09-23-101 11:03:14 *** Log Activated #warpdoctor (E:\COMM\GTIRC\#warpdoc.log) 09-23-101 11:03:17 "Seemed" is right. 09-23-101 11:03:41 it upsets me 09-23-101 11:03:50 I know.. 09-23-101 11:04:25 did you all see the mentioning of the WD project in the eCS review on os2hq? 09-23-101 11:05:06 Rat-Salad: nope - that's all news to me 09-23-101 11:05:47 well he said that Serenity's product support wasn't great and he has hopes that WarpDoctor will fill in the gaps 09-23-101 11:06:10 he? 09-23-101 11:06:20 I thought it was interesting that he mentioned WD 09-23-101 11:06:31 * Longstaff is reconsidering meeting time considerations based on people's weekend schedules.......a weekday evening seemed more likely to present itself to ppl when they were at home and not otherwise committed 09-23-101 11:06:35 hmm Tom nam whats his lastname? 09-23-101 11:07:23 tom nadeau? or sumthin like that 09-23-101 11:07:37 yeah I think thats it 09-23-101 11:08:29 i would have to read the whole piece and see what he expects from serenity 09-23-101 11:08:57 One problem is that right now we have no one to do a presentation or something at VOICE on WarpDoctor. 09-23-101 11:09:20 We sure could use the promotion. 09-23-101 11:09:28 Walter: i presume you saw my note from this morning 09-23-101 11:09:40 Yes, I did. 09-23-101 11:10:34 hmm... it would be nice to have that publicity at WarpStock 09-23-101 11:10:52 i'd like to be there, and i'm not bothered about travelling, but this isn't a good time.........i'm still hoping tthat might still all turn around at the last minute, and of course, i'll let you know as soon as it does 09-23-101 11:11:19 unfortunately we can't make it either.. we really wanted to come 09-23-101 11:11:46 Only two of here are even coming to WS that I know of, and we are already committed over overcommitted. 09-23-101 11:11:53 ftp://24.18.219.12/pub/dtoc.gif - that screenshot from earlier this afternoon illustrates that we are working on the database installation 09-23-101 11:12:43 i'm running dtoc right now in regard to that in fact 09-23-101 11:12:45 over=or over 09-23-101 11:13:25 or over=or :-) 09-23-101 11:13:36 I'll get it right yet. 09-23-101 11:14:55 OK, I guess we can declare the meeting officially "Started" 09-23-101 11:15:03 So noted 09-23-101 11:15:12 * Longstaff seconds 09-23-101 11:15:38 Agenda Item 1: Sector, have you been taking the log from the beginning? 09-23-101 11:15:55 in the screenshot it says 1542 MB free.. you told me 154 free earlier Longstaff hehe 09-23-101 11:16:11 Would I do a thing like that¨ 09-23-101 11:16:32 OK, I've been taking the log anyway. 09-23-101 11:16:53 sorry Rat-Salad - my misread.......it's what the screen says obviously 09-23-101 11:17:11 BTW, did everyone see the Agenda? 09-23-101 11:17:23 Walter: yes, here 09-23-101 11:17:32 * Sector has seen it 09-23-101 11:17:36 hmm I don't think I got it 09-23-101 11:18:12 It was on the Meeting reminder (believe it or not) 09-23-101 11:18:38 Go and read the WarpDoctor meeting reminder. 09-23-101 11:18:42 nm I got it 09-23-101 11:18:53 * Sector is neverminding 09-23-101 11:19:21 Sector: I know, amazing isn't it. I'm going to try to be better about that. 09-23-101 11:19:56 Positively shocking 09-23-101 11:20:50 Agenda Item 3: Current status of Web Site--Rat-Salad 09-23-101 11:21:09 R-S, you're on. 09-23-101 11:21:22 I have taken care of a few requested changes 09-23-101 11:21:23 * Sector changes the channel 09-23-101 11:21:39 * Longstaff would like to compliment Rat-Salad - not only for the website, but for our db2 work.......all very professional 09-23-101 11:22:16 I was asked to remove the "Under Construction" 09-23-101 11:22:17 Sector, please explain: "changes the channel" 09-23-101 11:22:33 Oh, nothing just ignore me 09-23-101 11:22:54 you are officially ignored. 09-23-101 11:22:55 also I removed some links from me page that we do not know what they were meant for... Archives 09-23-101 11:22:57 *** Ltning (ltning@pD95140ED.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #warpdoctor [11:22:57] 09-23-101 11:23:04 hi and ho 09-23-101 11:23:08 Hi Ltning 09-23-101 11:23:17 don't count on me being very active 09-23-101 11:23:23 i'm stressed to death right now 09-23-101 11:23:33 thanks Longstaff 09-23-101 11:23:39 testing VPC/2, preparing for work tomorrow morning, etc. etc. 09-23-101 11:23:51 washing the dishes.. 09-23-101 11:23:52 ;) 09-23-101 11:24:28 hi-de-ho Ltning 09-23-101 11:25:33 R-S: anything else? 09-23-101 11:26:46 that is all for today 09-23-101 11:27:08 Thank you. Any discussion? 09-23-101 11:28:39 ? 09-23-101 11:28:56 OK, let's move on. 09-23-101 11:29:01 hehe 09-23-101 11:29:08 presumably not, as nobody seems to have any questions 09-23-101 11:29:47 Agenda Item 4: Current Status of DB2 engine--Longstaff 09-23-101 11:29:55 Longstaff, you're on. 09-23-101 11:30:15 thanx Walter 09-23-101 11:31:07 we had earlier dtoc difficulties that made it problematic for me to do remote admin from here.......i'm pleased to report that for the time being at least, these are resolved 09-23-101 11:31:58 DTOC tends to crash sometimes, and the server has to be rebooted before it will work again 09-23-101 11:32:10 i'm currently logged into the VOICE server working on creation of the sample database, which is the next step following initial db2 installation, which is successfully completed 09-23-101 11:32:11 *** eTronik (os2user@195-23-172-94.nr.ip.pt) has joined #warpdoctor [11:32:11] 09-23-101 11:32:18 meeting over yet ? 09-23-101 11:32:24 Nope 09-23-101 11:33:00 one way to avoid the problem as much as possible is logging out properly.. the siscors icon near the bottom 09-23-101 11:33:11 Rat-Salad: the dtoc window has slammed shut a coupla times today, but it lets me relogin and resumes without further hassle 09-23-101 11:33:34 didn't know that 09-23-101 11:35:40 anything else we should know? 09-23-101 11:36:24 well, i could talk a little bit technically about db2 installation and remote control software like dtoc 09-23-101 11:37:07 Please.. 09-23-101 11:37:35 db2 installation is fairly complex: it involves rebooting and locked file processing, and changes to os2.ini and config.sys - remote installation is by no means straightforward 09-23-101 11:39:02 I can see where that might cause a problem. :-) 09-23-101 11:39:10 nonwithstanding that, we seem to be getting somewhere today 09-23-101 11:39:19 Longstaff: did you ever have DTOC hanging hard on the server? I mean, either trap or total system freeze? 09-23-101 11:39:44 oh and it's a bad idea to create the sample database right away 09-23-101 11:39:55 you should apply FP3 first, unless it's v7.2 you are installing 09-23-101 11:40:10 best thing is not to create the sample database at all 09-23-101 11:40:13 as far as I know DTOC hasn't went down hard on VOICE1 09-23-101 11:40:15 what is DB2 be used for ? may I ask ? 09-23-101 11:40:22 oops 09-23-101 11:40:32 What version of DB2 are you currently using? 09-23-101 11:40:33 Ltning: i've experienced a situation where apparently dtoc hung on the server......all i could tell from here is that it wouldn't gimme a desktop reflection when i attempted to relogin 09-23-101 11:40:36 what is DB2 going to be used for in the contect of WarpDoctor ? may I ask ? 09-23-101 11:40:50 just sometimes it hangs and no one can login.. I then have to go in via ssh and reboot it before dtoc works again 09-23-101 11:41:03 ?dtoc 09-23-101 11:41:10 we're running db2 workgroup edition v 5.2 09-23-101 11:41:30 Thx 09-23-101 11:41:39 Longstaff: why such an old version?? 09-23-101 11:41:48 not even PHP will work correctly with it 09-23-101 11:41:57 DeskTop OnCall, remotely controller the system 09-23-101 11:41:59 and you will have memory allocation problems.. 09-23-101 11:42:14 ah 09-23-101 11:42:15 eTronik: our plan is to use db2 for a database backend to a warpdoctor web interface 09-23-101 11:42:20 or are you back to (sigh) websphere? 09-23-101 11:42:35 at the time i purchased 5.2 it was the latest current version 09-23-101 11:42:45 the db2 version will be updated 09-23-101 11:42:55 right Longstaff? 09-23-101 11:43:09 upgrading is a bad idea 09-23-101 11:43:32 Longstaff: besides the selection of DBMS, do we have a data model for this back-end? 09-23-101 11:43:47 *** lalcan^ (lalcan@132.248.111.118) has joined #WarpDoctor [11:43:47] 09-23-101 11:43:57 Hello lalcan^ 09-23-101 11:43:58 5.2 is still in the current fixpack window........it can be brought up at no additional cost to the latest release functionality if needed 09-23-101 11:44:06 hi! sorry to be late.. 09-23-101 11:44:23 hey lalcan^ 09-23-101 11:45:28 eTronik: not yet formally locked in - but that's the easy part.......what warpdoctor needs isn't complex, and i can put a data model together in about an hour pending the completed installation of db2 itself 09-23-101 11:45:38 Could we re-use existing open source portal infrastructure (instead of creating the whole thing from scratch) ? maintaing DB2 as repository ? 09-23-101 11:46:34 seems to me that the selection of DBMS in itself is taking a huge amount of time... 09-23-101 11:46:53 eTronik: we could, but at this point we're trending on creating our own interfaces rather than working with third-party stuff 09-23-101 11:47:14 open source = third party ?? 09-23-101 11:47:16 Longstaff: I was just thinking that it might be a good idea to download those DB2 5.2 fixpaks while they're still freely available so we'll have them when we need them. 09-23-101 11:47:21 why recreate the wheel ?? 09-23-101 11:48:09 Walter: i have the ones i know we'll need here already 09-23-101 11:48:15 I don't wanna disrupt the course of this meeting, shut me up whenever you feel appropriate !! 09-23-101 11:49:20 Longstaff: great! 09-23-101 11:49:49 eTronik: i've been very active in the linux movement for the past two years, and in the course of that i've seen a lot of opensource code........including some excellent worldclass code i'm delighted to run here 09-23-101 11:49:49 Any further discussion on DB2? 09-23-101 11:50:25 yes 09-23-101 11:50:33 please :) 09-23-101 11:50:45 OK, but please stick to the topic. 09-23-101 11:51:00 what will be accessing DB2? php ? 09-23-101 11:51:30 we're looking at netdata first 09-23-101 11:51:39 ah ok 09-23-101 11:53:03 Longstaff: can you use any additional team members? 09-23-101 11:53:14 well what i don't understand is why v5.2 is used when v7.2 is the latest available version.. 09-23-101 11:53:17 and it is NOT trivial to upgrade from 5.2 to 7.2 09-23-101 11:53:22 and 5.x is soon to go out of service.. 09-23-101 11:53:41 because LongStaff bought 5.2.. 09-23-101 11:53:56 you want to buy 7.2 for us? 09-23-101 11:54:06 Well I already said many times in the past that I can donate a v7.x licence 09-23-101 11:54:14 hehe 09-23-101 11:54:18 v7.x workgroup edition 09-23-101 11:54:29 7.1 is the original licence, but fp3 brings it up to 7.2 level 09-23-101 11:54:34 Ltning: to be blunt about it......i wrote a large check for 5.2.......i have no additional profits that require a large offset 09-23-101 11:54:54 is requirements are simple, why not continue to use 5.3 ? latest versions are better suited for gigantic databases... 09-23-101 11:55:07 *** Atheist (~Godless@62.98.144.214) has joined #warpdoctor [11:55:07] 09-23-101 11:55:15 eTronik: older versions are troublesome in many situations 09-23-101 11:55:15 5.2 sorry ! 09-23-101 11:55:15 hi all! 09-23-101 11:55:31 But can someone tell me what will be used to develop the frontend? 09-23-101 11:55:39 PHP? Websphere? Rexx? 09-23-101 11:55:46 5.2 is more than adequate for a relatively small web/db interface 09-23-101 11:56:03 Ltning: that depends on what you do... I know Telcos still running Oralce 7.3.4 when versions 9 and 10 are around... 09-23-101 11:56:12 we're looking first at netdata [i already answered that] 09-23-101 11:56:20 oh sorry :) 09-23-101 11:56:20 well 09-23-101 11:56:22 net.data is totally overkill 09-23-101 11:56:22 hmmm, database :> 09-23-101 11:56:24 much more overkill than a upgrade to v7 of db2 would be 09-23-101 11:56:58 a database is a database, 5.2 or 7.x makes no huge difference 09-23-101 11:57:06 and the upgrade to v7.x of db2 can be justified by two facts: 1 - i have a licence to give away for free, so there would be no costs involved, and 2 - serviceability is _much_ better 09-23-101 11:57:30 true 09-23-101 11:58:01 there is no significantly higher overhead with 7.2 either 09-23-101 11:58:11 I'll keep out of this one.. you all discuss it.. I'm stepping outside for a smoke hehe 09-23-101 11:58:34 but i'm more horrified about the suggestion to use net.data.. if you think 7.x is overkill for this system, then net.data is .. well .. worse :) 09-23-101 11:58:44 but immho we should use technologies with a larger base of available code, Net.Data doesn't seem to offer much in terms of ready made code... 09-23-101 11:59:02 as php for example 09-23-101 11:59:06 this is my opinion as a developer of small and large systems using different technologies.. 09-23-101 11:59:10 PHP would be a much more logical choice 09-23-101 11:59:22 Speaking as Co-ordinator, we fought this battle several months ago, and after a lengthy, exhausting discussion, came to the decision to accept Longstaff's gracious offer of DB2 WG 5.2 and upgrade later. We are going to fight that battle again. :-) 09-23-101 11:59:28 simple to code, very efficient, low time-to-target... 09-23-101 11:59:45 and lots of open code to re-use 09-23-101 11:59:52 exactly 09-23-101 11:59:58 and much easier to find people capable of working with it 09-23-101 12:00:05 Ltning: are you saying you'd consider volunteering? 09-23-101 12:00:20 Longstaff: I already volunteered long time ago, but at some point I was cut out of the loop :) 09-23-101 12:00:53 Longstaff: for PHP ? I am !! of couse I'd have to learn php on my own ! but I have 10 years development experience 09-23-101 12:00:54 Ltning, are you a member of the WarpDoctor mailing list? 09-23-101 12:01:48 Walter: I was, but for a long time I didn't get anything from it 09-23-101 12:02:49 Well, I became Co-ordinator in May, and things have changed a lot since then. Try subscribing again. :-) 09-23-101 12:03:07 hm 09-23-101 12:03:28 going through my mail 09-23-101 12:03:29 i started receiving again at some point not long ago 09-23-101 12:03:29 but i haven't been following the discussions.. 09-23-101 12:03:29 let me respond this way.......i've been a system manager for about 22 years and this is how i feel about it: it's effortless to volunteer someone else, and just as easy to volunteer and then not do anything - the team we have in place right now work well together and actually do things as well as talk 09-23-101 12:04:23 Well in that case there is no need to change anything - for now 09-23-101 12:05:04 no point touching a system - or team - that works well 09-23-101 12:05:23 otho alll new help is welcome I suppose 09-23-101 12:05:31 i'm not casting aspersions on any genuine volunteers.......we could use all the talented help we can get - but what i'm hearing right now feels more like ppl exercising their personal preferences than making a committed team effort 09-23-101 12:05:47 i just had the impression that the team and project shape was still to be ironed out.. 09-23-101 12:06:15 Longstaff: not quite :) 09-23-101 12:06:53 Then let me say something.. I wrote a lengthy mail some months ago on exactly these matters.. Since then I heard _nothing_ 09-23-101 12:06:59 Longstaff: on one side you're right, we should prove our commitment 09-23-101 12:07:06 Not very encouraging either... 09-23-101 12:07:35 But to return to the current situation - if technology is choosen _and_ there are a working team already, then there is no reason to change anything 09-23-101 12:07:55 and we can put this entire debate aside for later, when things are up and running and it's time to start thinking ahead again.. 09-23-101 12:08:03 Longstaff: on the other I really do believe that a more "open source" frienfly technology would only benefit 09-23-101 12:09:20 well, in 1999 our initiative was kinda hijacked.....i won't mention names because what i have to say about them isn't especially kind.......but they debated, and mailed, and made a lot of noise and ran us all around; and after over two years nothing at all was done 09-23-101 12:10:56 we're in a production environment right now......a pure warp production environment 09-23-101 12:11:03 Ltning, much of the actual work gets done by private emails between Longstaff (Team leader) and his individual volunteers. So you don't see it either here or in the mailing list. So volunteer if you feel you want to help out. 09-23-101 12:12:51 I think we could use more hands 09-23-101 12:13:51 OK, I think it's time to move on. 09-23-101 12:13:58 Probably. 09-23-101 12:14:19 additional talent help is welcome.....but it means working to spec and having sufficient free time to real hands-on coding 09-23-101 12:14:34 Agenda Item 5. Ceilidh discussion forum--Walter 09-23-101 12:14:44 Walter you're on. 09-23-101 12:14:49 free time to dedicate to real hands-on coding 09-23-101 12:14:51 sorry but what is Ceilidh ?? 09-23-101 12:14:53 Oops. that's me! 09-23-101 12:15:31 The word is Gaelic for group or neighbourhood. 09-23-101 12:16:01 ok 09-23-101 12:16:11 It's also a program that runs a Web-based discussion group. 09-23-101 12:16:23 Ceilidh in this context referrs to our newly-implemented news server 09-23-101 12:16:52 You can get a full description at www.lilkoi.com 09-23-101 12:16:55 discussion-server might be a better descriptive term 09-23-101 12:17:15 * Sector wouldn't call it a news server... 09-23-101 12:17:20 Longstaff: yes, that much better. It's not really a news server. 09-23-101 12:18:01 Cannot open the HTTP connection to www.lilkoi.com port 80; [Name Lookup Authoritive Answer Host not found] 09-23-101 12:18:05 web based discussion would be a little more accurate 09-23-101 12:18:09 eTronik, you can see our "Under Construction" home page at www.warpdoctor.org/ceilidh 09-23-101 12:18:23 checking out 09-23-101 12:19:44 a. First, I worked out some minor bugs with Fiddler. Fiddler is the user registration administration program. 09-23-101 12:20:47 *** Ltning has left #warpdoctor [12:20:47] 09-23-101 12:21:36 good 09-23-101 12:21:45 I had to contact Lilkoi, the manufacturer, via their support forum (which uses Ceilidh, naturally) and describe the problem. They responded quickly with a solution that worked. So I'm impressed with their Technical Support. 09-23-101 12:21:58 just let me know whewn you want me to link to the forum 09-23-101 12:23:05 R-S, sometime when you get some free time, I could you help to make our site look as pretty as their's did. Everytime I look at ours now, I'm almost ashamed. :-( 09-23-101 12:23:22 I know: what free time! 09-23-101 12:24:02 what? 09-23-101 12:24:11 Walter: by their's you mean lilkoy?? 09-23-101 12:24:17 you mean the forum or the ws site? 09-23-101 12:24:19 lilikoi 09-23-101 12:24:22 wd 09-23-101 12:24:51 forum, of course! 09-23-101 12:24:57 Walter: what's their address? i'd like to see that :-) 09-23-101 12:26:44 I'll live to look it up after this meeting and send it you. lalcan, are you a member of the WarpDoctor mailist list? 09-23-101 12:26:58 mailist=mailing 09-23-101 12:27:40 I don't think it'll be a problem applying the WD look to it 09-23-101 12:28:02 R-S, how could I ever be ashamed of your WD site? 09-23-101 12:28:13 sure i am :-) 09-23-101 12:28:18 hehe one never knows 09-23-101 12:29:00 *** Atheist has left #warpdoctor [12:29:00] 09-23-101 12:29:16 how is this thing costumized ? 09-23-101 12:29:43 this ceilidth thing.. :) 09-23-101 12:30:19 b. I've been also working with Abel on a way to move the forum to keep VOICE1 more secure, and to make it easier to replicate forums in the future. 09-23-101 12:30:56 Judy you here? 09-23-101 12:32:16 off and on :) 09-23-101 12:32:44 etronik: Basically, the forum is an organized collection of web pages. So you can customize much of it by recoding the web pages. 09-23-101 12:35:00 Judy: Abel: has told me what I need to add a new URL for the Ceilidh forum. It means contacting Walkabout. Should I just goahead with ahead with the arrangements, or do you want someone else to do that? 09-23-101 12:35:00 I see 09-23-101 12:35:23 what I need 09-23-101 12:35:37 what url do you want to use? 09-23-101 12:36:15 ceilidh1.os2voice.org 09-23-101 12:37:04 why does walkabout need to be contacted for that? 09-23-101 12:37:09 why wouldn't you just use os2voice.org/ceilidh 09-23-101 12:37:09 that saves alot of hassle 09-23-101 12:37:09 Walter: i don't see any downside in your going ahead and creating that 09-23-101 12:37:16 and you could even rename it from ceilidh to wdforum or whatever 09-23-101 12:37:44 wait a sec here... 09-23-101 12:38:11 you say we can have 5 forums right? 09-23-101 12:38:30 I think they should all fall under os2voice.org 09-23-101 12:39:12 could have one at support.os2voice.org, one at members.os2voice.org, etc. 09-23-101 12:39:50 or would that be too much trouble? 09-23-101 12:41:31 Judy, first let me correct the URL. It s/b forums.os2voice.org. Second, I'm just telling you what Abel said. The reasons for a new URL get a bit technical. If you want, I'll forward you Abel's response to my query. 09-23-101 12:41:37 Well, DNS records would need to be put in for all of those 09-23-101 12:42:33 Sector: exactly...that was the reason for my suggestion 09-23-101 12:43:01 Walter: if that's what Abel told you, then you know what you want so go ahead and contact them personally 09-23-101 12:43:37 The alternative basically is that every user who wants to use it would have to modify at least his/her TCP/IP object and CONFIG.SYS file. That doesn't make it very user friendly. 09-23-101 12:44:16 that doesn't make sense 09-23-101 12:44:19 why would they need to do that? 09-23-101 12:44:37 expecting every user to recode their client isn't good enough 09-23-101 12:46:33 It can only have the simple URL it does now because the Ceilidh files, including the configuration file, are in the \apache\cgi-bin directory for the entire server. Not only am I not especially comfortable with having it in such a sensitive location, having it set up that way allows only 1 forum. 09-23-101 12:47:24 We have to move it both to make it safer and to allow multiple forums, and then a simple URL will no longer be adeguate. 09-23-101 12:47:42 then just do what you need to do 09-23-101 12:48:26 OK, thanks. Will do. 09-23-101 12:48:50 OK, moving right long. 09-23-101 12:49:26 Agenda Item 6: Current Status of Compatible Hardware List--lalcan 09-23-101 12:49:34 lalcan, you're on. 09-23-101 12:50:00 hi! i'm here! 09-23-101 12:50:13 Well, i've been doing some updates... 09-23-101 12:50:17 not quite enough i guess :-( 09-23-101 12:50:43 i've been in a job-related travel... 09-23-101 12:51:00 but i'm updating the soundcard devices first :-) 09-23-101 12:52:04 it's not that difficult, i've updated some 15 devices in the last 30 minutes... 09-23-101 12:52:39 Ok, another hour and you can have 30 more 09-23-101 12:52:41 so i think i can move pretty fast and update a good number each week 09-23-101 12:53:09 Sec: that's right, it's very straightforward ... 09-23-101 12:54:14 but i have some points... 09-23-101 12:54:57 Please go on.. 09-23-101 12:54:57 should i include a disclaimer? 09-23-101 12:55:15 not necessary 09-23-101 12:55:35 sure? 09-23-101 12:55:42 * eTronik has set away! (auto away after idling [15 min]) [Log:ON] .gz. 09-23-101 12:56:21 lalcan: we have very little time left. Please start! 09-23-101 12:56:46 ok, ok, sorry 09-23-101 12:57:13 another one is the subdirectory, it's hcl, should it be something like wdchl or something? 09-23-101 12:58:25 What's the main page url? 09-23-101 12:58:28 when I set the account up I though hcl would be fine 09-23-101 12:59:07 well, that was just an idea... it could stay at hcl as well :-) 09-23-101 12:59:19 actually it's www.warpdoctor.org/hcl/ 09-23-101 13:00:20 I have to ask: Why isn't it chl--Compatible hardware list, instead of hcl? 09-23-101 13:00:22 it's a small matter, really, the other point is about the OS/2 references, i'm trying to avoid them for the benefit of 09-23-101 13:00:47 eComStation users who aren't aware of the OS/2 base... 09-23-101 13:01:10 there's no such thing 09-23-101 13:01:23 eCS user unaware of OS/2 09-23-101 13:01:31 there might be in the future... 09-23-101 13:01:50 in the future they will learn about OS/" sooner or late 09-23-101 13:01:53 later 09-23-101 13:02:17 it's a non-issue 09-23-101 13:02:44 lalcan: why hcl and not chl? 09-23-101 13:02:48 you could of course search&replace OS/2 for OS2/eCS 09-23-101 13:03:18 Well, in the start i suggested it could be a Hardware compatibility List, so i guess RS took it from there ... 09-23-101 13:03:30 hcl = hardware compatiblity list 09-23-101 13:03:34 Walter: hcl should stand for "harware compatibility list" which is more common than "compatible hardware list" 09-23-101 13:03:41 that was my doing not lalcan^'s 09-23-101 13:04:26 i later changed it to compatible hardware list, because that name was suggested here some couple of meetings ago... 09-23-101 13:05:03 It might make it a little easier to use if you changed it. Just think about it. 09-23-101 13:05:04 I don't know.. "Hardware Compatiblity List" was on my brain hehe 09-23-101 13:05:11 but i do prefer "hardware compatibility list" because it doesn't imply that all the devices mentioned are compatible... 09-23-101 13:05:40 I agree 09-23-101 13:05:54 and its the term more generally used 09-23-101 13:06:49 It could stay at hcl subdirectory and i could change the name and any place with compatible h.l. for Hardware Comp. List 09-23-101 13:07:52 ok, i'll change it tonight then. 09-23-101 13:08:32 whatever you decide is fine with me as far as that goes.. I can easily rename the subdir.. and I'm sure you can easily change your title 09-23-101 13:08:40 OK, on that note I'm going to ask someone to move we adjourn the meeting. 09-23-101 13:09:04 i'll second the adjournment :-) 09-23-101 13:09:09 I 09-23-101 13:09:12 * Longstaff moves to adjourn in response to Walter's request 09-23-101 13:09:23 Meeting adjourned. 09-23-101 13:09:52 As always, you're welcome to stay and chew the fat if you like. :-) 09-23-101 13:10:17 hehe :) 09-23-101 13:12:39 Longstaff: how's the sample database doing? 09-23-101 13:14:19 i think it completed.......but dtoc is giving me some grief 09-23-101 13:14:56 i logged out - see if you can check it 09-23-101 13:15:01 k 09-23-101 13:16:32 opps it took netscape down hard :) 09-23-101 13:16:44 Poor Netscape 09-23-101 13:17:27 it just won't gimme a screen here 09-23-101 13:24:13 Jer says the sample database creation dialog box is gone 09-23-101 13:24:16 *** Signoff: lalcan^ (Read error: 0 (Success)) [13:24:16] 09-23-101 13:24:16 *** Signoff: eTronik (Disconnecting) [13:24:16] 09-23-101 13:26:40 Chrissy: i believe that's indicating the process completed 09-23-101 13:27:14 I believe so 09-23-101 13:27:14 now what? :) 09-23-101 13:27:58 well, tell me when i can log back in so i can check 09-23-101 13:29:04 go ahead.. im out 09-23-101 13:29:43 k - thanx 09-23-101 13:45:47 Rat-Salad: Here's the URL of the Ceilidh test forum: http://www.lilikoi.com/rhughes/ceilidh/test/frame.html you were asking about. 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** madodel*=+madodel@OS2-rocks2.msns.str.ptd.net 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** madodel*=+madodel@OS2-rocks2.msns.str.ptd.net 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** trixer*=+kerry@coder.routerpower.net 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** trixer*=+kerry@coder.routerpower.net 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** MaNTiS*=+mantis@Destroyer.of.the.Glass-Tower.net 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** Sunny*=+sunny@soc.suntrix.com 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** trixer*=+kerry@coder.routerpower.net 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** StatServ*=+stats@stats.webbnet.org 09-23-101 14:03:56 *** USERHOST No information available 09-23-101 14:16:27 *** Walter has left #warpdoctor [14:16:27] 09-23-101 14:30:50 *** Signoff: Chrissy (irc.us.webbnet.org irc.us-east.webbnet.org) [14:30:50] 09-23-101 14:30:51 *** Signoff: Rat-Salad (irc.us.webbnet.org irc.us-east.webbnet.org) [14:30:51] 09-23-101 14:30:51 *** Signoff: madodel (irc.us.webbnet.org irc.pa2.webbnet.org) [14:30:51] 09-23-101 14:30:51 *** Signoff: Longstaff (Ping timeout) [14:30:51] 09-23-101 14:31:08 *** Chrissy (chryssie@10.0.0.4) has joined #WarpDoctor [14:31:08] 09-23-101 14:31:08 *** Rat-Salad (rs@10.0.0.3) has joined #WarpDoctor [14:31:08] 09-23-101 14:31:49 *** madodel (madodel@OS2-rocks2.msns.str.ptd.net) has joined #WarpDoctor [14:31:49] 09-23-101 14:31:49 *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +o madodel 09-23-101 14:31:57 *** Longstaff (cmc@cc1017835-a.union1.nj.home.com) has joined #warpdoctor [14:31:57] 09-23-101 14:39:15 *** Signoff: Rat-Salad (irc.us.webbnet.org irc.us-east.webbnet.org) [14:39:14] 09-23-101 14:39:15 *** Signoff: Chrissy (irc.us.webbnet.org irc.us-east.webbnet.org) [14:39:15]