05-09-101 17:02:26 *** Log Activated #voice (E:\COMM\GTIRC\#voice.log) 05-09-101 17:03:18 *** Walter (walter.os2@cr709889-a.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com) has joined #voice [17:03:18] 05-09-101 17:03:31 Welcome Walter 05-09-101 17:03:36 ehlo Walter. 05-09-101 17:03:37 *** JWE (~jedwards@p31b.clorine.sentex.ca) has joined #voice [17:03:37] 05-09-101 17:03:55 hello JWE. 05-09-101 17:04:02 Sorry, I got waylaid by bandits on the way. :-) 05-09-101 17:04:23 hehe. nothing an os/2 gun can't handle ;) 05-09-101 17:08:07 Sometimes getting waylaid is no more than a short term memory loss. 05-09-101 17:08:46 * Abel understands all about that... 05-09-101 17:09:21 Well, I guess we should get started. I'm pleased to "see" such a good turn out. 05-09-101 17:10:21 Actually, my waylay was taking Warpstock way, when I should have kept going along Voice avenue. 05-09-101 17:10:31 * lmaxson would feel better if Thoughton and McCluski would show up. 05-09-101 17:11:02 Throughton. 05-09-101 17:11:13 jack. ;) 05-09-101 17:11:35 Technical question: How do you make those neat comments with the * thingee? 05-09-101 17:11:58 ***** /me comment. 05-09-101 17:12:07 without the ***** 05-09-101 17:12:27 Let's see. 05-09-101 17:12:28 Use /me or /action ie: (/me gives Sector $1,000,000.00) 05-09-101 17:13:05 * Walter My supper will now settle much better with that critical piece of information. 05-09-101 17:13:34 OK, now tell me how to get rid of my name. 05-09-101 17:13:50 Then it is your turn to supply a critical piece of information. 05-09-101 17:13:59 (just on the line, you understand.) 05-09-101 17:14:44 I don'th think that part of the line will go away Walter. 05-09-101 17:15:05 * Abel oesn't use GTIRC so isn't sure. 05-09-101 17:15:10 * Walter Let's see if my supper will settle now. 05-09-101 17:15:16 No dice. 05-09-101 17:15:54 Why the quest for anonymity? 05-09-101 17:16:27 It does seem to be stubborn. I just think those comments look "cool" that's all. 05-09-101 17:16:59 * lmaxson says Sector is cool for a high desert rat. 05-09-101 17:17:36 He means in his client window....// * Walter LEt's see if my supper will settle now. * // he probably sees some simliar .... 05-09-101 17:17:45 Any, thanks for your help. I'll continue experimenting on my own time. We should probably try again to get the meeting started. 05-09-101 17:18:01 anyways feel free to practice at will Walter. 05-09-101 17:18:24 * lmaxson comes to order. 05-09-101 17:18:49 * Abel orders a better typist for his console. 05-09-101 17:19:28 I've drafted an agenda, but I look at this first meeting as primarily a get-to-know each other meeting as well, so I'm not going to worry about the agenda too much. 05-09-101 17:20:44 Maybe we can get to know each other through the agenda. 05-09-101 17:21:14 I'm interested in your thoughts on content. 05-09-101 17:21:51 I don't want to infringe on those who wish to lurk or remain anonymous, but since my associative memory bank fried, it would help me a lot if those who wish to enter the discussion would give your actual name or first name, especially if your chat 05-09-101 17:22:07 name is somewhat obscure. 05-09-101 17:22:17 Lynn. 05-09-101 17:22:26 Walter 05-09-101 17:22:43 <--- as is. Ready and Willing. 05-09-101 17:22:56 *** lmaxson is now known as Lynn 05-09-101 17:23:48 Sorry I'm late. 05-09-101 17:23:57 Mark. 05-09-101 17:24:02 ah there's mark. 05-09-101 17:24:34 Hello madodel 05-09-101 17:24:52 Sector--> Andrew. 05-09-101 17:25:44 BTW, this is Agenda Item 1. Identification. 05-09-101 17:26:06 See, Progress already! 05-09-101 17:26:06 As a suggestion, if we have an agenda, in the future we might want to post it on the warpdoctor.org website for people to view. 05-09-101 17:26:38 Thanks Mark, I'll certainly remember that. 05-09-101 17:27:17 It's just nice to have some organization now. :-) 05-09-101 17:28:37 Feel free to jump with your name later any time you like. 05-09-101 17:29:31 Let's try agenda item 2. 05-09-101 17:30:34 Lynn, you brought up a point I'd like to deal with first, if it's OK with everyone. 05-09-101 17:31:18 You lead. I'll follow. 05-09-101 17:31:59 I'd like to a BRIEF sentence from some of you at least about what you like to do, and what you think you do best. 05-09-101 17:32:42 You probably know probably all there is know about each other, but I'm not so fortunate. 05-09-101 17:33:27 I have offered to do the DB2 support. 05-09-101 17:33:37 Since my-ahem-break with About I've gotten to some of you fairly well, others I hardly know at all. 05-09-101 17:33:58 I will also volunteer for document conversion. 05-09-101 17:34:13 * os2r is a former "cover boy" for OS2 Professional magazine (dec 93) 05-09-101 17:34:54 <- Mark Dodel, Editor VOICE Newsletter. Written/edited a few articles. No PC programming experience, but have done mainframe programming for about 15 years. 05-09-101 17:35:03 Lynn, what did you do while you were at IBM? 05-09-101 17:35:40 Senior Systems Engineer--database, data communications (CICS), and application development. 05-09-101 17:36:18 Good--then obviously you're the person for database work. 05-09-101 17:36:53 * Lynn is ready, sir. 05-09-101 17:37:13 Now all we need is a database. 05-09-101 17:37:17 Mark--and a very fine editor you are. (Mark is my new editor-hehe.) 05-09-101 17:37:17 I am the "make-it-work figure out why it's broke guy." the sysadmin for VOICE1 ( the server) and for a few more days secretary for VOICE. 05-09-101 17:37:44 Thanks, Abel. 05-09-101 17:37:59 I have a varied background mostly in Telecom, C++ ... 05-09-101 17:38:34 We're really fortunate to have such a great group of people. 05-09-101 17:38:50 Andrew--what about you? 05-09-101 17:39:09 You know from the responses on the WD mailing list that we are just the tip of the iceberg. 05-09-101 17:39:15 * Sector is nobody 05-09-101 17:39:42 We are not short on volunteer resources or on experience. 05-09-101 17:39:53 I just *knew* someone was going to say that! 05-09-101 17:40:56 Agenda Item 2 Purpose of this Meeting 05-09-101 17:42:12 First leadership, then direction. 05-09-101 17:42:15 Under this head, I'm looking to the group for suggestions as to what you would like to see accomplished this evening. 05-09-101 17:42:40 Could you explain that, Lynn? 05-09-101 17:43:25 Mark talks of organization. I think more in terms of leadership. 05-09-101 17:43:38 We have the people. 05-09-101 17:44:36 I view WD as an information portal. 05-09-101 17:45:22 That means content and presentation to make it a first choice of an OS/2 user. 05-09-101 17:46:40 05-09-101 17:46:55 Walter : This project has had it's ups and downs... for varied reasons(irrevelant in this meeting). I look to this meeting to accomplish one thing.. some sort of "direction" for the groups talents... and a feel for what we need to be looking @1st. 05-09-101 17:47:03 Do any of you think we need officers of any kind? 05-09-101 17:47:23 Officers--- 05-09-101 17:47:41 no, but someone should be responsible for logging these meetings 05-09-101 17:47:55 Logs should be posted to the web site 05-09-101 17:48:16 Mark, so we need a secretary. Good. 05-09-101 17:48:43 * Sector notes it's being logged 05-09-101 17:48:52 Will we be buying equipment? Do we need a treasurer? 05-09-101 17:49:04 * Lynn notes that Abel will post it. 05-09-101 17:49:35 The web space is provided by VOICE 05-09-101 17:49:40 Only if WD becomes independent of VOICE. 05-09-101 17:50:06 I have contacted IBM to ask for a donation of a DB2 Workgroup license. 05-09-101 17:50:14 I will post it, if somene sends it to me. 05-09-101 17:50:42 What is the relationship between Warpstock and Voice? 05-09-101 17:50:58 Warpstock or Warp Doctor? 05-09-101 17:51:16 VOICE owns the Warp Doctor domain 05-09-101 17:51:33 Abel, what do mean, "I will post it, if someone..." I'm just trying to clarify what I'm seeing on my screen. 05-09-101 17:51:39 Warp Doctor is a primary project of VOICE 05-09-101 17:51:53 Abel will post the meeting log to the website if someone sends it to him 05-09-101 17:52:09 Mark, I meant Warpstock. 05-09-101 17:52:14 I will post the log to the website. (if someone sends me the log.) 05-09-101 17:52:41 Abel, thanks. 05-09-101 17:52:56 VOICE supports Warpstock. Warpstock has asked VOICE to host their website on our server. 05-09-101 17:53:08 Sector will send the log. 05-09-101 17:53:18 There is no direct relationship between the two organizations 05-09-101 17:53:32 But, Warpstock is not a "project" of VOICE? 05-09-101 17:53:45 Support of Warpstock is a VOICE project 05-09-101 17:53:59 But Warpstock is an independent organization 05-09-101 17:54:16 Incorporated. 05-09-101 17:54:22 Waprstock, Inc is independent of VOICE. 05-09-101 17:54:29 Thank you. 05-09-101 17:54:44 We do have to work on that typing. 05-09-101 17:56:06 Warpstock and VOICE are cooperating to produce a "Registration System" for the festival in October. 05-09-101 17:56:20 OK, you just said Warpstock is a VOICE project. But WarpDoctor is also a project of VOICE. What is the difference between the two relationships? 05-09-101 17:56:44 VOICE maintains a close association with WarpStock. WarpStock is not a VOICE project. 05-09-101 17:56:57 WarpDoctor is _ wholly supported, funded, sponsored by VOICE. 05-09-101 17:57:21 VOICE owns Warp Doctor. Warp Doctor is a web site. Warpstock is an independent corporation which puts on a yearly OS/2 conference. 05-09-101 17:58:07 I think the confusion lies in considering support as a project earlier. 05-09-101 17:58:17 So WarpDoctor has no independent existence outside of VOICE? Right? 05-09-101 17:58:25 Right. 05-09-101 17:59:00 VOICE has supported Warpstock every year since it's inception with monetary contributions, publicity, registering a table in the vendor area. 05-09-101 17:59:25 The support of Warpstock has been a VOICE project. That is all. 05-09-101 17:59:27 That would mean that any monies spent by WarpDoctor would be, in effect, monies spent by VOICE? Right? 05-09-101 17:59:35 correct 05-09-101 17:59:37 Right. 05-09-101 18:00:08 *** mandie (judymcd@user80.net017.fl.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #voice [18:00:08] 05-09-101 18:00:12 OK, now I think I've got it. Thank you all for your patience. 05-09-101 18:00:16 mandie­­­­ 05-09-101 18:00:16 sorry I'm late..router problems :( 05-09-101 18:00:20 *** #voice Mode change: +o mandie by Sector 05-09-101 18:00:22 Sector!! :) 05-09-101 18:00:42 oh, g'evening all :) 05-09-101 18:00:48 Hi. 05-09-101 18:00:50 hi Lynn 05-09-101 18:00:56 Hi! 05-09-101 18:00:57 *** mandie is now known as Judy 05-09-101 18:01:02 Walter!! hiya :) 05-09-101 18:01:06 Hi Judy!!!! 05-09-101 18:01:33 it seems that the reminder helped :) 05-09-101 18:01:58 Ummm, well my presence had nothing to do with that... (A forced schedule change at work did) 05-09-101 18:02:13 ahh 05-09-101 18:02:39 Sector: did you log? 05-09-101 18:03:00 It might be good, Walter, for an agenda to accompany the reminder. 05-09-101 18:03:00 Take a guess 05-09-101 18:03:05 OK, we've established that we need a secretary--someone to make sure the meeting is logged. 05-09-101 18:03:32 OK, Lynn, will do. :-) 05-09-101 18:03:40 Why develop an not an automated tool to do that for us? 05-09-101 18:03:45 Lynn: sign here ________________ :) 05-09-101 18:03:54 why not develop. // oops. 05-09-101 18:04:30 *** os2r has left #voice [18:04:30] 05-09-101 18:04:33 If Walter assumes the leadership, then he should set the agenda. No one has a problem with that. 05-09-101 18:04:49 if there is a secretary, then that person could be responsible for sending out the reminder and the agenda 05-09-101 18:04:55 I think we also need a person to lean on people to get them to do things. I nominate Judy. 05-09-101 18:05:04 now I can add the agenda to the "WarpDocReminder" script.../ it's easy as FTP.... 05-09-101 18:05:04 The reminder is automated 05-09-101 18:05:21 Sector: yes, as of 2 days ago...that can easily be changed 05-09-101 18:05:34 No need to change what works 05-09-101 18:05:36 Abel: that consumes more of your time 05-09-101 18:05:53 Does the reminder go to more than the WD mailing list? 05-09-101 18:05:55 I can "allow a certain person" to set the agenda into the "WarpDocReminder" 05-09-101 18:06:00 that would mean that you need to add to the automated script each week 05-09-101 18:06:13 no the "content " is a text file. 05-09-101 18:06:17 Abel, what do you want from me? 05-09-101 18:06:37 Could auto include a text file that someone else could send along to the server. 05-09-101 18:06:49 Exactly Sector. 05-09-101 18:06:59 ok, that's clear now 05-09-101 18:07:35 Walter has a question to Abel pending. 05-09-101 18:08:08 Walter : I will send you the details of "how the remonder feature works..." all we need is a text file uploaded to a certain directory... and it's done. 05-09-101 18:08:23 OK. 05-09-101 18:08:45 the "script" goes off every tuesday at 12pm... 05-09-101 18:09:16 can you setup a reminder to Walter to upload his agenda to the server 05-09-101 18:09:28 We would need to make sure the text file is updated with the agenda for the next meeting or it would send out the old one... 05-09-101 18:09:30 we need to keep his load light :) 05-09-101 18:09:34 I was looking back to see... 05-09-101 18:09:50 _if_ walter requests it .. as a matter of fact I can. 05-09-101 18:09:56 ;) 05-09-101 18:10:15 I know you can! You are very capable :) 05-09-101 18:12:47 * Abel is all for lightening my load!! 05-09-101 18:12:57 Abel, How hard would it be for you to send me an email, and have me send you the new agenda as a reply to the message? 05-09-101 18:13:41 may I speak? 05-09-101 18:13:52 Be my guest! 05-09-101 18:14:12 *if* there is going to be a secretary..couldn't they take on this task 05-09-101 18:14:24 Let me work on the details Walter... we can work up something. 05-09-101 18:15:04 Thanks, Abel. BTW, did someone agree to make sure the discussions were logged? 05-09-101 18:15:05 * Judy doesn't want to see Abel overloaded with scattered things to do/remember...we'll save him for the BIG chores :) 05-09-101 18:15:11 suits me.... I can add usernames for ftp and mail.. whatever is needed... 05-09-101 18:15:39 proper "directory permissions" and so forth.. 05-09-101 18:17:19 The more automation and things of that nature we do for WD and "Document Properly" we also at the same time add value to WD. 05-09-101 18:17:26 I checked my log, and apparently no-one has volunteered to log these discussions. 05-09-101 18:18:03 Sector is logging. 05-09-101 18:18:24 Sector: can we count on you to be the "logger"? 05-09-101 18:18:32 I stand corrected. 05-09-101 18:18:49 Who me¨ 05-09-101 18:19:00 sign here: ____________ plz :) 05-09-101 18:19:12 * Sector makes a habit of not signing things 05-09-101 18:19:32 can we count on you to make a habit of logging? 05-09-101 18:19:40 Must make it difficult to pay by check. 05-09-101 18:19:44 *** gorwell (mukherj@ppphost5.space.swri.edu) has joined #voice [18:19:44] 05-09-101 18:19:48 Mark, do we need to actually elect a secretary? How formal should we be in this "forum"? 05-09-101 18:19:52 Welcome gorwell 05-09-101 18:20:06 Welcome, gorwell 05-09-101 18:20:10 hi all! 05-09-101 18:20:14 Secretary-- 05-09-101 18:20:16 i have a big favor to ask! 05-09-101 18:20:47 can someone who is running warp 4 send me the tcpipdll.dll file from mptn\dll? 05-09-101 18:20:58 Walter: no we don't need to elect someone. just ask someone at the beginning of each meeting 05-09-101 18:21:00 i have one, but it doesn't work with ifconfig. 05-09-101 18:22:17 Np--I'll just build it into each agenda. 05-09-101 18:22:32 my router is messed up...bbl 05-09-101 18:22:32 gorwell: we are having a Warp Doctor meeting. please ask in #OS/2 05-09-101 18:22:39 *** Signoff: Judy (Leaving) [18:22:39] 05-09-101 18:23:07 I guess we can move on. 05-09-101 18:23:31 Agenda Item 3. 05-09-101 18:23:58 Database & Acquisition 05-09-101 18:24:20 *** gorwell0 (mukherj@ppphost2.space.swri.edu) has joined #voice [18:24:20] 05-09-101 18:24:23 One thing I know is this.. There isn't any reason we can't do these lil chores "automagically" so noone has to spend time on these "mundane" jobs. 05-09-101 18:24:38 aggh, got disconnected! 05-09-101 18:24:40 *** gorwell has left #voice [18:24:40] 05-09-101 18:24:47 gorwell: we are having a Warp Doctor meeting. please ask in #OS/2 05-09-101 18:25:01 he left to do just that. 05-09-101 18:25:15 What chores, Abel? 05-09-101 18:25:27 i did, and someone recommended to ask in here since there were more people. 05-09-101 18:26:02 like the log... and the posting to the website. 05-09-101 18:26:10 But now that people are aware of it more have moved to #OS/2 05-09-101 18:28:00 Database and acquisition. 05-09-101 18:28:05 The right person could, I suppose. But I have to use the tools available to me in this environment. 05-09-101 18:29:15 Who mentioned contacting IBM about donating a DB2 package? 05-09-101 18:29:22 oh I understand Walter. 05-09-101 18:29:26 Mark. 05-09-101 18:29:59 Mark, could you repeat your statement please? 05-09-101 18:30:22 I have contacted IBM to ask for a donation of a DB2 Workgroup license. 05-09-101 18:31:11 The database is DB2. The acquisition is pending. 05-09-101 18:31:14 Does that include the binary code as well? 05-09-101 18:31:21 Specifically I have emailed Brad Barclay, who works for IBM Toronto labs. He replied he will ask around. That was a couple days ago. 05-09-101 18:31:33 I will followup in a couple days. 05-09-101 18:31:48 binary code? 05-09-101 18:31:54 If he gets as much as a license, we can download the binary from the IBM site. 05-09-101 18:32:01 There is a copy of DB2 (Developer Personal Edition) on the server. It is not yet installed. 05-09-101 18:32:04 DB2 is a free download 05-09-101 18:32:21 It's the license we need to use it in a production environment 05-09-101 18:32:45 A free download, but you can't use it without a licence? 05-09-101 18:33:01 You can use it for development purposes only. 05-09-101 18:33:05 I also have DB2 on the DevCon distribution. Also a new version of DB2 was just announced 05-09-101 18:33:18 It is free for development only 05-09-101 18:33:23 OK, now I understand. 05-09-101 18:34:33 What do you think is the likelihood of getting the licence? 05-09-101 18:34:33 Are we not sometime away before we need to install the database? 05-09-101 18:34:43 DB2 7.2 announced - http://www.ibm.com/news/2001/05/082.phtml 05-09-101 18:35:11 Brad thought we had a good project. 05-09-101 18:35:16 7.2 announced the storage and retrieval of xml documents. 05-09-101 18:35:18 *** gorwell0 has left #voice [18:35:18] 05-09-101 18:36:36 We may have a good project, but so might others. IBM cannot discriminate. 05-09-101 18:37:10 Really?! 05-09-101 18:37:17 Anyone interested in an IBM DB2 course, there is a downloadable one at http://www-4.ibm.com/software/data/db2/skills/ I think it requires windoze though 05-09-101 18:37:23 IBM does not discriminate. 05-09-101 18:37:51 We may be a bit away from installing the database, however it will be needed so the Acquisitoin of the DB needs to be addressed. 05-09-101 18:38:23 It's not a case of discrimination. IBM personnel have donated licenses to VOICE in the past. 05-09-101 18:38:31 Thank you Abel. 05-09-101 18:38:32 They have some discretion 05-09-101 18:39:11 Nope. 05-09-101 18:39:46 We may not have to install the database next week, but we should decide fairly soon which DBMS we want to use. 05-09-101 18:39:55 DB2. 05-09-101 18:40:14 Otherwise we will be aiming at a constantly changing target. 05-09-101 18:40:40 I don't think there is an argument on this point. 05-09-101 18:40:56 The other options are MySQL and Oracle. 05-09-101 18:41:18 It has to run on OS/2. Oracle has not been supported on OS/2 in years 05-09-101 18:41:29 DB2 would be my choice. 05-09-101 18:41:29 My point exactly. 05-09-101 18:41:42 Does anyone have differing views as to the best DB2? Now's the time. 05-09-101 18:42:08 DB2 s/b DBMS :-) 05-09-101 18:42:28 Aye. 05-09-101 18:45:06 I guess I'll take this deafening silence as assent that DB2 is the best DBMS, and move on. 05-09-101 18:45:42 ;) 05-09-101 18:45:49 There isn't anything better then DB2 in the PC world 05-09-101 18:46:11 Or any other. 05-09-101 18:47:02 yep. 05-09-101 18:48:30 We've come to Agenda Item 4 that deals with DOCUMENTS. However, this is a fairly involved item, and it's already 9:48pm EDT. 05-09-101 18:49:29 I suggest that we adjourn (or whatever it's called) until the regular meeting next week. 05-09-101 18:49:46 I suggest that you present it for preview in the mailing list. 05-09-101 18:49:50 What does the group think? 05-09-101 18:50:21 I second Walter's suggestion 05-09-101 18:50:41 I agree. We have done quite a bit for one night. 05-09-101 18:50:52 :-) 05-09-101 18:51:14 Do we need to make it a motion first? I'm unsure how formal we need to be in a chatroom. :-) 05-09-101 18:51:27 Walter, d you use OS/2 as your "primary OS"? 05-09-101 18:51:49 Yes. 05-09-101 18:51:54 Nothing formal required. 05-09-101 18:52:32 See you next week. 05-09-101 18:52:43 *** Lynn has left #voice [18:52:43] 05-09-101 18:52:48 Walter, thank you. that will help me in setting up the WarpDocReminder thing we talked about. 05-09-101 18:52:57 OK--thank you all for coming. I hope to see everyone-and more- back next week. 05-09-101 18:53:32 Walter : Thank you for your time and effort. 05-09-101 18:53:37 Guess I'll find out if this stupid DB2 course works under OS/2, tomorrow. Good night all. Thank you for coming 05-09-101 18:54:03 Good night! 05-09-101 18:54:09 *** Walter has left #voice [18:54:09] 05-09-101 18:54:18 *** JWE has left #voice [18:54:18] 05-09-101 18:58:32 the SW prerequisites say Win 95/98/NT required. 05-09-101 18:58:56 Of course... 05-09-101 18:59:01 Time for my reserarch. Ya'll have fun. 05-09-101 18:59:12 research even... 05-09-101 18:59:18 But it says that just Netscape 4.07 is a pre-req. Perhaps it is just HTML inside a stupid winzip executable 05-09-101 18:59:39 perhaps... 05-09-101 18:59:45 lemm know what ya find out. 05-09-101 18:59:47 Goodnight Abel 05-09-101 19:00:20 That's what it is. Assholes 05-09-101 19:00:39 Don't windoze weenies know what a ZIP file is? 05-09-101 19:01:28 There are some exe in there, but most is just HTML 05-09-101 19:03:03 there are hootmedia MVR files as well. I guess that is wintrash only 05-09-101 19:03:34 hotmedia that is. Though hootmedia may be more appropriate 05-09-101 19:08:27 *** Log Terminated.