11-04-101 14:01:42 *** Log Activated #warpdoctor (I:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\LOGS\#warpdoc.log) 11-04-101 14:01:42 *** Walter (walter.os2@cr709889-a.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com) has joined #warpdoctor [14:01:42] 11-04-101 14:01:42 *** Names on #warpdoctor: Walter @Chrissy 11-04-101 14:01:42 *** #warpdoctor Mode is (+tn ) 11-04-101 14:01:42 *** Created: Thu Nov 1 10:54:58 2001 11-04-101 14:01:58 Hi Chrissy! 11-04-101 14:02:09 Huge turnout,eh? 11-04-101 14:06:31 *** madodel (madodel@OS2-rocks2.msns.str.ptd.net) has joined #Warpdoctor [14:06:31] 11-04-101 14:08:07 *** lalcan (lalcan@cs10-7.modems.unam.mx) has joined #warpdoctor [14:08:07] 11-04-101 14:08:17 hi! 11-04-101 14:08:40 Hi 11-04-101 14:08:51 Big crowd today. 11-04-101 14:09:15 They got *two* announcements this week, so there's no excuse. 11-04-101 14:12:02 :) Walter: it's nice to have you back! 11-04-101 14:13:47 to be honest i didn't saw the agenda for today, would you mind posting it here? 11-04-101 14:16:44 http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_11042001.html 11-04-101 14:17:11 Walter have you communicated with Charles at all in the past month or so? 11-04-101 14:17:16 Starting this week I'm posting Warpdoctor agendas at http://www.warpdoctor.org/agendas/warpdoc_11042001.html 11-04-101 14:17:45 Of course, the last portion changes with the date. 11-04-101 14:18:03 Mark, no I have heard from him all week. 11-04-101 14:21:03 Is he still working on DB2? 11-04-101 14:24:57 The last I heard from him he was, but that was before Warpstock. 11-04-101 14:27:39 *** Rat-Salad (hoss@h162-039-095-160.alltel.net) has joined #WarpDoctor [14:27:39] 11-04-101 14:28:02 mmm sorry I'm late 11-04-101 14:28:09 *** #warpdoctor Mode change: +o Walter by Chrissy 11-04-101 14:28:15 *** #warpdoctor Mode change: +o lalcan by Chrissy 11-04-101 14:28:19 *** #warpdoctor Mode change: +o madodel by Chrissy 11-04-101 14:28:21 *** #warpdoctor Mode change: +o Rat-Salad by Chrissy 11-04-101 14:29:34 You should be! 11-04-101 14:29:47 Two announcements, no less. 11-04-101 14:30:07 I just have no sense of time :) 11-04-101 14:30:19 Have you heard of Relish? 11-04-101 14:30:32 yeah, Abel uses it 11-04-101 14:30:58 I lost track of time this afternoon, and then Relish started squawking at me about the meeting. 11-04-101 14:31:40 Course you have to use and program it for it to do any good. :-) 11-04-101 14:32:13 well yeah.. hehe 11-04-101 14:32:15 IAC, I highly recommend it. 11-04-101 14:33:12 OK, I guess we'll get started, and hope some more show up. 11-04-101 14:33:32 This meeting of WarpDoctor is now called to order. 11-04-101 14:33:57 *** Judy (~judymc@192.168.1.1) has joined #warpdoctor [14:33:57] 11-04-101 14:34:04 I am taking the log, thanks to an Autolog fix by Judy. 11-04-101 14:34:11 11-04-101 14:34:14 Thanks Judy. :) 11-04-101 14:34:17 np :) 11-04-101 14:34:52 did we miss much? 11-04-101 14:35:03 Shortly, I would like to post that on Warpdoctor if it's OK with Judy. 11-04-101 14:35:14 Not too much. 11-04-101 14:35:27 Just wondering what happened to Charles. No one seems to have heard from him in a while 11-04-101 14:35:52 not a peep in over a month 11-04-101 14:36:49 Last time I talked to him, he said something about facing a heavy project in the near future. But I don't remember the details. Not that he gave me too many. :-) 11-04-101 14:36:52 Walter: sure 11-04-101 14:37:17 Thanks. 11-04-101 14:38:15 I just went to undernet and msg'd Charles...we'll see if he replies 11-04-101 14:38:16 Agenda Item 3. Ceilidh. 11-04-101 14:39:19 *** #warpdoctor Mode change: +o Judy by Rat-Salad 11-04-101 14:39:31 The last few weeks have been sort of a wash between Warpstock and my hospital visit. (BTW-No one hopes I don't see the inside of a hospital for a very long time more than me!!) 11-04-101 14:41:01 *** PING (Longstaff): 87 Seconds 11-04-101 14:41:10 might be awhile before I get his reply :) 11-04-101 14:41:11 Starting tomorrow, I want to move Ceilidh to forums.warpdoctor.org, which was Abels home for it, and then I start adding additional features to our installation. 11-04-101 14:41:24 hospitals suck.. I 11-04-101 14:42:03 hmm I've never been in a hospital.. except for when I was born.. so I guess I can't honestly say they suck.. I don't know :) 11-04-101 14:42:15 my time is limited, so if we could stay on topic it would be helpful 11-04-101 14:42:29 11-04-101 14:42:42 ha.. I'm in one of my goof moods.. sorry 11-04-101 14:42:50 Any comments about Ceilidh? 11-04-101 14:43:15 only comment here is...let's get it going and open to the public 11-04-101 14:43:38 Right. 11-04-101 14:43:41 11-04-101 14:44:01 I haven't been to the Ceilidh site in awhile.. was it moved to ceilidh.os2voice.org? 11-04-101 14:44:51 Not yet. Abel originally wanted it moved to forums.os2voice.org, and that's where I was going to move it to. 11-04-101 14:45:23 yeah.. forums.os2voice.org is better 11-04-101 14:45:37 so that will require you editing some of the path statements? 11-04-101 14:46:00 Which Path statements? 11-04-101 14:46:25 didn't you have to put the paths in for your current setup? 11-04-101 14:47:13 could probably set a vhost for the directory its already installed in 11-04-101 14:47:27 just an idea 11-04-101 14:47:46 well, you set it up once so I'm confident that you can do it again :) 11-04-101 14:48:00 The paths come with the Ceilidh installation kit. They are relative to path definitions in the celidh.cfg file. I'll only have to change one or two definitions there. 11-04-101 14:49:27 I will need to ask our ISP to add an additional line to his definition file for voiceos2. 11-04-101 14:50:37 voiceos2=os2voice.org, obviously. :-) 11-04-101 14:51:10 All done with Ceilidh? 11-04-101 14:51:49 Agenda 11-04-101 14:51:52 11-04-101 14:52:13 Agenda Item 5: Jeremy--report on WarpDoctor web page. 11-04-101 14:52:28 report= report on status of 11-04-101 14:53:12 Rat-Salad, are you here? 11-04-101 14:53:16 nothing this week.. though I am explorer ways to make it look better in Mozilla based browsers since it seems more and more people are starting to use it 11-04-101 14:54:17 the technique used on the WD site doesn't always look right under the Mozilla browsers 11-04-101 14:54:25 How is a Mozilla-based browser different from Netscape? 11-04-101 14:55:19 I guess you could say that Mozilla is a re-write of Netscape 11-04-101 14:56:03 OH. I thought it was the original source on which Netscape was based. 11-04-101 14:56:28 Maybe "Source" isn't the best word. 11-04-101 14:57:27 hehe source is how I'd say it 11-04-101 14:57:45 We do need to at least make sure it is viewable under the most common OS/2 browsers. 11-04-101 14:57:53 How can it be both a source and a re-write? 11-04-101 14:58:09 Mozilla doesn't have all of the features of the newer browsers so that's like backdating 11-04-101 14:58:13 As to your second statement, I agree, of course. 11-04-101 14:58:37 everyone has Netscape so I'd go with that and leave it...just inform them of the compatibility on the site 11-04-101 14:59:45 Judy: Mozilla? That is Netscape 6.1. It is the latest. 11-04-101 14:59:47 hehe I'm just kinda obsessive about my work... 11-04-101 15:00:17 mad: sorry, you're correct...am I thinking of Opera? 11-04-101 15:00:28 Warpzilla is almost ready to be used regularly. 11-04-101 15:00:48 If there are some spots that are really lousy, fix those, but otherwise, I agree with Judy's suggestion. 11-04-101 15:00:49 not here :) 11-04-101 15:01:06 We need your talent in other places. :-) 11-04-101 15:03:06 Are there any additional comments? 11-04-101 15:03:24 I don't. 11-04-101 15:04:36 back to DB2 11-04-101 15:04:44 Anyone else have any? 11-04-101 15:04:52 Rat-Salad: have you attempted to contact Charles in email? 11-04-101 15:05:14 not yet... 11-04-101 15:05:23 but I can do so 11-04-101 15:05:31 could you do that so that we can make sure that he's still interested 11-04-101 15:05:42 ok I will 11-04-101 15:05:45 thx :) 11-04-101 15:06:09 otherwise, we need to find a replacement to finish setting it up with you 11-04-101 15:07:07 This may be a little premature, but who do we know that has the necessary knowledge of DB2? 11-04-101 15:07:49 you're right...it's premature :) 11-04-101 15:08:36 Probably:--However, I always feel better if I have a Plan B. :-) 11-04-101 15:08:40 I'm sure Charles hasn't lost interest, he's probably tied down with work 11-04-101 15:09:08 we just gotta remind ourselves that this is all volunteer 11-04-101 15:09:33 Yes, and some people have more time to volunteer than others. 11-04-101 15:10:13 OK, let's leave the subject of the Warp Doctor web site. 11-04-101 15:10:14 11-04-101 15:10:35 hmm we did already :) 11-04-101 15:10:57 Agenda Item 6:- Lalcan:- Report on status of Compatible Hardware site. 11-04-101 15:11:10 #warpdoctor lalcan H@ lalcan@cs10-7.modems.unam.mx (Leonardo Alcantara) 11-04-101 15:12:05 Lalcan, are you still here? 11-04-101 15:13:14 sorry, i'm back 11-04-101 15:13:23 :) 11-04-101 15:13:35 well, i've been trying to update the hcl with the printer stuff 11-04-101 15:13:52 Sounds like fun. :-) 11-04-101 15:14:14 but it's so much info that i've been able to update Hewlett Packard and Canon printers only... 11-04-101 15:14:36 Well, Rome wasn't built in a day. 11-04-101 15:14:48 The rest of the hcl is at the same level as before... 11-04-101 15:14:54 Just take one step at a time. 11-04-101 15:15:04 thats a good way to put it Walter 11-04-101 15:15:12 Epson's have their own drivers as well which provide better support then the OMNI 11-04-101 15:15:59 I'm beginning to realize your site will be invaluable as you get more and more done! 11-04-101 15:16:04 Madodel: do you have any link where i could download the supported printers for Epson? :) 11-04-101 15:16:49 I sent Jeremy a driver for the Cisco 340 Wireless Network card. It's not available anywhere else and I thought hosting it on Warpdoctor might be a good idea. I was told to do with it as I liked. 11-04-101 15:17:02 IBM Japan has a number of drivers (in English!) which don't exist in the OMNI set. 11-04-101 15:17:29 lalcan: They are all on DDPak I think, but I can look at them and let you know. 11-04-101 15:17:39 madodel: that will get done this week sometimes.. I had almost forgot about it. 11-04-101 15:17:42 I have the drivers on my HD. I'll see if I can get the URL for you. 11-04-101 15:18:12 There are 4 EPOMNI drivers I think. Each supports only certain models. 11-04-101 15:18:15 Maybe we could store some of the unusual drivers ... 11-04-101 15:18:43 Or get a mirror of hobbes, i've seen it in a couple of sites... 11-04-101 15:18:51 lalcan: That's what I was thinking. DDPakOnline site has been totally ruined by IBM going to Notes. 11-04-101 15:18:56 lalcan, do you want me send you the drivers from Japan? 11-04-101 15:19:26 Walter: Are those the EPOMNI drivers? Or others? 11-04-101 15:19:52 Walter: sure, but... how big are they? :) -suffering with a 56k connection- 11-04-101 15:19:53 They are the EPOMNI drivers. 11-04-101 15:19:58 OK 11-04-101 15:20:21 You could probably just send him the readmes 11-04-101 15:21:16 that could serve me as well :) 11-04-101 15:22:42 We might want to upload those drivers(the EPOMNI) to WD as well. 11-04-101 15:23:27 I think it would be a good idea to have anything that is difficult to find on WarpDocotor 11-04-101 15:23:35 err Doctor 11-04-101 15:23:52 lalcan: The complete set is 3.6 MB. They also contain support for the maintenance utilities such as Head alighnment, jet cleaning, etc. 11-04-101 15:24:21 Currently, the soundcards, nics, brand pc's and part of the printers sections are already useable 11-04-101 15:24:53 Mark:- How would the readme by itself be useful to lalcan? 11-04-101 15:25:03 Walter: i'd have a problem with my Yahoo account... would it be possible to extract the readme only? 11-04-101 15:25:24 i guess the list of supported printers is included in the readme... 11-04-101 15:25:32 Walter: It would tell him which driver goes with which printer 11-04-101 15:25:33 Yes, I have it extracted already. 11-04-101 15:26:15 EPOMNI3 Readme: 11-04-101 15:26:16 PRINTER DEVICES INCLUDED 11-04-101 15:26:17 -------------------------------- 11-04-101 15:26:17 Epson Stylus Color 660 11-04-101 15:26:17 Epson Stylus Color 760 11-04-101 15:26:17 Epson Stylus Color 860 11-04-101 15:26:17 Epson Stylus Color 1160 11-04-101 15:26:19 Epson Stylus Photo 870 11-04-101 15:26:21 Epson Stylus Photo 1270 11-04-101 15:27:58 :) more work :) ... :( jejeje, ok, i'll include it in the hcl this week, so... perhaps we could go public in a couple of weeks, how would you like it? 11-04-101 15:28:08 If an owner of an Epson Stylus Color 860 wants to get a driver, how is having that list ONLY on Warpdoctor going to help him?? 11-04-101 15:28:27 ok, i'd need an url to download the drivers... 11-04-101 15:28:48 You can't create a driver with just a Readme file! 11-04-101 15:28:48 Well the actual driver is still on DDPak I think, or we can upload the driver to WD 11-04-101 15:29:04 why not put them on the warpdoctor site and just link to them 11-04-101 15:29:09 I really don't think I'd rush the HCL out the door 11-04-101 15:29:18 Thanks, Judy. 11-04-101 15:29:42 R-S: ? 11-04-101 15:30:50 I just meant I think more than two more weeks is needed before going public with it 11-04-101 15:30:58 but thats just my opinion 11-04-101 15:31:22 mmmhh, well, the linux guys can create a driver from just anything, :) 11-04-101 15:31:25 I agree that we shouldn't rush it. 11-04-101 15:32:17 and no lalcan I mean no offense to you.. just that you should get as much as possible up on your own before a annoucement 11-04-101 15:32:37 Lalcan, let me check around on the availability of those EPOMNI4 drivers. 11-04-101 15:32:38 ok, in Christmas, perhaps :) just kidding! 11-04-101 15:33:06 epomni4? new ones, perhaps? 11-04-101 15:33:13 If we concentrate on finishing a particular area at a time, then we can bring on new areas as they are covered. 11-04-101 15:33:30 I think your form idea is really good.. perhaps eventually we could have the most complete HCL out there with the help of the sites visitors 11-04-101 15:33:30 Good idea, Mark. 11-04-101 15:33:32 I agree Mark 11-04-101 15:34:36 I think there is an EPOMNI4. I never downloaded it though as my printer is covered by the original EPOMNI 11-04-101 15:34:59 I know there is. 11-04-101 15:35:02 11-04-101 15:35:07 it's dated 10/9/01 11-04-101 15:35:24 My printer is an Epson Stylus 880 and uses that driver. 11-04-101 15:35:25 www.warpupdates.mynetcologne.de/english/hard_omni.html 11-04-101 15:35:51 oops..3/6/01 11-04-101 15:35:56 eepomni4.exe 11-04-101 15:36:15 Does he have a link? 11-04-101 15:36:31 lol..ibm 11-04-101 15:36:44 The IBM JApan FTP site has an EPOMNI5.EXE 11-04-101 15:36:50 ftp.jp.ibm.com 11-04-101 15:37:32 I was going to suggest that we upload these files as separate drivers to make it easier on those with slower modems:--However they all use files in common, which complicates things. 11-04-101 15:38:11 epomni5? wow! i'll get that one!... and the url to download it from WD would be.... 11-04-101 15:39:09 That's up to R-S. Probably should be something like http://www.warpdoctor.org/drivers/printers/epomni5.exe 11-04-101 15:40:19 if I'm not mistaken theres a printer compatiblity list in the ref lib on the WD site 11-04-101 15:40:34 err no.. thats scanners 11-04-101 15:42:08 might be a good idea to add those to the HCL.. 11-04-101 15:43:12 sure, i'll work with it this week... 11-04-101 15:45:59 http://www.warpdoctor.org/lib/info/scanner.html 11-04-101 15:47:52 lalcan: I just accessed the epomni5 driver, and you may want to think twice about dl'ing it. It's 7.6 MB! 11-04-101 15:48:18 found it, also found a great page for printers from ibm japan, this is the url: http://www-6.ibm.com/jp/pspjinfo/os2/warplist/warp_prn.html 11-04-101 15:48:28 At least wait until late until late at night. 11-04-101 15:48:41 nahh 7.6megs would only take an our on dial-up :) 11-04-101 15:48:44 good for a link... 11-04-101 15:48:45 i'll take most info right from there and save my time :) 11-04-101 15:49:05 hour 11-04-101 15:49:10 lalcan: I would also *save* that page just incase they go down...you'll still have the info :) 11-04-101 15:49:35 Or IBM decides to close that server 11-04-101 15:49:41 yep :) 11-04-101 15:49:56 ill suck it up 11-04-101 15:50:03 I'd use link description only...not copy their info... 11-04-101 15:50:04 Or they change the URL. They did that to me with the IBM Wirl\eless drivers 11-04-101 15:50:07 Is anyone nervous about depending upon links to IBM sites for critical software in a day when IBM is shrink its support for OS/2? 11-04-101 15:50:12 IBM doesn't look highly upon that :) 11-04-101 15:50:22 of course 11-04-101 15:50:23 we 11-04-101 15:50:30 screw IBM 11-04-101 15:50:32 we'd be a fool not to be concerned 11-04-101 15:50:36 :-) 11-04-101 15:50:48 hehe 11-04-101 15:51:17 how long before the epson drivers can only be obtained through Software Choice 11-04-101 15:51:25 ok, i meant just take some info from them... i mean, it's public info, right? and, by the way, i'm concerned too ... 11-04-101 15:51:50 I'm going to do away with News.. any objections? 11-04-101 15:52:06 none here 11-04-101 15:52:14 It just my opinion, but I think we should keep really important software (especially drivers) on our own server where we can be reasonably sure they won't go away one day. 11-04-101 15:52:16 it shouldn't be a secret which drivers work with which printers ... no objections here either... 11-04-101 15:53:05 just stick them in "storage" for safe keeping :) 11-04-101 15:53:19 Something like that, yes. 11-04-101 15:53:27 True, with the current cost of hard drives, it would at least be a good investment to keep as much sw as possible... 11-04-101 15:55:06 I agree Walter.. stuff like that does need to be on VOICE1.. I got paranoid when Hobbes incoming wasn't being attended.. and backed up the Hobbes archive on VOICE1 in March I believe 11-04-101 15:55:31 Good for you! 11-04-101 15:56:05 11-04-101 15:56:24 and you know.. it wouldn't be very hard to get that copy up with the current archive and keep it that way 11-04-101 15:56:28 Just for the record, we've probably slopped over into New Business. :-) 11-04-101 15:56:55 I have bacups of IBM's DDPak FTP directories, whch have some versions of files nolonger available for free 11-04-101 15:56:57 That's probably overkill. 11-04-101 15:57:35 what's over kill? 11-04-101 15:57:57 There's an awful lot of stuff in Hobbes that I would never to use. 11-04-101 15:58:11 You never know when NMSU may decide to pull the plug on hobbes. 11-04-101 15:58:45 but you never know for sure that you'll never need it, right? :) 11-04-101 15:59:04 I personally think it's overkill to spend the time to keep a running up-to-date copy of Hobbes, because there's so much useless stuff out there. 11-04-101 15:59:31 Perhaps a automatic mirror tool could do the job... 11-04-101 15:59:41 Just grab new stuff 11-04-101 15:59:44 Yeah, but don't forget the manpower involved in doing the maintenance. 11-04-101 16:00:07 Walter, it would only tag using WGET once a week to keep it up to date.. could probably even write a script so it runs once a day.. ok maybe now my imagination is going into overkill 11-04-101 16:00:14 tag=take 11-04-101 16:00:17 If we could write an auto-mirror, then I have no objection. 11-04-101 16:01:35 it's just 5GB ! if i had broadband i'd do the mirror myself :) 11-04-101 16:01:42 you know that saying.. one mans junk is another man treasure... refering to the stuff you call useless on Hobbes 11-04-101 16:02:21 How long would it to set this up? 11-04-101 16:03:04 it to=it take to 11-04-101 16:03:16 the most of it is already that.. wget can skip files that exist 11-04-101 16:03:28 that=there 11-04-101 16:05:11 Well, we are past our quitting time. :-) 11-04-101 16:05:29 Let's put this on our to-do project list. 11-04-101 16:06:06 maybe add it to the next week's agenda? 11-04-101 16:06:09 Before we go I would like make one quick announcement, for those of you who have not read the agenda. 11-04-101 16:07:50 John Edwards told me, that after he takes a week or two to recover from Warpstock, he like to help us out. I've suggested the area of converting my About articles and storing them on WarpDoctor. 11-04-101 16:08:41 great. I did see that on the agenda :-) 11-04-101 16:08:48 lalcan, we can do that, sure. 11-04-101 16:10:05 OK, I'm open to a motion for adjournment. 11-04-101 16:11:34 lets 11-04-101 16:12:07 All in favour, type "Aye" 11-04-101 16:12:12 Aye 11-04-101 16:12:16 aye hehe 11-04-101 16:12:47 Aye! 11-04-101 16:13:29 We have a majority. 11-04-101 16:13:34 Motion carried. 11-04-101 16:14:43 Meeting adjourned.