and have effor spent on content. 11-18-101 11:14:56 I agree. 11-18-101 11:15:05 I do the best I can at making sites look good at different resolutions.. 11-18-101 11:15:35 content is a good idea 11-18-101 11:15:46 It does. I just had to rework my site because an x programmer designed it for 800x600 only 11-18-101 11:15:52 But content is king! 11-18-101 11:16:12 And Queen. 11-18-101 11:16:34 Thanks WRook. 11-18-101 11:18:34 From here on. 11-18-101 11:19:04 OLD BUSINESS 11-18-101 11:19:16 ways of conviencing people to do howtos for warpdoctor... 11-18-101 11:20:35 I think I'll talk to Vaughn Bender about doing some more stuff.. he did a good job on the using RealPlayer as a helper howto 11-18-101 11:20:44 We need to find a way to get their submissions published quickly. That will be a big encouragement. 11-18-101 11:21:25 this means we need more volunteers to do HTML coding 11-18-101 11:21:35 Ok 11-18-101 11:22:55 OK, I want to see if Douglas Clark is willing to help us out with DB2. 11-18-101 11:23:39 He wrote an article or two for Ezine on DB2 this month. 11-18-101 11:26:07 I would like to work some with how ever is doing DB2. I know nothing about db2 now but have other SQL knoledge that should transfer. I can start by reading Clark's articles. 11-18-101 11:26:09 and ill setup the dirlist script for the agendas directory as soon as I can 11-18-101 11:27:17 Did Abel get DB2 re-installed on VOICE1? 11-18-101 11:27:37 yes 11-18-101 11:27:41 Great 11-18-101 11:27:49 At this point, I'll giving the working title of "Assistant" DB2 team leader to some to be determined, until Longstaff's status can be determined. 11-18-101 11:28:08 some=someone. 11-18-101 11:28:25 Hopefully that will avoid stepping on toes. :-) 11-18-101 11:28:57 we don't want hard feelings 11-18-101 11:30:10 WRook, to fill you in on a bit of background, Longstaff is DB2 team leader, but unfortunately no one has been able to contact him recently. That's unfortunate, because his knowledge of DB2 is very extensive. 11-18-101 11:30:29 I hope he comes back to us. :-) 11-18-101 11:30:34 Thanks Walter 11-18-101 11:31:26 Is there any additional old business? 11-18-101 11:33:43 If there is no more Old Business, then let us move on to New Business: 11-18-101 11:33:51 NEW BUSINESS 11-18-101 11:33:52 Anyone heard from Lalcan on the compatible hardware list? 11-18-101 11:35:37 WRook, do you want to present the problem you emailed to me? (I was going to post it, but ran into ftp problems.) 11-18-101 11:36:20 Yes 11-18-101 11:36:44 Go ahead. 11-18-101 11:37:23 Oh...I get it now...hmmm need to take some more Ginko Biloba 11-18-101 11:37:40 Voice1's power can be controlled via a web interface. Instructions, login and password has been provided to Able. 11-18-101 11:38:21 For this to work well for voice two items are needed, First a Wake on Lan Network card - if the motherboard can support it. 11-18-101 11:38:33 Second is shutdown software. 11-18-101 11:39:04 The power can be interupted to turn of the computer, but that is done the same way as pulling the power cord out of the wall 11-18-101 11:39:27 can it be done properly remotely though 11-18-101 11:40:04 The device can send a signel to the serial port on Voice to start the shutdown. APC no longer support OS/2 11-18-101 11:40:39 What is ment by properly. If the computer is down - anything is better than nothing. By properly, I assume 11-18-101 11:41:15 you mean with a proper shutdown. At this point no. -- not that I know of. That is the point of my new business. 11-18-101 11:41:41 Does anyone know of software that can be used. I have not looked at my old APC Shutdown software. I do 11-18-101 11:42:08 There is PowerChute from APC and there is UPSMON from Armin Schwartz. I have both and use neither. 11-18-101 11:42:10 have this on my own task list. If there is anyone here that knows anything, please add it. 11-18-101 11:42:34 I have looked at UPSMON, and it does not support the cable needed. 11-18-101 11:43:26 What kind of cable? 11-18-101 11:43:26 WRook, is it possible to make the cable required by the APC unit? 11-18-101 11:43:47 APC's UPS's use two types of cables, one for smart communication and one for simple communication. It is the simple communication 940-00208 cable that needs support. 11-18-101 11:44:15 I tried UPSMON but it would not detect the master switch. 11-18-101 11:44:38 maybe you should try the other app mentioned 11-18-101 11:44:39 Have you asked the author about it? He's very helpful. 11-18-101 11:44:49 Does anyone have contact with Armin Schwartz, It is also on my list to pin out the cable and send him an email. 11-18-101 11:45:47 Yes, I'll also look at my old old APC powerchute software. (APC has removed it from their site - but I have an old copy - I think) 11-18-101 11:45:48 I have UPSMON, so I can get it--hold on. 11-18-101 11:46:25 WRook: I have a copy of PowerChute Pro that came with my BackUPS Pro 650 11-18-101 11:46:46 I send an email to Able to ask if he had the motherboard manual to see if the motherboard supports a Wake On Lan Nic. 11-18-101 11:47:43 Armin Schwartz' website addr is: http://home.att.net/~ASchw 11-18-101 11:47:44 What NIC do you recommend if it does? 11-18-101 11:47:49 I did have the oppertunity to do a remote powerdown of Voice last week. When power was resumed by the switch, the Computer stayed off. It required a physical visit to restart. 11-18-101 11:49:10 As I recall that was a problem with the BIOS. Dan Casey had bought a telephone gizmo that was supposed to allow rebooting by phone, but couldn't get it to work because the stupid BIOS wouldn't power on when power is restored. 11-18-101 11:49:33 3Com905c-TX-m. I also have some Intel management cards that came out of my IBM intellistation Pro 200, that I could donate. Keep in mind that I removed the Nics from my OS/2 computers because I wanted newer drivers. 11-18-101 11:49:42 Armin Schwartz' email address is LPAInfo@worldnet.att.net . 11-18-101 11:50:43 Yes, I looked at the BIOS and I did not see any wake on lan settings. The Wake on lan Nic has a cable that goes from the Nic to the power supply so it always has power. A third wire is able to trip the power on for the rest of the computer. 11-18-101 11:51:28 My guess is that the motherboard doesn't support it, but Abel should know. 11-18-101 11:51:33 interesting 11-18-101 11:52:30 The multiport power switch that I have sounds similar to what Dan Casey was trying to do. This system is internet inabled. The power on problem would be the same. 11-18-101 11:53:22 If we can't fix Voice1, I could still use the software solution for my other computers. (Now, I just let the system run chkdsk when it comes backup) 11-18-101 11:53:33 If that is the case, then we might need to look into a new motherboard, as remote booting is a great benefit. 11-18-101 11:53:49 I agree. 11-18-101 11:54:09 A new AMD Asus MB with wakeonlan and some other integrated stuff like SCSI 11-18-101 11:54:36 Again, I will donate an Intel Nic if others are happy with the drives available. 11-18-101 11:55:19 There is a new IntelPro driver that has fixed a longstanding problem for me. 11-18-101 11:55:42 I would like to see the SCSI and Nic seperate from the mother board. It is a lot less work to replace a Nic or SCSI than a MB. (And I guess I have some say in this because I'll be the one to do the emergancy repair if it is ever needed.) 11-18-101 11:56:44 * Sector prefers seperate as well, better long term investment 11-18-101 11:56:46 Is the current SCSI seperate? I should rember from when I added the hard drives - but I don't. 11-18-101 11:58:01 heh I'm against on-board stuff myself.. no sound, video, nic, stuff like that 11-18-101 11:58:13 I have found that multitasking with dual processors is smoother. I can not attest for long term stability. 11-18-101 11:58:30 (If we were to look at a dual Intel MB) 11-18-101 11:58:51 Or dual AMD... 11-18-101 11:59:08 Do we need a dual? 11-18-101 11:59:25 I'd think going the Intel path = more cash to put out.. marketing overhead you know? :) 11-18-101 12:00:19 Pure power with a fast AMD is very cost effective. - I have not seen any dual AMD - they are new to the market. (Yes more cash for the Dual MB also. Two 600-800 CPU's of ebay is not much) 11-18-101 12:00:34 I prefer AMD because you get better bang / buck. 11-18-101 12:01:29 I would only support a dual if I could be convinced that we need the actual processing horsepower. 11-18-101 12:01:33 That is true if you are only looking at Single. SMP does make the Intel (older cheaper ones) closer in cost. 11-18-101 12:02:03 Are there any other benifits with Dual? If one craps out will the MB keep going on the other? 11-18-101 12:03:02 like I said.. Intel products price wise are affacted by marketing over head... this is why AMD is cheap, no huge marketing.. has anyone ever seen a AMD commerial? :) 11-18-101 12:04:27 On my eCS Pro computer I can turn the second processor off on the fly. The first can not be disabled. I also have had good luck with AMD. Fine chip. Just exploring the Dual options. (Yes more cost - Which is a good reason to go single) 11-18-101 12:04:45 you can always add a nic if the integrated one fails though 11-18-101 12:04:52 I quizzed a local techie retail guy who deals in high-end stuff about the advantage of the dual boards, and he said the only the advantage was the raw increase in processing horsepower. 11-18-101 12:05:48 Which can be gotton from a 1.7GHz Athalon or what ever is the fastest AMD. I am fine with that. Did not mean to turn this into a MB replacement. 11-18-101 12:06:05 No problem. 11-18-101 12:06:10 theres no way you can convience me a on-board NIC is a good idea hehe don't know about everyone else 11-18-101 12:06:14 Athlon XP 1900 = 1.6ghz 11-18-101 12:07:03 My new system is my first foray into MB with built-in stuff. 11-18-101 12:07:14 WRook: SMP only makes sense if there is a lot of multi-threaded apps running. The biggest advantage is that desktop responsiveness is greatly improved. I've never lost a CPU, so I don't know if the system would run. 11-18-101 12:07:18 Well on my servers at work I put a second one on even with our Compag servers integrated nics for an emergency incase one fails... 11-18-101 12:07:25 On board Nic is not the best solution. It is worth the extra $ for a seperate Nic. Again I have an Intel Pro/100 that can be used. 11-18-101 12:07:45 I have 15 compaq servers with all integrated nics and never had a problem 11-18-101 12:08:14 Everything that's built-in (except IDE, floppy) has given me problems for one reason or another. 11-18-101 12:08:16 I also have one nic installed as a back up that just sits dormant till i enable it incase of a failure 11-18-101 12:08:28 Keep everything separate, I say. 11-18-101 12:08:45 Latest driver for the Intel is on hobbes. I've used builtin Pro100s for a long time. 11-18-101 12:08:56 Then you can select the best of each, and make sure there are good drivers. 11-18-101 12:09:24 I have never seen a integrated NIC fail in the last 5 years that there was integration... 11-18-101 12:09:49 I also have IBM's in Integrated nic - and never a problem. I like the option to remove it if good drivers are not available. I also think an integrated Nic on IBM or compaq with OS/2 support is less risk than an ASUS MB with an untested/unknown 11-18-101 12:10:05 but it does depend on the quality I suppose 11-18-101 12:10:18 NIC chipset. I think we have fewer options with the integrated NIC and SCSI. 11-18-101 12:10:31 untested/unknown shouldn't matter should have the option of just sticking in a NIC if need be. 11-18-101 12:11:04 An example: My board has AC97 sound with OS/2 driver on the MB CD. 11-18-101 12:11:48 Yea...you have a point 11-18-101 12:11:57 I have been there before. Less problem with OS/2. Windows still does like to find devices that have been disabled. I am also looking at KIS - the Simpler the better. 11-18-101 12:12:00 So I installed. The quality stank so badly that I pulled it off. Now I waiting till I can get a good quality separate audio board. 11-18-101 12:12:12 I am not sure what the chipset is on a ASUS MB with an integrated NIC.. 11-18-101 12:12:29 I'm shopping for a new motherboard as we speak.. looks like everything is coming with on-board AC97 11-18-101 12:12:35 If there is a Known good board with Integrated devices, OK. If we already have a seperate SCSI, the hard drive format will be safer to keep the 11-18-101 12:13:11 same chipset on the SCSI card. Yes it can be changed and still work, but the smaller the change, the lower the risk. 11-18-101 12:13:55 Onboard SCSI would raise the cost of the motherboard, no need for that better to just keep in on the current SCSI controller (assuming it doesn't now have onboard SCSI) 11-18-101 12:14:43 I believe the current system has a separate SCSI card 11-18-101 12:14:49 As long as the current SCSI controller will work reliably at higher speeds on a new MB, and not have funny problems 11-18-101 12:14:59 I've been most attracted to the EpoX 8KHA+ and the MSI K7T266 Pro2.. these are KT266A, DDR boards... price wise not bad and they have great upgradiblity.. the MSI more so (up to 3gb of RAM) 11-18-101 12:15:00 I supposed, as with most things, you should look at the specs of the SCSI vs what it's going to cost. 11-18-101 12:15:53 support Athlon XP 1900+ and beyond no doubt 11-18-101 12:16:19 NEW ASUS mb does that but it is more $$$ 11-18-101 12:16:21 I have never seen a speed issue with a PCI card. That is an older isa concern. 11-18-101 12:17:01 I have going from older systems to new faster...but it was a much older card 11-18-101 12:17:18 OK, this is all well and good. 11-18-101 12:17:56 Also - Keep in mind that I am only 400 feet away (my house) from voice 1. I am available to reboot. Now may not be the best time to replace the mother board. 11-18-101 12:18:00 But shouldn't see if we can solve the problem with the present HW first. 11-18-101 12:18:01 What MB work well with eCS 11-18-101 12:18:16 WarpedOS2: a bit prejudice when it comes to Asus are you? :) 11-18-101 12:18:21 Yes. Look at the manual to see if it supports WOL. 11-18-101 12:18:48 Does anyone know what the current MB is? 11-18-101 12:19:08 I have 700 wkstn all different Generations all running ASUS and over 5 years had only 3 MB failures...that is it 11-18-101 12:19:37 Mark, where would the invoice for VOICE1 be? 11-18-101 12:19:56 With Peter I would guess 11-18-101 12:20:32 Peter would have it. But I'm sure Abel knows what is in the machine. 11-18-101 12:21:01 We should have a detail spec posted on the website. I don't think we do though 11-18-101 12:21:18 OK, then I guess we'll have to ask Abel. 11-18-101 12:21:30 Voice1 has a notepad folder on it for communication. I would suggest that a file be created to track the configuration. I could add the Drive space info I got last week. 11-18-101 12:21:53 Mark, do you know WHEN it was purchased? 11-18-101 12:22:02 I have heard good things about Epox and specifications and performance test are good too... 11-18-101 12:22:27 Got one Epox board here, no trouble with it 11-18-101 12:22:32 Walter: That was a while ago. I can't remember. 11-18-101 12:22:54 Costs are better than Asus too.. 11-18-101 12:23:09 Then, I guess it 11-18-101 12:23:24 it's unlikely it would have WOL. 11-18-101 12:23:25 I would start at about 1 year ago. Voice1 has been here for 6 or so months and I think it was 6 MO old or so when it was moved here. 11-18-101 12:24:00 My 3 year old IBM's have WOL 11-18-101 12:24:11 I'd say 1.5+ years 11-18-101 12:24:39 not sure this has been answered but does IBM's NICs support OS/2 / eCS? 11-18-101 12:25:00 We have nail this WOL thing down. 11-18-101 12:25:13 That's our first job. 11-18-101 12:25:18 WOL is associated with the ATX power supplies. 11-18-101 12:25:19 It was purchased in July 2000 11-18-101 12:26:16 I'll go and check the MB and SCSI. Why don't you move on to any other New Bus and I'll be back in 10 Min. 11-18-101 12:27:07 As long as we are on the subject, need an external Wide SCSI caseł (I've got a brand new Antec 4 drive case sitting around doing nothing). 11-18-101 12:27:08 OK, thanks. 11-18-101 12:27:49 Not sure how accurate it is but I found reference to a "Tyan 11-18-101 12:27:49 Trinity ATX" and a "Tekram SCSI" card in some old posts by Dan. 11-18-101 12:27:53 Pardon my ignorance, but what is a ew SCSI case? 11-18-101 12:28:45 That would be a good MB too if that is what is in there Madecssmp 11-18-101 12:29:07 Here is what Dan posted: 11-18-101 12:29:08 new... 11-18-101 12:29:10 Tyan S1598S Trinity ATX VIA MVP3 Socket 7 Mainboard 11-18-101 12:29:11 AMD K62-450 CPU 11-18-101 12:29:11 MAXlite Lifetime 256 MB PC100 SDRAM DIMM 11-18-101 12:29:11 PC Power and Cooling Standard 250 ATX Power Supply 11-18-101 12:29:11 PC Power and Cooling Personal Mid Tower Case 11-18-101 12:29:12 PC Power and Cooling Z1-H Heatsink and Fan 11-18-101 12:29:14 Brass Thumbscrews for Case (FREE) 11-18-101 12:29:16 IBM Ultrastar 7200 RPM 9Gb Ultra 2 SCSI HDD 11-18-101 12:29:17 IBM Ultrastar 7200 RPM 18Gb Ultra 2 SCSI HDD 11-18-101 12:29:19 TEAC 1.44 Mb 3.5" Floppy Drive 11-18-101 12:29:21 Tekram DC390U2W Ultra 2 SCSI Controller Card 11-18-101 12:29:34 We later added a 36 and 18Gig U2 drives 11-18-101 12:30:12 Would need to upgrade the powersupply as well then... 11-18-101 12:32:12 That was what Dan reported that we purchased. I don't know what may have been changed besides adding the new drives. 11-18-101 12:32:58 Actually some of the stuff was donated like the NIC and the CDROM drive. And Mike Persell donated the WSeB copy. 11-18-101 12:45:43 As listed above Tekram SCSI DC-390u2b/2 Rev 3.2 11-18-101 12:46:17 Tyan Computer Motherboard -- Could not find model -- Above should be right. 11-18-101 12:46:46 Found a WOL1 and WOR1 connector on the motherboard. The second is for wake on Ring for modems. 11-18-101 12:47:05 So the Mother Board looks good. We can double check the Tyan Site. 11-18-101 12:47:11 thats good 11-18-101 12:48:07 The Nic is also an add on card. It has what is close to an WOL cable connection - but not quite. It may be a custom cable. The nic is a RTL8139A chipset. I vote to replace the Nic. 11-18-101 12:48:24 RealTek 11-18-101 12:48:56 FYI, the MB has 3 Memory slots, with only one filled. With today memory prices, if we down the server for a Nic, Memory could be added.. Yes RealTek on the Nic. 11-18-101 12:48:59 the RealTek I have has WOL 11-18-101 12:49:14 Do you have an extra cable? 11-18-101 12:49:29 Hmmm, how's the memory usage nowł 11-18-101 12:49:35 should... 11-18-101 12:50:20 were not using WOL so cables should be still in the box 11-18-101 12:50:44 Same here, got a few WOL cables sitting in boxes 11-18-101 12:51:14 It would be great if you could test the RealTeK WOL on your computer first prior to playing with the Server. Was there any RealTek WOL software. Check you chipset number and if it is the same, It would be good to have a copy of the CD or Disks 11-18-101 12:51:24 on hand here with the server. 11-18-101 12:52:11 the RealTek driver was recently updated I believe 11-18-101 12:52:40 I don't know if I could test it or not.. not so sure this motherboard has WOL heh 11-18-101 12:52:52 I have a WOL cable, The MB connector will fit. The Nic socket looks different. If you tell me that your cable has the same end on both ends, then what I have should also work. 11-18-101 12:54:53 WRook, I just looked at the MB manual online, and it says the WOL is only supported with an ATX 2.01 power supply. 11-18-101 12:55:11 Do you know if S1 power supply is that type? 11-18-101 12:55:17 Chrissy is digging out the box now 11-18-101 12:55:29 I can also look at other WOL cables on hand here. Any one who wants to donate a WOL cable if needed, send me and email at wrook@walkabout.org and I'll let you know if I need it. 11-18-101 12:56:03 (The above cable note is valid only with Walters Blessing.) 11-18-101 12:56:38 I did not look at the power supply. I do not think that will be an issue. ATX has been out for 3+ years. If this PS 11-18-101 12:56:52 Well, let's see what's needed first. I've got some WOL cables not in use but from a different card. 11-18-101 12:57:10 is only 12-18 months old, I do think it will be fine. I will check the PS later. 11-18-101 12:57:21 oops.. the box is empty 11-18-101 12:57:52 but I have a three pin WOL cable here 11-18-101 12:57:54 Sounds good to me. Changing a PS isn't that big a deal. 11-18-101 12:59:02 Now I think we are back to the UPS/Shutdown software. Has anyone used it with OS/2? 11-18-101 12:59:20 I have and quite successfully. 11-18-101 12:59:35 Not with your model of APC, of course. 11-18-101 13:00:18 Per the above notes, I will contact the Author of UPSMON. Again, UPSMON does not support the same APC Cable numbers supported by UPSMON. 11-18-101 13:00:35 Mine is an APC 650 and my software is UPSMONB. 11-18-101 13:01:20 Well, with mine I had to use simple communication. 11-18-101 13:01:22 I use UPSMON with smart cable for APC ...the black one 11-18-101 13:01:48 The UPS is an APC Matrix. The switch is an APC master switch using APC Cable 940-0020B. It would be using the APC "simple signeling" 11-18-101 13:02:06 Hmmm, same APC I'm using... 11-18-101 13:02:25 I am using a APC 700 11-18-101 13:03:16 Walter, I will contact the author of UPSMON. I also need this for my computers. Can I also represent mayself as doing this for 11-18-101 13:03:21 I think Armin Schwartz, author of UPSMON, would be interested in modifying his program for the APC Matrix, especiall if we helped with the development costs. :-) He's a very nice chap. 11-18-101 13:03:23 OS/2 Voice. 11-18-101 13:03:49 I have no problem with that. 11-18-101 13:04:08 Yes Walter, I said I have a small $ that I could send him. 11-18-101 13:04:10 OK. 11-18-101 13:04:17 is that USB? 11-18-101 13:04:30 * Sector could help with testing 11-18-101 13:05:30 The Matix uses the same stuff as the Smart-Ups. So anything that supports Smart-UPS should work with the matirx. The Kicker here is the master switch. 11-18-101 13:05:50 Oh k...gotcha 11-18-101 13:06:04 Haven't tried anything with my Matrix 3000 yet... 11-18-101 13:07:12 We have had a *very* productive afternoon. Thanks to all. 11-18-101 13:07:21 My NMC station is on a different OS - So my Smart Control of the Matrix and Switch have APC supported Software. 11-18-101 13:08:51 WRook, could you refresh my memory as to what additional benefits Smart Control provides? 11-18-101 13:10:21 Smart control will mesure the voltate, log events, that kind of stuff. We do not need to control the Switch, or matrix form Voice1 (I would not allow that) We just have a need to send a shutdown signel to the Serial port on Voice1 and have 11-18-101 13:10:45 Software running to hear the signel and start a proper shutdown sequance. 11-18-101 13:11:45 OK, thanks. 11-18-101 13:11:47 I beleave any traffic at the Nic will cause a power up. Otherwize we may need SW also for the remote power up. (I think that a ping to the IP nubmer will do it) 11-18-101 13:12:24 That's part of WOL, I believe. 11-18-101 13:12:49 Of course, the software has to support it. :-) 11-18-101 13:13:09 Yes, It may have a utility on the realtek software - that is why I asked for that disk if available. 11-18-101 13:13:36 Well, it's getting late. 11-18-101 13:13:52 My NetFinity software has an option to send a WOL signal, But I dont' need that on my IBM's , They just restart. 11-18-101 13:14:22 Unless there is anymore URGENT business, I suggest we postpone any further discussion until next week. 11-18-101 13:14:30 I'll get with sector and try and have an update for next week... I'll also touch base with Able. Have a good week 11-18-101 13:14:57 Thanks, will someone move for an adjournment? 11-18-101 13:15:05 Move 11-18-101 13:15:24 The meeting is hereby adjourned. 11-18-101 13:15:39 Thank you everyone for an excellent meeting!