07-04-101 19:53:02 *** Log Activated #warpdoctor (H:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\WD\#warpdoc.log)
07-04-101 19:53:35 <Walter> Hi everyone!
07-04-101 19:53:56 <Walter> Is it safe in here?
07-04-101 19:54:54 *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +o Walter  by madodel
07-04-101 19:55:01 <madodel> hello Walter
07-04-101 19:55:20 <Walter> hello, Mark
07-04-101 19:56:15 <madodel> I will probably be out for a bit in a little while, when my wife gets home.  She promised our kids I would set off some fireworks.
07-04-101 19:58:08 <Walter> If I'd thought about it in time, I would have sent a message on the list asking if you wanted to cancel or postpone the meeting because of your big bash tonight.
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07-04-101 19:59:08 <madodel> No big bash here.  Generally we are in bed by the time real fireworks start, but our kids are now at an age when they are excited by such things.
07-04-101 19:59:36 <madodel> Actually our local fireworks are on Saturday for some strange reason.
07-04-101 19:59:48 <Walter> I know what you mean.  I meant the country at large. :-)
07-04-101 20:00:17 <Walter> hello lynn
07-04-101 20:00:41 <lynn> Hello, Walter.
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07-04-101 20:03:23 <Walter> Even so, I'm not sure there are enough people here to cover the Agenda.  Is Rat-Food the same as R-S?
07-04-101 20:03:49 <madodel> I guess he should change his name to cheese
07-04-101 20:03:56 <madodel> Yes that is jeremy
07-04-101 20:05:48 <Walter> Well, I guess we'll start, but unless some more people show up it's going to be a VERY brief meeting!
07-04-101 20:06:20 <Walter> I'm taking the log.
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07-04-101 20:06:58 <Rat-Salad> hello
07-04-101 20:07:13 <Walter> Agenda Item A: This meeting is hereby called to order.
07-04-101 20:07:41 <Walter> Item B: I'm taking the log.
07-04-101 20:08:34 <Walter> Did everyone get a copy of the Agenda?
07-04-101 20:08:40 <lynn> Yes.
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07-04-101 20:08:45 <madodel> I did
07-04-101 20:09:06 <Walter> Hi Charles
07-04-101 20:09:13 <Rat-Salad> yeah
07-04-101 20:09:16 <Rat-Salad> hi Longstaff
07-04-101 20:09:23 <Walter> Good!
07-04-101 20:09:29 <Longstaff> hiya11 Rat-Salad
07-04-101 20:09:37 <Longstaff> how's it hangin
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07-04-101 20:11:47 <Walter> Item C:  Discussion of the current status of the WD Server.
07-04-101 20:11:55 *Rat-Salad* I just had a peek at your ftp log
07-04-101 20:12:15 *Rat-Salad* you should try ftping to os2voice.org instead of warpdoctor.org
07-04-101 20:12:42 <Walter> Thanks, RS, I'll give it a try!
07-04-101 20:13:09 <Longstaff> hiya11 Walter
07-04-101 20:13:21 <madodel> I spoke with Abel today.  He is just really busy, working 6 days a week, and he and Wilson have tried to schedule a day for the upgrade but just haven't been able to.  I have emailed Wilson, and will setup a day, hopefully next week to have the new drives installed.
07-04-101 20:13:22 <Walter> Charles, are you ready to begin  the discussion now, or would you like a few more minutes?
07-04-101 20:13:44 <Rat-Salad> Abel maybe in; in a momment...
07-04-101 20:13:56 <madodel> I have to go out for a few minutes.  BB in a little bit.
07-04-101 20:15:53 <Walter> Let's go to Item D: to give Charles a little time.  Jeremy do you have a status report by any  chance?
07-04-101 20:16:21 <Rat-Salad> slight changes this week...
07-04-101 20:17:03 <Longstaff> well, maybe it would help if i cave the discussion a preface:  we're at a point where our work in the development of the warpdoctor database and web interface is ready to begin, or will be as soon as the necessary software is installed on the server and configured
07-04-101 20:17:07 <Rat-Salad> updated the progress report page.. seperated the old enteries from the new.. and I'm working on the survey to find out what would be a better time to have the meetings
07-04-101 20:18:32 <Rat-Salad> I made a really big mistake... heh I looked at the site in the latest Warpzilla...now im depressed
07-04-101 20:19:13 <Walter> *Rat-Salad* I've forgotten the directory that contains the survey.  Can you enlighten me?
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07-04-101 20:19:37 *Rat-Salad* http://www.warpdoctor.org/survey.html
07-04-101 20:19:41 <Hoss> g'evening.
07-04-101 20:19:48 <Longstaff> hiya11 Hoss
07-04-101 20:19:49 <Rat-Salad> hey Abel
07-04-101 20:19:57 <Walter> *Rat-Salad* Thanks!
07-04-101 20:20:02 <lynn> Hi, Abel.
07-04-101 20:20:57 <Rat-Salad> so... can go back to item C now?
07-04-101 20:21:05 <Hoss> Don't let me interrupt. I need to catch up so I'll watch :-)
07-04-101 20:21:26 <Walter> I take it WZ doesn't support your survey form. <g>
07-04-101 20:21:43 * Hoss just fixed walter's access to voice1. ;-)
07-04-101 20:22:05 <Rat-Salad> now.. my design doesn't look too hot in WarpZilla
07-04-101 20:22:29 <Walter> Yeh!!!!!!!!  Thanks Hoss!
07-04-101 20:22:43 <Longstaff> Hoss: yer timing was almost absolutely flawless.....i just finished a comment regarding installing software on the warpdoctor server
07-04-101 20:24:18 <Hoss> I hope our onsite man can get to adding the hard drives. that item was delayed primarily because I have been pre-occupied with other issues.
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07-04-101 20:24:43 <Judy> g'evening
07-04-101 20:25:02 <Walter> Oops!   I better run and hide!
07-04-101 20:25:11 <Judy> no need :)
07-04-101 20:25:24 <Longstaff> it's been busy and distracting here too.........has the drive in question been purchased and delivered?
07-04-101 20:25:52 <Hoss> the HW is onsite.
07-04-101 20:25:58 <madodel> Two drives have been purchased and delivered
07-04-101 20:27:19 <Longstaff> kewl - so it's a matter now of opening up the chassis and putting'em in place
07-04-101 20:27:41 <Hoss> and decising how to "divvy" them up.
07-04-101 20:27:47 <Hoss> deciding even.
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07-04-101 20:28:57 <Longstaff> hmmmmm - maybe we should have a mini debate on partition allocation, if it would help to get that question out of the way
07-04-101 20:29:04 <Hoss> one issue is which to make HPFS and which to make JFS
07-04-101 20:29:06 <Rat-Salad> hehe
07-04-101 20:29:13 <Hoss> along with sizes...
07-04-101 20:29:30 <Hoss> and as Longstaff suggessted partitions..
07-04-101 20:29:35 <Judy> I highly doubt that the warpstock team needs to wast time on deciding how to configure the server
07-04-101 20:29:57 <Hoss> u mean warpdoc. ;-)
07-04-101 20:29:58 <Longstaff> hiya11 Judy
07-04-101 20:29:59 <Hoss> ??
07-04-101 20:30:05 <Judy> hi Longstaff
07-04-101 20:30:15 <Judy> oops...yep, WarpDoctor :)
07-04-101 20:30:41 <Judy> guess I was just used to all of the hassle when I was involved in warpstock :)
07-04-101 20:30:59 <Hoss> It is important enopugh to make sure we do it right. debating it and figuring it out are the time eaters.
07-04-101 20:31:15 * Longstaff was thinking it might be better to take a few minutes and get the question resolved rather than let it become an obstacle
07-04-101 20:31:26 <Hoss> I think madodel and wilson and I have the matter under control.
07-04-101 20:31:27 <madodel> I strongly suggest that no applications be run from a JFS partition.  Just data.  everyone who has reported problems with JFS seems to be running applications, rather then using it as a pure data partition. I've had no problems with JFS for two years now, but I only put data on it.
07-04-101 20:32:21 <Hoss> ne issue is local backup....
07-04-101 20:32:44 <Hoss> What specs do we need to meet to enable that important detail.
07-04-101 20:33:03 <madodel> and since there are issues with which version of JFS is used, which CHKDSK, I'm really leary of using JFS unless there is a really good reason (partition > 64Gig)
07-04-101 20:33:30 <Hoss> Ith ink madodel, willson and I can resolve any of those issues without involving this project team.
07-04-101 20:33:42 <madodel> Sounds good to me.
07-04-101 20:33:42 <Longstaff> it sounds we're going in the direction of choosing HPFS
07-04-101 20:33:45 <Hoss> Well right now d: and e: are JFS.
07-04-101 20:34:10 <Hoss> D: becuase that's where NS, JAVA, and tcpip4.3 are located.
07-04-101 20:34:36 <Hoss> that is purposefull and should stay that way.
07-04-101 20:35:12 <Walter> What else is going on the new drive besides WD?
07-04-101 20:35:12 <Hoss> e: is JFS just because that's what was decided when we did the original install.
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07-04-101 20:35:39 <Longstaff> sumthin i remember about domino:  it had to be installed itself on the partition being shared with www - dunno if the warp version of apache has any such restriction
07-04-101 20:35:40 <Hoss> mail files
07-04-101 20:36:09 <Hoss> Apache has nore striction like that that I am aware of.
07-04-101 20:36:28 <Hoss> Walter, primarily mail files and static backup data.
07-04-101 20:36:45 <Walter> OK, thanks.
07-04-101 20:37:40 <Longstaff> walter - db2, netview and apache are the application packages we've decided upon for the warpdoctor database
07-04-101 20:38:07 <Hoss> WarpDoctor stuff I presume to be very_ busy "stuff". I expect those should probably be on HPFS partitions.
07-04-101 20:38:38 <Hoss> possibly keeping the DB files on JFS??? not the application.... just the data...
07-04-101 20:39:02 <madodel> If that is doable it would make sense
07-04-101 20:39:14 <Hoss> do e expect any file size +2gb?
07-04-101 20:39:30 <Hoss> do e= do we;
07-04-101 20:39:32 <madodel> good question
07-04-101 20:40:06 <Rat-Salad> hmm doesn't sound very realistic to me
07-04-101 20:40:19 <Longstaff> db2 loaded and running actually pretty much just sits there in the background unless a user-directed process is active at that moment
07-04-101 20:40:53 <madodel> Longstaff: But can DB2 the application be on a separate volume then DB2 data?
07-04-101 20:41:28 <Hoss> yes. I have done that here...
07-04-101 20:43:41 <Longstaff> madodel: yes, but it's an added configuration step, and arguably not worth it
07-04-101 20:44:14 <Longstaff> size of the warpdoctor table itself is negligible
07-04-101 20:44:31 <Hoss> even when fillled Longstaff?
07-04-101 20:44:59 <Longstaff> yes Hoss
07-04-101 20:46:06 <lynn> DB2 supports fully distributed databases with no requirement or strict association of volumes and applications.
07-04-101 20:47:02 <Longstaff> it gets a little geeky to explain, but if \content\0001.html is the content of the memo field of the first record, than that's only like 15 bytes
07-04-101 20:47:02 <lynn> They don't even have to be on the same system--distributed databases.
07-04-101 20:48:01 <Longstaff> that's right lynn - but you do have to conf your tablespaces in db2 control center that way
07-04-101 20:49:07 <lynn> You have to configure them the same way regardless of whether they are on the same volume or not.
07-04-101 20:51:44 <Longstaff> i was thinking of using default tablespace.....based on the small size of the table involved
07-04-101 20:52:04 <madodel> So if we go with an HPFS volume for WD, it shouldn't matter if we put DB2 and it's data together.
07-04-101 20:52:46 <madodel> Is there any advantage then to putting DB2 on a JFS volume?  Assuming the tables are less then 2 Gig
07-04-101 20:53:08 <Longstaff> it's certainly something whoever is working on the create database sequence in control center needs to be aware of
07-04-101 20:54:25 <Longstaff> madodel:  the advantage for us is kinda theoretical......hotswapping for a large business otoh could be a really useful feature
07-04-101 20:54:36 <lynn> Might I ask how many tables do you have in mind?
07-04-101 20:55:24 * Longstaff has been proceeding with the broad understanding that a single table would be plenty
07-04-101 20:55:44 <lynn> I would agree, but how did it end up small?
07-04-101 20:57:41 <lynn> Are we not actually storing the documents in the rows of the table?
07-04-101 20:58:33 <Longstaff> hehehe - it doesn't exist at the moment, but even if it did it's still negligible in terms of hdd space requirements
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07-04-101 20:59:46 <madodel> Can things like INF files be stored in DB2?
07-04-101 20:59:49 <Walter> Hello Chip
07-04-101 20:59:56 <Longstaff> lynn:  the content field [blob type] would store say:  \content\0001/html for the contents of the first record
07-04-101 20:59:56 <Chip> Hi everyone
07-04-101 21:00:23 <lynn> Hi, Chip.
07-04-101 21:00:29 <Longstaff> madodel:  that's the really kewl part of using a blob......yes
07-04-101 21:00:50 <Longstaff> hiya11 Chip
07-04-101 21:01:19 <madodel> But you wouldn't be able to view it in a browser though (INF that is)
07-04-101 21:01:24 <lynn> I understand that it is a small row.  If you have one row per document, even html documents, it starts to add up quickly regardless of any threat to HDD space.
07-04-101 21:02:25 <Longstaff> madodel:  that's correct...database could deal with it, but the user would have to download it before it could be displayed
07-04-101 21:03:20 <Walter> I think Lynn's point warrants serious consideration.
07-04-101 21:03:30 <lynn> Wait a minute, if we recognize it as an .inf file, why can we not display its text form from the website.
07-04-101 21:05:39 <Longstaff> mime type inf?
07-04-101 21:06:12 <Walter> Charles: In DB2 [blob] fields, are the contents stored in a file outside the DB2 file itself?
07-04-101 21:06:13 <lynn> I'm not saying what means we would use, but does Mark feel such capability useful?
07-04-101 21:06:22 <Longstaff> Hoss:  what are the physical sizes of the new HDDs
07-04-101 21:06:38 <lynn> If Mark feels downloading is sufficient, then go with that.
07-04-101 21:06:54 <Hoss> 18GB is one of them
07-04-101 21:06:57 <madodel> lynn: I have no idea, I'm just asking a question
07-04-101 21:07:21 <Judy> 36 Gig is the other
07-04-101 21:07:46 <lynn> Mark:  You have an option.  What would you choose?  It isn't something you have to decide now.
07-04-101 21:07:58 <Longstaff> Walter:  i'm suggesting a separate \content directory.....with a pointer to it in the blob field - so yes and no :)
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07-04-101 21:08:56 <lynn> To be clear then, you are not suggesting storing the documents as rows in the database?
07-04-101 21:09:11 <madodel> lynn: there is no INF viewer plugin for Netscape.  I have no idea what DB2's text streaming capabilities are.  That's why I asked.
07-04-101 21:09:18 <lynn> You want to store them in a separate content directory.
07-04-101 21:10:09 <Walter> Obviously we have the right man for DB team leader. :-)
07-04-101 21:10:52 <Longstaff> lynn - i feel it would be a real burden for the content admin ppl to store raw html in a varchar without any file at all........www is file centric by definition so why not do it the easy way
07-04-101 21:11:48 <lynn> Not my argument.  I'm not making the decision.  I'm simply trying to understand the decision you have made.
07-04-101 21:12:13 <madodel> And those documents are still fully searchable in DB2, even though they are stored outside of it?
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07-04-101 21:13:09 <Longstaff> lynn: i'll be happy to provide opensource of the data model as soon as the table exists
07-04-101 21:13:51 <Walter> Tempus Fugit, so we should probably move on to Agenda Item C2:
07-04-101 21:14:03 <lynn> Move on.
07-04-101 21:14:43 <Walter> Charles, do have any additional infformation for such such as volunteers needed or collected?
07-04-101 21:15:44 <Walter> Charles?
07-04-101 21:15:53 <Walter> Or are you done?
07-04-101 21:16:02 <Longstaff> well - how does Rat-Salad feel about managing content
07-04-101 21:16:33 <Rat-Salad> I hate to say it.. but I have no DB experience
07-04-101 21:16:45 <Longstaff> that's my only open question regarding that agenda item at this time
07-04-101 21:17:24 <lynn> Why do you think you need DB experience?
07-04-101 21:17:25 <Longstaff> Rat-Salad:  could we work together on that?  the fact that it's a database isn't where the work is involved
07-04-101 21:18:01 <Rat-Salad> of course, I'm willing to learn
07-04-101 21:18:29 <Rat-Salad> btw guys... I need a list of acceptable time periods to have WD meetings for the survey :)
07-04-101 21:18:35 <Longstaff> the work is substantially editorial, and involved a fair bit of html, which as i've already noted, you're doing an absolutely splendid job with
07-04-101 21:18:54 <Walter> Also, a number of people showed interest in helping you--Charles--out  in the previous log.  You should probably contact each of them via email during the next week.
07-04-101 21:19:43 <Walter> Many of them expressed interest in working in DB2.
07-04-101 21:20:03 <Longstaff> Walter:  i'd like that - as soon as the database exists an announcement would be a great idea
07-04-101 21:20:34 <Walter> OK.
07-04-101 21:20:51 <Walter> We should both make a note of that. :-)
07-04-101 21:21:30 <lynn> Does the database exist as soon as the table definition does?
07-04-101 21:22:38 <Longstaff> no lynn - on a technicality, but, ahhhh i think walter indicated we'd like to move on
07-04-101 21:22:57 <Walter> Agenda Item D: Status report from Jeremy re. Web Site
07-04-101 21:23:29 <Walter> Jeremy, do you have anything further you wish to add?
07-04-101 21:24:31 <Rat-Salad> I think thats all. just need that info to complete the survey
07-04-101 21:25:03 <Walter> OK, I'll take a look at it again and give you some feedback.
07-04-101 21:25:44 <Longstaff> Rat-Salad: looking ahead, if we get the volunteerd mentioned a while ago, that means you'd be involved in coordinating with them
07-04-101 21:25:57 <Longstaff> volunteers i mean
07-04-101 21:26:26 <Rat-Salad> yeah
07-04-101 21:26:46 <lynn> This is in respect to content management?
07-04-101 21:27:11 <Longstaff> we can put more of a framework into place for that when the time comes
07-04-101 21:27:26 <Walter> Item E: Status report on Ceilidh (http://lilikoi.com/os2_frame.html)
07-04-101 21:27:54 <Longstaff> Walter:  i had a look at that.......very interesting looking piece of sw
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07-04-101 21:28:34 <Longstaff> wb7 Chrissy
07-04-101 21:28:41 <Chrissy> thanks :)
07-04-101 21:29:39 <Walter>     1. Unfortunately, I've fallen behind on that.  I've had a difficult weekend healthwise, and so haven't been very efficient. :-(  I haven't gotten the memo out yet.
07-04-101 21:30:14 <Rat-Salad> hope you feel better Walter :/
07-04-101 21:30:28 <Walter> Me too!!
07-04-101 21:30:59 <Longstaff> oh yeah, please don't croak  :)
07-04-101 21:32:05 <Rat-Salad> gee you don't have to put it like that Longstaff
07-04-101 21:32:45 <Walter> Longstaff, I know--I'm really anxious to get it installed on my own system and try it out.  I found a number of sites using it, and some of the sites do things with it that are absolutely stunning!
07-04-101 21:33:55 <lynn> Walter, where basically can we review the product specifications and general information?
07-04-101 21:33:56 <Walter> When I put the memo out, I'll list a few of the links along with some of the things I think it would be useful for.
07-04-101 21:33:58 <Longstaff> Walter:  it sounds real useful in a warpdoctor context......and i'm sure it does things beyond what i'm imagining already that would come in handy too
07-04-101 21:34:34 <Walter> Longstaff, my conclusion exactly.
07-04-101 21:35:24 <Longstaff> as a group we're acquiring some pretty powerful capabilities :)
07-04-101 21:35:24 <Walter> lynn, just go to the URL I gave in the Agenda in Item E.
07-04-101 21:35:41 <lynn> Thanks.
07-04-101 21:36:32 <Rat-Salad> hmm fireworks outside
07-04-101 21:37:09 <Walter> Although you can get a free download, it's a little tough for most people to review it, because it can only be installed in a full-blown server with CGI capability. :-(
07-04-101 21:37:37 <Walter> We had ours on the weekend.
07-04-101 21:38:49 <Longstaff> i think they must be postopned here on account of it might rain.....it's too quiet
07-04-101 21:40:42 <Walter> The version I'm seeking approval from VOICE to get is a so-called 5-forum licence.  It costs a grand total of $149 US.
07-04-101 21:41:14 * Longstaff supports that purpose
07-04-101 21:41:38 <madodel> Walter: how about a review of Ceilidh for a future issue of the newsletter/
07-04-101 21:42:23 <Walter> The 5-forum means that the licencee has the right to setup 5 forums (i.e. discussion boards) with an unlimited number of users per board.
07-04-101 21:43:03 <Longstaff> feels about the right size
07-04-101 21:44:12 <lynn> After having visited the website I think I would appreciate a review as well.:-)
07-04-101 21:44:27 <Walter> Mark, as soon as I can get my copy of OS2Wseb successfully installed that sounds great.  Right now, that beast is fighting me so hard I almost swear it bears me a special hatred. :-(
07-04-101 21:45:11 <Longstaff> Walter:  you're having installation hassles?
07-04-101 21:45:12 <lynn> Do we not have the WSeB capability already on the WD site?
07-04-101 21:45:56 <madodel> Other then LAN Server what is so special about WSeB that is required for this?
07-04-101 21:46:02 <lynn> If I remember correctly, Jeremy was doing some work with CGI.
07-04-101 21:46:12 <Walter> Not actually.  It just doesn't work right once it's installed.
07-04-101 21:46:21 <lynn> So why not download and install it there?
07-04-101 21:46:22 <madodel> LAN Server shouldn't be required for a TCP/IP service
07-04-101 21:47:06 <madodel> We don't install new software directly to the production server
07-04-101 21:47:21 <Longstaff> Walter:  quick overview of what's not working?
07-04-101 21:47:26 <Walter> THAT's why I'm not doing it.
07-04-101 21:47:54 <lynn> We supposedly are producing a development-only version.
07-04-101 21:48:09 <Walter> It would be easier for me to type that in by email later, if that's OK.
07-04-101 21:48:23 <Hoss> Ceilidh is already tested and approved for VOICE1. I did that early on.
07-04-101 21:48:43 <Hoss> Just never did anything with it for lack of demand at the time.
07-04-101 21:48:57 <lynn> That's means it's installed?
07-04-101 21:49:23 <Hoss> It's not installed but it can be.
07-04-101 21:49:39 <lynn> But not on the production system?
07-04-101 21:49:45 <Hoss> If someone wants to take on the task of administration/setup/config.
07-04-101 21:50:05 <Walter> Hoss, the people at the recent meetings don't seems to know that. <g>
07-04-101 21:50:17 <Hoss> Ceilidh can be installed on VOICE1. It's already been tested.
07-04-101 21:51:22 <Hoss> hehe Walter, somehow I don't doubt that. ;-)
07-04-101 21:52:03 <Walter> I'm willing to take it on, but I've wanted to install it locally to give me "practice" but I can't the server installed.  Vicious circle.
07-04-101 21:52:52 <Walter> can't == can't get
07-04-101 21:53:30 <Hoss> ahh.
07-04-101 21:54:36 <Hoss> I must prepare for a long day at MaBell.
07-04-101 21:55:24 <Rat-Salad> goodnight
07-04-101 21:55:39 <Walter> There's just one last quick item: Item F.  Publishing a regular newsletter.
07-04-101 21:55:43 <Longstaff> good to see ya again Hoss
07-04-101 21:55:55 <Judy> you mean hardcopy?
07-04-101 21:55:57 <Walter> Thanks so much for coming.
07-04-101 21:56:01 <Hoss> I hope to be more active real soon.
07-04-101 21:56:11 <Judy> Hoss: take care *hugs*
07-04-101 21:56:17 <Hoss> Good to see all of you.
07-04-101 21:56:31 * Hoss blushes...  cya Judy.
07-04-101 21:56:43 <Judy> lol
07-04-101 21:57:38 <Walter> Judy, certainly not!
07-04-101 21:57:51 <Walter> eCopy.
07-04-101 21:58:48 <Judy> I think that's something that we should table until we get WD up and running
07-04-101 21:58:56 <Walter> The idea first came up in last week's meeting as an attempt to raise the WD group's profile.
07-04-101 21:59:08 <Walter> OK with me.
07-04-101 21:59:24 <Longstaff> my only comment about a regular newsletter is that's a lot of work........it might be better to wait until we have activities happening and milestones being reached on a regular basis
07-04-101 21:59:30 <Judy> we really don't have anything to put in a newsletter at this point
07-04-101 21:59:44 <Judy> agreed
07-04-101 22:00:29 <Longstaff> newsletters that don't say nuthin have a way of absorbing all the oxygen in the room when ya try to read'em :)
07-04-101 22:01:24 <Judy> and by the time they DO have content...you've written them off
07-04-101 22:01:41 <Longstaff> Judy:  exactly
07-04-101 22:02:42 <Rat-Salad> hehe can understand that
07-04-101 22:03:06 * Longstaff could name examples if i wanted to :)
07-04-101 22:03:31 <Judy> not necessary :)
07-04-101 22:04:25 <Longstaff> i'm sure we all have our "favorites"  :)
07-04-101 22:04:47 <Judy> shall we adjourn?
07-04-101 22:05:02 <Longstaff> could i make a brief announcement first?
07-04-101 22:05:12 <Judy> go for it
07-04-101 22:05:46 <Walter> Go ahead.
07-04-101 22:05:51 <Longstaff> i've just recieved an email request regarding license donation for my copy of db2
07-04-101 22:06:32 * Longstaff is pleased to announce this license is available for the use of the warpdoctor team as needed
07-04-101 22:06:41 *** gracie57 (Houston195@AC9CD4CA.ipt.aol.com) has joined #WarpDoctor [22:06:41]
07-04-101 22:06:53 <gracie57> hi:)
07-04-101 22:07:03 <Longstaff> hiya11 gracie57
07-04-101 22:07:09 <Rat-Salad> great Longstaff
07-04-101 22:07:12 <Judy> Longstaff: thanks
07-04-101 22:07:25 <Walter> Thank you very much Longstaff for your generosity!
07-04-101 22:07:29 <gracie57> whats going on
07-04-101 22:08:08 <Judy> nytol :)
07-04-101 22:08:10 *** Signoff: Judy (Time wasted: 1 hour, 43 minutes, 42 seconds) [22:08:10]
07-04-101 22:08:13 <Longstaff> you're welcome everyone ..... i had a hunch it would be needed when i decided to buy the damn thing :)
07-04-101 22:08:35 <gracie57> catch you later
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07-04-101 22:09:15 <Longstaff> Walter:  i have nothing further to add, if you'd care to move to adjourn
07-04-101 22:09:26 <lynn> second
07-04-101 22:09:44 <Walter> On that pleasant note, I move we adjourn this meeting.
07-04-101 22:09:50 <Rat-Salad> I think quiet a bit was covered tonight
07-04-101 22:09:56 <Chip> Aye
07-04-101 22:10:16 <Longstaff> we managed to get to the end of the list :)
07-04-101 22:10:27 <Walter> Jeremy, I think you're right.
07-04-101 22:10:48 <Walter> I know, and even dealt with some new business.
07-04-101 22:11:42 <Longstaff> that could be a first :)
07-04-101 22:13:33 <Walter> Well, I'm going to retire to bed a little early tonight, so if you will all excuse me.
07-04-101 22:13:46 <Rat-Salad> goodnight
07-04-101 22:13:50 <Chip> Nite
07-04-101 22:13:54 <Longstaff> hope yer feeling better Walter
07-04-101 22:14:08 <Chip> Nite all
07-04-101 22:14:14 <lynn> Nite.
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07-04-101 22:14:29 <Walter> Goodnight everyone, and so do I. :-)
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