09-16-101 14:06:02 i'm afraid due to the events of this last week i haven't been able to check the new forum yet, but i congratulate you, and rat and all others involved for getting it up and running 09-16-101 14:06:40 Well, let's get started. This meeting of WarpDoctor is now in session. 09-16-101 14:07:59 Agenda Item 1: Ceilidh forum 09-16-101 14:09:08 This week I was able to get the Ceilidh forum running on VOICE1 with considerable help from RAT-SALAD. 09-16-101 14:09:51 The URL is http://www.warpdoctor.org/ceilidh/ . 09-16-101 14:11:14 Walter: just so you know.......i held off on the db2 stuff for a bit - it woulda reached an unacceptable situation managerially to have too many people demanding things from rat at the same time if i didn't 09-16-101 14:13:24 I needed R-S's help in certain area to get Ceilidh going. 09-16-101 14:13:31 i find the ceilidh performance excellent! btw, will it someday be public-accesable? (sp?) 09-16-101 14:13:34 I shouldn't need his help anymore. 09-16-101 14:14:33 Walter: since the celidh implementation was simpler [than the database] and the autoannouncement programming change was so visible, i decided to proceed in the way i indicated.........last week was sickening anyway in this locality so it's kinda just as well 09-16-101 14:15:00 lalcan: you can access it now by emailing me your username, emailaddress, and full name. 09-16-101 14:15:12 In fact anyone here can. 09-16-101 14:16:34 The existing forum is fully functional. I'm working on adding some additional features to, but it works fine as it is. 09-16-101 14:17:18 However you need to be pre-registered to use it because it is for the WarpDoctor development group. 09-16-101 14:18:20 Walter: i promise you i'll check it and "sign on" as soon as feasable 09-16-101 14:26:33 Walter: well.. is it finished? -i mean, it's already quite usable but i don't know if its finished :-) 09-16-101 14:27:00 That's the next subitem on the agenda. 09-16-101 14:28:48 Any further discussion on Ceilidh or the present state of the forum? 09-16-101 14:30:23 OK, let's move on to what's in the works. 09-16-101 14:31:39 i'd like to tell you about the advance in the compatible hardware list, or add it to the agenda and talk about it later 09-16-101 14:31:50 Most current forums have the ability to email an "author" if someone replies to his/her message. 09-16-101 14:32:58 yes, that email-announce is a very nice feature! 09-16-101 14:34:01 Ceilidh also comes with this ability, but to use it you need to have SENDMAIL running in your system. I'm currently experimenting with this feature and SENDMAIL to see how hard it is for users to set up, and if it will cause problems with PMMAIL and other third-party email programs. 09-16-101 14:35:22 So it can't just use a SENDMAIL running on the serverš 09-16-101 14:35:26 You can also set up fancier colours and backgrounds for the forums without a great deal of trouble. I would like to polish up Ceilidh with these features. 09-16-101 14:36:47 Walter: That sounds good. 09-16-101 14:37:04 how hard would it be to use a color-scheme like the ones in the www.ecomstation.com site? 09-16-101 14:37:32 * Longstaff would like to congratulate rat for the kewl work getting celidh up and running and reprogramming the autoannouncement with the other foot :) 09-16-101 14:37:50 how do you mean? 09-16-101 14:37:55 Sector: I never thought of that. I suppose it's possible. Rat-Salad, what do you think? 09-16-101 14:38:07 * Longstaff would like to congratulate rat for the kewl work getting celidh up and running and reprogramming the autoannouncement with the other foot, at the same time, i mean 09-16-101 14:38:15 no don't congradulate me.. it was all Walter 09-16-101 14:38:24 I doubt most users would add SENDMAIL to there system just for that ability. 09-16-101 14:39:29 all i did was suggest you tweak the config file hehe 09-16-101 14:40:06 Sector: you're right, i don't think many users would install sendmail just to use that feature... 09-16-101 14:41:20 I figured eventually I would put my layout to it so it will look like the rest of the site 09-16-101 14:42:27 R-S: If we want to enable the email-announce feature in Ceilidh, would we start sendmail in the server or in the user's computer? 09-16-101 14:43:05 I don't know.. that sounds like a questin for Abel 09-16-101 14:43:49 Has to be server. Do you know why? 09-16-101 14:44:12 no.. I know little about it 09-16-101 14:45:33 Because several times this week I've been using this feature on two different forums, one of which was a Ceilidh support forum, and I did NOT have sendmail loaded on my computer. 09-16-101 14:45:39 erm wait a minute 09-16-101 14:45:47 I've been=I was 09-16-101 14:45:52 running on the users computer makes no sense 09-16-101 14:46:07 I would think it means sendmail running on the server 09-16-101 14:46:09 * Sector didn't think it made much 09-16-101 14:46:38 sendmail isn't exactly fun to use 09-16-101 14:46:48 I agree there too. 09-16-101 14:46:56 sendmail is a tear jerker :) 09-16-101 14:47:41 It's controlled by means of the TCP/IP Configuration (LAN) object. 09-16-101 14:48:03 btw walter.. you will be getting reminders on Wednesday nights now 09-16-101 14:48:50 theres more to it than that 09-16-101 14:48:50 Thx R-S. 09-16-101 14:49:00 It's fun to edit sendmail.cf 09-16-101 14:49:16 Sector.. exactly what I was about to point out :) 09-16-101 14:49:56 hehe probably why VOICE1 uses Weasel 09-16-101 14:50:01 Now that we've settled the SENDMAIL problem, I'll do some tests, and when I'm satisfied things are stabled, you'll see a new option on the Ceilidh home page. 09-16-101 14:50:33 ohh.. I just remembered something 09-16-101 14:50:50 What? 09-16-101 14:51:22 Abel wamted to give ceilidh it's own subdomain I think 09-16-101 14:52:11 I think he already did, but I can't remember the name. It's easy enough to move it if I know the name. 09-16-101 14:53:09 hmm I don't see how he could have already done it... he wanted to have ceilidh.os2voice.org 09-16-101 14:53:22 He had a subdomain for it when he and I were trying to work on Ceilidh together directly. 09-16-101 14:54:42 Well, we'll leave it where it is for now then. We can change it later to a subdomain if need be. 09-16-101 14:54:43 basically a sub domain (virtual) is pointed to a specific directory.. and you have had it in different places right? 09-16-101 14:55:15 theres going to be how many different forums again? 09-16-101 14:55:44 Not sure. 4 or 5 maybe. 09-16-101 14:56:30 Right now, Ceilidh is a directory in www.warpdoctor.org 09-16-101 14:57:23 right 09-16-101 14:57:25 Check that. Ceilidh is in 3 directories off warpdoctor\pub_html 09-16-101 15:02:42 Rat-Salad: Did I "hear" you right that you want to integrate Ceilidh into the Web Site? 09-16-101 15:03:51 thats what will happen if Abel doesn't have plans for a domain for the ceilidh forums 09-16-101 15:07:52 I'll do a search through my email and see if I can locate any subdomain info in there? Would a domain prevent you from linking to Warpdoctor? 09-16-101 15:08:18 ill talk to abel about that... 09-16-101 15:08:27 Thanks. 09-16-101 15:10:05 Some of the forums may be connected to Voice and not WarpDoctor, e.g. a "feedback" forum for the "Newsletter" if we have one. That of course wouldn't go through WarpDoctor. 09-16-101 15:10:19 R-S: yes I do. 09-16-101 15:11:28 OK, let's move on. 09-16-101 15:12:06 Agenda Item 2: Datatbase 09-16-101 15:12:44 thats on the to-do list I believe 09-16-101 15:13:45 LongStaff: I know I stole some of your workforce for a bit. :-( 09-16-101 15:13:56 Sorry about that. 09-16-101 15:14:08 Where do we stand now? 09-16-101 15:14:10 no.. its not your fault 09-16-101 15:15:09 actually I think part of the reason we didn't get to it this week is because of the craziness that has been going on this week 09-16-101 15:15:46 I know that hasn't helped anyone with anything. :-( 09-16-101 15:19:15 we just can't make any promises as to when db2 will be 100% ready 09-16-101 15:19:38 i beg to differ Walter - you set the tone that got all this underway, and you're doing fine hangin with it keeping it going.........only a jerk would think it takes 5 minutes 09-16-101 15:21:02 OK, thanks Longstaff. All I'm looking for at this point is a status report. 09-16-101 15:27:04 shall we move on to the next item in the agenda? 09-16-101 15:27:30 In a bit. 09-16-101 15:28:32 Longstaff: Can you tell me briefly where we stand with DB2? Also have we upgraded to a different version? 09-16-101 15:34:37 Longstaff seems to have left us, so I'll guess we'll have to move on. 09-16-101 15:35:26 Walter the standings are the same as they were last Sunday as far as I know 09-16-101 15:35:56 Rat-Salad: thanks. Are we still using v5.2? 09-16-101 15:36:38 Seems I heard some talk of being able to upgrade for free, but I don't know what became of it. 09-16-101 15:39:34 I'm also going take it that the web site status in unchanged. 09-16-101 15:40:04 So I guess we might as well move on. 09-16-101 15:40:11 yeah at the momment.. I'm getting ready to make changes to it though 09-16-101 15:40:34 I've been getting requests the past few days 09-16-101 15:40:36 Agenda Item 3. Compatible Hardware 09-16-101 15:40:54 also I'm going to try to get the news section od the site going again 09-16-101 15:41:21 Lalcan: I'm sorry there aren't more people for your report. :-( 09-16-101 15:42:28 Lalcan r u here? 09-16-101 15:42:47 I was talking to him a momment ago 09-16-101 15:43:16 ok, i'm back 09-16-101 15:43:38 You're on. 09-16-101 15:43:46 sorry :-) got lost in the moment ;) 09-16-101 15:44:04 As they say in Star Trek: Report! 09-16-101 15:44:12 so... i was telling R-S, i uploaded the most basic pages... 09-16-101 15:44:58 R-S gave me this address for it: www.warpdoctor.org/hcl/ you may try it already... 09-16-101 15:46:00 its a good start... I may help him with the intial layout with a little "table magic" 09-16-101 15:46:06 i still need to make some changes... 09-16-101 15:46:40 the request device information form is not working, and i have to find out why... 09-16-101 15:46:59 the "t" in List is missing. Otherwise 200% improvement. 09-16-101 15:47:00 But i think we can go public any day now... 09-16-101 15:48:22 sorry... can't find it.. which "list" are you referring to? :-) 09-16-101 15:49:06 "Compatible Hardware List" -- heading at the top. 09-16-101 15:49:11 I think its due to the frame size.. what resolution you use? 09-16-101 15:49:27 1024x768 09-16-101 15:49:49 mmmh... perhaps the font size? 09-16-101 15:50:55 or font name 09-16-101 15:52:27 yeah.. font could be it too 09-16-101 15:53:07 it could be goin haywire calling for a font ya ain't got 09-16-101 15:53:14 lalcan: tried it at TR8 and now the whole sentence comes into view. Only problem is that it produces major eyestrain. 09-16-101 15:53:42 maybe i should change the font ... 09-16-101 15:54:18 Hmmm, can't fit everything inš 09-16-101 15:54:24 duh......ya think so ? :) 09-16-101 15:54:46 hehe...i'll do some more tests with the frame size and the font... 09-16-101 15:55:12 another option would be to change that heading for a smaller one 09-16-101 15:55:32 something like "click here to start" 09-16-101 15:55:40 that way i could use a larger font... 09-16-101 15:56:18 Appreciate the consideration. 09-16-101 15:56:23 Hmm, what page is in questionš 09-16-101 15:56:36 hold it, "click here to start" would be too M$ like... 09-16-101 15:56:40 Not all of us are 21. heh heh 09-16-101 15:57:00 start to shutdown hehe 09-16-101 15:57:07 the main Compatible Hardware one, it's at www.warpdoctor.org/hcl/ 09-16-101 15:58:22 Hmmm, frame just needs to be a little wider 09-16-101 15:58:46 Just cuts off part of the s and the t from list... 09-16-101 15:59:16 I'm going to help him take care of that little problem 09-16-101 15:59:20 well, in fact the frame should open some slidebars when it goes out of view... 09-16-101 16:00:27 It does, but just tweaking the width a little would eliminate the need 09-16-101 16:01:16 that would be better, i want to avoid slidebars as much as possible.. 09-16-101 16:02:53 yeah it can be resized a bit from what I see 09-16-101 16:03:45 btw way I like the way you used the grey and lilac table borders for incompatible and compatible 09-16-101 16:05:15 thanks, i was looking for some visual aids to help the users... 09-16-101 16:06:53 so the first issue is the heading -and font- for the left frame, ok? i could solve that tonight... 09-16-101 16:08:27 if I remember correctly most of the site uses helvetica,arial size=2 09-16-101 16:09:59 ok, i'll see if i can use that, it would be better to have a common look :-) 09-16-101 16:11:27 oh year also I might mention that the copyright information going across the bottom is SSI 09-16-101 16:11:32 i don't know if anyone tried the input page... my yahoo mail went down :( 09-16-101 16:12:02 replace that on your pages with: 09-16-101 16:12:29 09-16-101 16:14:35 I guess I should have given you this information in the beginning.. certain parts of the site are pasted in with SSI 09-16-101 16:14:35 the copyright and the menu to the left 09-16-101 16:14:35 ok, i wrote it down, should be fixed tonight, too... btw, should that copyright be in all pages or just the main ones? 09-16-101 16:15:10 If someone would like to move we adjourn, we can do so for the record, and then you can continue this. 09-16-101 16:15:29 thats the biggest reason to use the SSI... its really cool.. say I change something in the menu or the coyright information... I can just edit one file instead of 100 files :) 09-16-101 16:16:19 sure we can ajourn.. lalcan and I can continue our chat privately and figure out what were going to do 09-16-101 16:16:31 Meeting adjourned. 09-16-101 16:16:41 SSI does have some nice uses :-) Right, it's time to adjourne... 09-16-101 16:17:06 Thanks for coming. 09-16-101 16:17:31 thanks to all for your input :-) 09-16-101 16:17:49 * Longstaff moves to adjourn 09-16-101 16:18:00 or seconds, i guess 09-16-101 16:18:43 What do you say, should we go public as soon as i fix those issues? 09-16-101 16:19:36 I say we get atleast a couple items in the sections of most interest before going pub 09-16-101 16:19:56 jajaja, i don't want to be misunderstood, should i announce to the four winds about the compatible hardware list as soon as i fix them? jeje 09-16-101 16:20:17 right! i've some ideas where i could get info...