05-30-101 20:58:07 *** Log Activated #warpdoctor (H:\INTERNET\GTIRC30\WD\#warpdoc.log) 05-30-101 20:58:16 Hello Walter 05-30-101 20:58:19 Hi everyone 05-30-101 20:58:21 hi Walter 05-30-101 20:58:21 Hi Walter 05-30-101 20:58:28 WarpedOs/2 @ 2 hrs. ( 1.5 ) 05-30-101 20:58:43 OR when we finish the agenda. 05-30-101 20:58:50 *** #WarpDoctor Mode change: +o Walter 05-30-101 20:59:00 I meant that sarcastically :-) 05-30-101 20:59:03 * Longstaff salutes Walter - my presidential candidate :) 05-30-101 20:59:26 Walter bows. :) 05-30-101 20:59:58 * Abel graciously hands the meeting mantle to Wlater. 05-30-101 21:00:08 Walter even. 05-30-101 21:00:33 ABel: you did a great job...thx :) 05-30-101 21:00:35 Chrissy just crashed 05-30-101 21:00:50 *** comment :Unknown command 05-30-101 21:01:32 *** Signoff: Chrissy (EOF From client) [21:01:32] 05-30-101 21:01:36 Who's taking the log? (besides me) :) 05-30-101 21:01:42 Sector. 05-30-101 21:02:05 We already went thru D:. I am sure sme would love to hear your commentary. 05-30-101 21:02:14 Sector, if you win the election, you may have to sign things. 05-30-101 21:02:31 Sign here: _____________________ 05-30-101 21:02:48 Quickly 05-30-101 21:02:52 Abel, no I'd rather hear what you said behind my back! 05-30-101 21:03:03 or rather, they! 05-30-101 21:03:25 hahah read the log! L) 05-30-101 21:03:38 *** Chrissy (Warpgrl@10.0.0.4) has joined #warpdoctor [21:03:38] 05-30-101 21:03:51 Some people may sorry if they hear my commentary! 05-30-101 21:03:58 Basically...I just pasted in the agenda straight from the message. 05-30-101 21:04:18 BTW, Abel, the meeting official starts at 9:00 05-30-101 21:04:33 what! 05-30-101 21:04:37 That's OK then. 05-30-101 21:04:42 ahh... the message said 8pm.... hmm.. sid I miss that part? 05-30-101 21:04:49 sid=did? 05-30-101 21:04:49 That's what it says in the calendar. 05-30-101 21:04:55 hmm 05-30-101 21:05:04 opps 05-30-101 21:05:07 that's wrong..it's always been 8 05-30-101 21:05:23 As a reminder the WarpDoctor group meets Every Wednesday at 8pm EDT (0:00 GMT) 05-30-101 21:05:26 What Calendar? 05-30-101 21:05:29 Yup, it's been 08:00pm EDT/EST (depending on time of year) 05-30-101 21:05:40 Mandie, you didn't think I'd actually be late for my execution, did you? 05-30-101 21:05:49 you sure had me wondering :) 05-30-101 21:06:03 I'd rather call it your "debut" 05-30-101 21:06:30 Mandie, when you sent me the email, I was concerned, so I went back and checked the Calendar. 05-30-101 21:06:42 There was time on your email. 05-30-101 21:06:48 ==no time 05-30-101 21:07:04 well there is time in the reminder you received :) 05-30-101 21:07:09 OK, debut! 05-30-101 21:07:12 anyway...we should move on 05-30-101 21:07:19 Silly Calendar, needs fixing 05-30-101 21:07:30 What Calendar? 05-30-101 21:07:32 Well gotta go... 05-30-101 21:07:34 Has the meeting been called to order. 05-30-101 21:07:39 Yes. 05-30-101 21:07:43 http://www.os2voice.org/calendar.html 05-30-101 21:07:54 Good, thankyou, co-host. 05-30-101 21:08:00 The current topic is Agenda Item D:/ 05-30-101 21:08:23 I was about to wrap up that. section. I pasted in all the messae content. 05-30-101 21:08:27 Abel, help me out. Where should I start? 05-30-101 21:08:45 Comments on D:/ the new guidleines. 05-30-101 21:09:24 Have you talked about the "Why"? 05-30-101 21:09:36 Yes we did. 05-30-101 21:10:26 We actually were at d: 7. I pasted it in and we were just about to move on. 05-30-101 21:11:12 So, did you get a lot of comments? 05-30-101 21:12:09 Not much disagreement. A few clarifications of word selecton and so forth. 05-30-101 21:12:40 OK, I guess the next question is: is everyone going to be good? 05-30-101 21:12:41 I am not familiar as others with Robert's Rules. So I just charged right through them. 05-30-101 21:13:18 Yes. I believe everyone here is willing to follw your lead. 05-30-101 21:13:27 I'll let them clarify that. 05-30-101 21:13:30 ;) 05-30-101 21:14:27 That's a relief. One reason I was later was the raft of questions and comments that suddenly popped up in the 05-30-101 21:14:36 WD mailing list. 05-30-101 21:16:04 Many people were getting upset that the control of meetings and discussions list were being usurped from 05-30-101 21:16:38 its rightful leader (me). (Helloooo... Lynn) 05-30-101 21:16:53 Hey, they mentioned your name, not me. :-) 05-30-101 21:17:26 Some were fed up to the point of quitting. So I had to calm ruffled feathers. 05-30-101 21:18:16 *lynn* Hello. 05-30-101 21:18:26 Does anyone here NOT know what it means for a channel to be MODERATED? 05-30-101 21:18:29 *lynn* Didn't want to get off topic in public. 05-30-101 21:19:43 Don't be afraid to admit it if you don't. I had to read the manual myself to find out. 05-30-101 21:20:22 I think most of us do 05-30-101 21:21:07 you're amoung "seasoned" ircer's :) 05-30-101 21:21:21 OK, good. 05-30-101 21:22:27 OK, let's move on and hope I don't have to use any of the more draconian aspects of the Guidelines. 05-30-101 21:22:49 That's certainly the way I would PREFER this group to operator. 05-30-101 21:22:57 operate. 05-30-101 21:23:12 phone....brb 05-30-101 21:24:19 I'm like Mark. While I appreciated his recent posting of the DB2 products on 05-30-101 21:24:50 the ML, I found it impossible to wade through the verbage. 05-30-101 21:25:37 Does everyone but be know what DB2 package is required for our project? I still have a few questions. 05-30-101 21:26:02 but == but me 05-30-101 21:27:25 Maybe we need a team to investigate that question more thoroughly and report back to the group. 05-30-101 21:28:33 At best we would like the Universal Developer's Edition. 05-30-101 21:28:55 When we go production then the WorkGroup Edition. 05-30-101 21:30:00 Is the UD one of the downloadable ones? 05-30-101 21:31:01 At the moment it should be downloadable, but isn't. 05-30-101 21:31:21 Need to ask IBM why not? That's clearly its intent. 05-30-101 21:31:51 In the meantime we are making do with less. 05-30-101 21:32:09 05-30-101 21:32:23 What was the decision in the final motion at the meeting two weeks ago? 05-30-101 21:32:59 That we would use the Universal Developers Edition for development, the WorkGroup Edition for production. 05-30-101 21:33:30 In that manner all our developers could have a free copy. 05-30-101 21:33:35 While someone's researching that, I just checked the IBM web site. You can get a trial CD UD free. That's all. 05-30-101 21:34:15 Can someone check the log from the last meeting please? 05-30-101 21:34:33 A trial package is good for 90 days only. Do you want to commit to that schedule. 05-30-101 21:34:39 ? 05-30-101 21:35:12 Lynn, I'm not playing that game. We go by what the group decided. 05-30-101 21:36:49 No game. I made the motion. It passed. 05-30-101 21:37:20 The motion was to use the developer's edition until we went into production. 05-30-101 21:37:27 Folks, we don't need the trial CD for VOICE1. I have an Enterprise subscription to IBM's Developer Connection. The Enterprise DB/2 developer version does not time out. The license is valid for as long as we are doing development, and I maintain the DevCon subscription. 05-30-101 21:38:26 That takes care of one developer. 05-30-101 21:38:36 Now how do you account for the others? 05-30-101 21:39:59 http://www.warpdoctor.org/irclogs/05-16-01.log 05-30-101 21:41:05 One developer? 05-30-101 21:41:24 Lynn, please let someone talk now. :-) 05-30-101 21:41:54 hmm 05-30-101 21:42:27 Give me a freaking break. The developer's license doesn't mentoin one eveloper. 05-30-101 21:42:49 Mark, can you tell me what your DB2 packages your subscription contains? 05-30-101 21:43:26 Abel would be abel to explain betteras he has installed it on voice1 05-30-101 21:43:49 So Abel, can you explain? 05-30-101 21:44:04 The license can be activated for multiple concurrent sessoins. Multple users and multiple instances. 05-30-101 21:44:22 On one site. 05-30-101 21:44:25 The keyword is develpoment. 05-30-101 21:44:32 development. 05-30-101 21:44:51 As far as I can see there are no limits on this Enterprise version. At least in regard to development 05-30-101 21:44:55 There are no restrictions that says one site. 05-30-101 21:45:12 You mean the one you installed on VOICE1 is only for development? 05-30-101 21:45:15 it must be develpoment and not publically availible. 05-30-101 21:45:31 What version? 05-30-101 21:45:40 7.2 05-30-101 21:46:03 it is not installed on BOICE1 yet. mark misubderstood me. 05-30-101 21:46:07 VOICE1. 05-30-101 21:46:14 IBM DB2 Enterprise Edition for OS/2 Warp 7.2 05-30-101 21:46:28 07.02.04 IIRC. 05-30-101 21:46:41 Great. Now we have two problems. 05-30-101 21:47:10 One constitutional, and one constitutional or organizational. 05-30-101 21:47:26 I'm going senile! 05-30-101 21:47:49 One constitutional, and one software or organizational. 05-30-101 21:47:52 What problems? 05-30-101 21:47:52 naah. you are not. 05-30-101 21:48:36 * Abel doesn't want to back out here but I must prepare for my paying job. 05-30-101 21:48:48 Constitutional==how do you alter or change a previous motion? I'll have to research that. 05-30-101 21:49:09 *** c :Unknown command 05-30-101 21:49:11 I didn't. I didn't install anything on VOICE1. yet. 05-30-101 21:49:15 You make a new motion which replaces the old. 05-30-101 21:49:32 It's not constitutional. 05-30-101 21:49:47 We don't have a constitution to begin with. 05-30-101 21:49:52 Those are harder to chance. 05-30-101 21:49:59 chance -> change. 05-30-101 21:50:02 software= this is something I've had on my mind for a while. 05-30-101 21:50:21 Let's stay on topic. 05-30-101 21:50:33 We need to define some kind of well-defined beta group. 05-30-101 21:50:41 I gotta go I;ll catch up on the log. and the list. 05-30-101 21:50:59 We can then legititmately have a group of developers. 05-30-101 21:52:31 Mark, would this meet the requirements for using your DB2 system? 05-30-101 21:53:26 Walter: yes 05-30-101 21:53:48 Do you see any problems? 05-30-101 21:53:58 Only practical ones. 05-30-101 21:54:00 Abel: will limit access to the defined developer group. There are no problems 05-30-101 21:55:24 That sounds about perfect to me. 05-30-101 21:56:09 If I were to run some tests of my own, is there any problem with them interfering with others peoples? 05-30-101 21:56:27 Stupid question. This is OS/2 after all. 05-30-101 21:56:49 Walter, what tests did you have in mind? 05-30-101 21:57:11 Just hypothetical. 05-30-101 21:58:01 Does anyone in the group (besides lynn) see any problems with using this approach? 05-30-101 21:58:11 Well, in just hypethetical mode you could have your own copy of the Personal Developer's Edition. That would let you do everything except design a website and program the interface. 05-30-101 21:58:41 Lynn..be quiet. :-) 05-30-101 21:58:53 Just the facts, man. 05-30-101 22:00:30 Mark, do you want to make a stab at formulating a motion? 05-30-101 22:00:46 Formulating a motion for what? 05-30-101 22:01:01 Asking for developer volunteers? 05-30-101 22:01:02 You're a little closer to the software, etc. than I am. 05-30-101 22:02:10 We may need more than one. First of all, we need one to replace/cancel Lynn's motion last meeting. 05-30-101 22:02:30 So we meed to have one to use DB2 Enterprise..... 05-30-101 22:03:24 It's just for development. 05-30-101 22:03:35 We don't need that for running the site 05-30-101 22:03:54 As Abel has said he is just testing it himself. 05-30-101 22:04:11 I don't think we want to commit to a version at this point 05-30-101 22:04:28 Let's wait and see what Abel suggests at the next meeting 05-30-101 22:04:46 The problem is, that we already have committed to a version in the last meeting. 05-30-101 22:05:50 *** LarryF (~larryf@cg321781-a.adubn1.nj.home.com) has joined #WarpDoctor [22:05:50] 05-30-101 22:06:07 Hello LarryF 05-30-101 22:06:18 Why is everyone afraid of "commiting?" 05-30-101 22:06:51 My understanding was that we were still investigating that. If IBM offers us a free enterprise license I'm not turning it down because of some motion. 05-30-101 22:07:16 I have no problem with commiting, just over comitting 05-30-101 22:07:54 In that case, we might as close this project down until IBM gives us a version of DB2! 05-30-101 22:08:18 After all, they might......in 7 years. You never know. 05-30-101 22:08:22 DB/2 is Db/2. The only difference is the licensing. We have access to the Enterprise version for development. If that bothers you I will upload the workgroup version. 05-30-101 22:09:49 *madodel* I'm not as resiliant as Lynn to abuse. It's late, I'm tired, I'm going to bed. 05-30-101 22:10:30 Let me know what you decide. I'm going to bed. 6Am comes way to early. 05-30-101 22:14:16 Well, I suppose the meeting is officially over at 10:00p. 05-30-101 22:14:18 Plan for making do with what we have, but if one is offered from IBM there's no reason to not accept it. 05-30-101 22:14:41 At some point you have to fish or cut bait. 05-30-101 22:15:40 Thanks to the chaos in the last meeting, I was prevented from getting to this point on that agenda, but one of 05-30-101 22:15:44 *** Chip has left #warpdoctor [22:15:44] 05-30-101 22:16:14 the points then was how long did we want to wait arounf for IBM? 05-30-101 22:16:26 We never got to talk about it. 05-30-101 22:16:38 *lynn* One man's chaos is another's democracy in action. 05-30-101 22:17:25 In that case, lynn, maybe WD is better off in your hands. 05-30-101 22:18:12 VOICE wont tell me much about the last two years, but I assumed that the people in WD felt that two years was 05-30-101 22:18:47 more than enough going in circles doing nothing. 05-30-101 22:19:06 *lynn* This is a private message. Intended for no other eyes than your own. 05-30-101 22:19:13 I've got a lot more productive things to do than that. 05-30-101 22:19:31 I move we adourn. 05-30-101 22:19:35 *** Log Terminated.